Cure of Greek Maladies 0.1–1.60
Greek text: Raeder.English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Prologue 1
0.1Raeder, 1
Πολλάκις μοι τῶν τῆς Ἑλληνικῆς μυθολογίας ἐξηρτη- Ῥ μένων ξυντετυχηκότες τινὲς τήν τε πίστιν ἐκωμῴδησαν τὴν ἡμετέραν, οὐδὲν ἄλλο λέγοντες ἡμᾶς τοῖς τὰ θεῖα παρ᾽ ἡμῶν παιδευομένοις ἢ τὸ πιστεύειν παρεγγυᾶν, καὶ τῆς τῶν ἀποστόλων κατηγόρουν ἀπαιδευσίας, βαρβάρους ἀποχαλοῦντερ, τὸ γλαφυρὸν τῆς εὐεπείας οὐκ ἔχοντας" καὶ τὸ γεραίρειν δὲ τοὺς μάρτυρας καταγέλαστον ἔφασκον, καὶ λίαν ἀνόητον τὸ πειρᾶσθαι τοὺς ζῶντας παρὰ τῶν τεθνεώτων. ὠφέλειαν πορίζεσθαι" προσετίθεσαν δὲ καὶ ἕτερα ἄττα παραπλήσια τούτοις, ἃ διδάξει τὸ ξύγγραμμα.
Pollakis moi tōn tēs Hellēnikēs mythologias exērtē- Rh menōn xyntetychēkotes tines tēn te pistin ekōmǭdēsan tēn hēmeteran, ouden allo legontes hēmas tois ta theia par᾽ hēmōn paideuomenois ē to pisteuein parengyan, kai tēs tōn apostolōn katēgoroun apaideusias, barbarous apochalounter, to glaphyron tēs euepeias ouk echontas" kai to gerairein de tous martyras katagelaston ephaskon, kai lian anoēton to peirasthai tous zōntas para tōn tethneōtōn. ōpheleian porizesthai" prosetithesan de kai hetera atta paraplēsia toutois, ha didaxei to xyngramma.
Several people attached to Greek mythology have often met me and mocked our faith, saying that we enjoin nothing on those whom we instruct in divine things except to believe; they accused the apostles of lack of education, calling them barbarians who lack the polish of fine speech; they said that honoring the martyrs was laughable, and that it was quite senseless for the living to try to obtain help from the dead. They added other things of the same kind, which the book will show.
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Summary: Theodoret explains that pagans have mocked Christian faith, the unlettered apostles, and the honoring of martyrs.
Topics: Martyrdom
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.1 (Raeder, 1; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.2Raeder, 1
ἐγὼ δὲ πρὸς μὲν ἐκείνους ὅπερ ἐχρῆν διεξῆλθον, τὰ κατηγορήματα διαλύων" ἀνόσιον δὲ ὠήθην καὶ δυσσεβὲς παριδεῖν τοὺς ἁπλοῖς ἤθεσι. μεχγρημένους ὑπ᾽ ἐκείνων ἀπατωμένους καὶ. μὴ ξυγγρόψαιν καὶ διελέγξαι τῶν κατνηγορημάτων τὸ μάταιον.
egō de pros men ekeinous hoper echrēn diexēlthon, ta katēgorēmata dialyōn" anosion de ōēthēn kai dyssebes paridein tous haplois ēthesi. mechgrēmenous hyp᾽ ekeinōn apatōmenous kai. mē xyngropsain kai dielenxai tōn katnēgorēmatōn to mataion.
To them I gave the reply that was needed, refuting their charges. But I thought it unholy and impious to overlook people of simple character who mix with them and are deceived by them, and not to write a work exposing the emptiness of the charges.
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Summary: He writes for simple believers who are being misled by these charges.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.2 (Raeder, 1; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.3Raeder, 1
καὶ διεῖλον. μὲν εἰς δυοκαίδεκα διαλέξεις τὴν πραγματείαν, τὸν ἀνειμένον δὲ χαρακτῆρα τοῖς λόγοις ἐντέθεικα᾽ τῇ διδασκαλίᾳ γὰρ εἶναι. τοῦτον ὑπείληφα πρόσφορον, ἄλλως τε καὶ ταῖς Πλάτωνὸς καὶ τῶν ἄλλων φιλοσύφων χρώμενον μαρτυρίαις ἔδεν καὶ τοὺς λόγους μὴ παντάπασιν ἀπῴδοντας ξυναρμύσαι, ἀλλ᾽ ἔχοντάς τινα πρὸς ἐκείνας ἐμφέρειαν.
kai dieilon. men eis dyokaideka dialexeis tēn pragmateian, ton aneimenon de charaktēra tois logois entetheika᾽ tę̄ didaskalią gar einai. touton hypeilēpha prosphoron, allōs te kai tais Platōnos kai tōn allōn philosyphōn chrōmenon martyriais eden kai tous logous mē pantapasin apǭdontas xynarmysai, all᾽ echontas tina pros ekeinas emphereian.
I have divided the treatise into twelve discourses, and I have given the discourses a relaxed style; for I judged that this suits teaching, especially since I use the testimonies of Plato and the other philosophers and had to make my own words fit with them, not wholly out of tune but bearing some likeness to them.
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Summary: The work has twelve discourses in a plain teaching style suited to the philosophical testimonies it quotes.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.3 (Raeder, 1; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.4Raeder, 2
ἙἩἭἩ δὲ πρώτη διάλεξις τὴν ὑπὲρ τῆς πίστεως καὶ τῆς τῶν ἀποστόλων ἀπαιδευσίας ἀπολογίαν ποιεῖται, ἐκ τῶν Ἑλληνικῶν φιλοσόφων τὰς ἀποδείξεις προσφέρουσα.
HeĒĒĒ de prōtē dialexis tēn hyper tēs pisteōs kai tēs tōn apostolōn apaideusias apologian poieitai, ek tōn Hellēnikōn philosophōn tas apodeixeis prospherousa.
The first discourse makes the defense of faith and of the apostles' lack of education, bringing its proofs from the Greek philosophers.
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Summary: The first discourse defends faith and the unlettered apostles.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.4 (Raeder, 2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.5Raeder, 2
Ἡ δὲ δευτέρα τῶν παρ᾽ Ἕλλησιν ὀνομαστοτάτων σοφῶν καὶ τῶν μετ᾽ ἐκείνους φιλοσόφων ἐπικληθέντων τὰς περὶ τῆς τῶν ὕλων ἀρχῆς ἀπαριθμεῖται δόξας" καὶ Μωῦσοῦ τοῦ πάντῶν ἐκείνων πρεσβυτάτου τὴν ἀληθῆ θεολογίαν ἔκ παραλλήλου τιθεῖσα, τὴν μὲν ἐκείνων διελέγχει ψευδολογίαν, τῆς δὲ τούτου διδασκαλίας ἀστράπτουσαν δείκνυσι τὴν ἀλήθειαν.
Hē de deutera tōn par᾽ Hellēsin onomastotatōn sophōn kai tōn met᾽ ekeinous philosophōn epiklēthentōn tas peri tēs tōn hylōn archēs aparithmeitai doxas" kai Mōysou tou pantōn ekeinōn presbytatou tēn alēthē theologian ek parallēlou titheisa, tēn men ekeinōn dielenchei pseudologian, tēs de toutou didaskalias astraptousan deiknysi tēn alētheian.
The second lists the opinions on the first principle of the universe held by the most renowned sages among the Greeks and by those after them called philosophers; and setting beside them the true theology of Moses, the oldest of them all, it refutes their false talk and shows the shining truth of his teaching.
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Summary: The second discourse sets Greek views of the first principle against Moses' theology.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.5 (Raeder, 2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.6Raeder, 2
ἭἩ δὲ τρίτη διδάσκει, τίνα μὲν περὶ τῶν δευτέρων παρ᾽ “Ἕλλησι καλουμένων θεῶν παρ᾽ ἐκείνοις μεμυθολόγηται, τίνα δὲ περὶ τῶν ἀσωμάτων, κτιστῶν δὲ φύσεων ἡμᾶς ἡ θεία διδάσπει γραφή, ὥστε πάλιν τῇ παρεξετάσει καὶ τῶν παρ᾽ ἡμῖν θρησκευομένων δειχθῆναι τὸ ἀξιέπαινον καὶ τῶν μυσαρῶν ἐκείνων μύθων τὸ δυσειδὲς καὶ δυσῶδες διελεγχθῆναι.
HēĒ de tritē didaskei, tina men peri tōn deuterōn par᾽ “Hellēsi kaloumenōn theōn par᾽ ekeinois memythologētai, tina de peri tōn asōmatōn, ktistōn de physeōn hēmas hē theia didaspei graphē, hōste palin tę̄ parexetasei kai tōn par᾽ hēmin thrēskeuomenōn deichthēnai to axiepainon kai tōn mysarōn ekeinōn mythōn to dyseides kai dysōdes dielenchthēnai.
The third teaches what myths the Greeks told about those they call secondary gods, and what the divine Scripture teaches us about the bodiless but created natures, so that by the comparison the praiseworthiness of what we honor may again be shown and the ugliness and foulness of those loathsome myths exposed.
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Summary: The third discourse compares pagan lesser gods with the angels of Scripture.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.6 (Raeder, 2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.7Raeder, 2
ὭἩ δὲ τετάρτη περὶ τῆς ὕλης καὶ τοῦ χόσμου τὴν ὑπόθεσιν ἔχει καὶ δείκνυσι τὴν ἡμετέραν κοσμογένειαν πολλῷ τῆς Πλάτωνος καὶ τῶν ἄλλων πρεπωδεστέραν.
HōĒ de tetartē peri tēs hylēs kai tou chosmou tēn hypothesin echei kai deiknysi tēn hēmeteran kosmogeneian pollǭ tēs Platōnos kai tōn allōn prepōdesteran.
The fourth takes as its subject matter and the world, and shows that our account of the world's origin is far more fitting than that of Plato and the others.
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Summary: The fourth discourse treats matter and the world's origin.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.7 (Raeder, 2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.8Raeder, 2
Περὶ δὲ τῆς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου φύσεως ἡ πέμπτη δέδεκται τὸν ἀγῶνα, καὶ τὰς “Ἑλληνικὰς δόξας καὶ τὰς Χριστιανικὰς ἐπιδειινῦσα καὶ ὅσον φωτὸς καὶ σκότους διδάσκουσα τὸ διάφορον.
Peri de tēs tou anthrōpou physeōs hē pemptē dedektai ton agōna, kai tas “Hellēnikas doxas kai tas Christianikas epideiinysa kai hoson phōtos kai skotous didaskousa to diaphoron.
The fifth has taken up the contest about the nature of the human being, setting out both the Greek opinions and the Christian ones and teaching that they differ as light from darkness.
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Summary: The fifth discourse treats human nature.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.8 (Raeder, 2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.9Raeder, 2
Τὴν ἕκτην δὲ τάξιν ὃ περὶ τῆς προνοίας ἔλαχε λόγος. ἔδει γὰρ τοῖς περὶ Θεοῦ καὶ τοῖς ὑπὸ Θεοῦ γεγενημένοις τοῦτον ἀκολουθῆσαι τὸν λόγον, διελέγχοντα ΖΔιαγόρου μὲν τὸ ἄθεον, ᾿Επικούρου δὲ τὸ βλάσφημον, τῆς Ἀριστοτέλους δὲ προνοίας τὸ σμιπρολόγον, ἐπαινοῦντα δὲ Πλάτωνος καὶ Πλωτίνου καὶ τῶν ἄλλων, ὅσοι τούτων εἰσὶν ὁμογνώμονες, τὰ περὶ τῆς προνοίας διδάγματα᾽ καὶ φυσικοῖς δὲ λογισμοῖς ἐπιδείκνυσι ταύτην ἔν τῇ κτίσει θεωρουμένην καὶ ἐν ἑκάστῳ τῶν θεόθεν γινομένων προφαινομένην.
Tēn hektēn de taxin ho peri tēs pronoias elache logos. edei gar tois peri Theou kai tois hypo Theou gegenēmenois touton akolouthēsai ton logon, dielenchonta ZDiagorou men to atheon, ᾿Epikourou de to blasphēmon, tēs Aristotelous de pronoias to smiprologon, epainounta de Platōnos kai Plōtinou kai tōn allōn, hosoi toutōn eisin homognōmones, ta peri tēs pronoias didagmata᾽ kai physikois de logismois epideiknysi tautēn en tę̄ ktisei theōroumenēn kai en hekastǭ tōn theothen ginomenōn prophainomenēn.
The discourse on providence has received the sixth place. For this discourse had to follow those about God and about the things made by God. It refutes the atheism of Diagoras, the blasphemy of Epicurus, and the pettiness of Aristotle's providence, and praises the teachings on providence of Plato, Plotinus, and the others who agree with them; and by arguments from nature it shows that providence is seen in creation and appears in each of the things that come from God.
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Summary: The sixth discourse treats providence against Diagoras, Epicurus, and Aristotle.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.9 (Raeder, 2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.10Raeder, 3
Ἐπειδὴ δὲ καὶ τῶν θυσιῶν ἔδει δεῖξαι τὸ περιττόν, ἡ ἑβδόμη διάλεξις τοῦτον περιέχει τὸν λόγον, φιλοσόφοις μὲν λόγοις τῶν θυσιῶν τῶν Ἑλληνικῶν κατηγοροῦσα, προφητικοῖς δὲ τὸ νηπιῶδες τῆς Ιουδαίων νομοθεσίας ἐπιδειπνῦσα.
Epeidē de kai tōn thysiōn edei deixai to peritton, hē hebdomē dialexis touton periechei ton logon, philosophois men logois tōn thysiōn tōn Hellēnikōn katēgorousa, prophētikois de to nēpiōdes tēs Ioudaiōn nomothesias epideipnysa.
Since it was also necessary to show that sacrifices are superfluous, the seventh discourse contains this argument, accusing the Greek sacrifices with the arguments of philosophers and showing the childish character of the Jewish legislation with the words of the prophets.
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Summary: The seventh discourse treats sacrifices, Greek and Jewish.
- Theodoret's description of the Mosaic law as 'childish' (fit for an early stage) is his own view, developed in Discourse 7.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.10 (Raeder, 3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.11Raeder, 3
Τὴν δὲ κατὰ τῶν τοὺς νιπηφόρους μάρτυρας γεραιρόντῶν κατηγορίαν, καὶ μέντοι καὶ τὴν ἀπολογίαν, ἡ ὀγδόη περιέχει, ταῖς τῶν φιλοσόφων καὶ ξυγγραφέων, καὶ μέντοι καὶ ποιητῶν μαρτυρίαις χρωμένη καὶ ἐπιδειενῦσα, ὡς Ἕλληνες οὐ μόνον χοαῖς, ἀλλὰ καὶ θυσίαις τοὺς τεθνεῶτας ἐτίμων, τοὺς μὲν θεούς, τοὺς δὲ ἡμιθέους, τοὺς δὲ ἥρωας ὀνομάζοντες, καὶ τούτων τοὺς πλείστους ἀκολασίᾳ ξυνεξηκότας.
Tēn de kata tōn tous nipēphorous martyras gerairontōn katēgorian, kai mentoi kai tēn apologian, hē ogdoē periechei, tais tōn philosophōn kai xyngrapheōn, kai mentoi kai poiētōn martyriais chrōmenē kai epideienysa, hōs Hellēnes ou monon choais, alla kai thysiais tous tethneōtas etimōn, tous men theous, tous de hēmitheous, tous de hērōas onomazontes, kai toutōn tous pleistous akolasią xynexēkotas.
The eighth contains the charge against those who honor the victorious martyrs, and also the defense; it uses the testimonies of philosophers and historians, and of poets as well, and shows that the Greeks honored the dead not only with libations but even with sacrifices, calling some of them gods, some demigods, some heroes, though most of these had lived in licentiousness.
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Summary: The eighth discourse defends the honoring of martyrs.
Topics: Martyrdom
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.11 (Raeder, 3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.12Raeder, 3
Προύργου δὲ φήθην καὶ τοῖς παρ᾽ “Ἕλλησιν ὀνομαστοτάτοις γεγενημένοις νομοθέταις τοὺς ἡμετέρους. παρεξετάσαι., τοὺς ἁλιέας λέγω καὶ τὸν σκυτοτόμον καὶ τοὺς τελώνας, καὶ. δεῖξαι πάλιν ἐκ ξυγκρίσεως τὸ διάφορον, καὶ ὡς ἐκεῖνοι μὲν οἱ νόμον μετὰ τῶν τεθεικότων τῷ τῆς λήθης παρεδόθησαν ξόφῳ, οἱ δὲ τῶν. ἁλιέων ἀνθοῦσιν- οὐ μόνον παρ᾽ Ἕλλησι καὶ Ῥωμαίοις, ἀλλὰ καὶ παρὰ Σούθαις καὶ Σαυρομάταις καὶ Πέρσαις καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις βαρβάροις. ταύτην δὲ τὴν παρεξέτασιν ἡ ἐνάτη περιέχει ] διάλεξιρ.
Prourgou de phēthēn kai tois par᾽ “Hellēsin onomastotatois gegenēmenois nomothetais tous hēmeterous. parexetasai., tous halieas legō kai ton skytotomon kai tous telōnas, kai. deixai palin ek xynkriseōs to diaphoron, kai hōs ekeinoi men hoi nomon meta tōn tetheikotōn tǭ tēs lēthēs paredothēsan xophǭ, hoi de tōn. halieōn anthousin- ou monon par᾽ Hellēsi kai Rhōmaiois, alla kai para Southais kai Sauromatais kai Persais kai tois allois barbarois. tautēn de tēn parexetasin hē enatē periechei ] dialexir.
I thought it worthwhile also to compare our lawgivers with the most famous lawgivers among the Greeks (I mean the fishermen, the leather-worker, and the tax collectors), and again to show the difference by comparison: how those lawgivers, laws and all, were handed over to the darkness of oblivion, while the laws of the fishermen flourish not only among Greeks and Romans but also among Scythians, Sauromatians, Persians, and the other barbarians. The ninth discourse contains this comparison.
Acts 18:3 (echo, medium confidence)
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Summary: The ninth discourse compares Greek lawgivers with the apostles.
- The leather-worker is Paul, a tentmaker (Acts 18:3).
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.12 (Raeder, 3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.13Raeder, 3
Ἢ δὲ δεκάτη διδάσκει, ὁποῖα μὲν οἱ θεῖοι χρησμοὶ προηγόρευσαν, καὶ ὡς Θεῷ πρέποντα καὶ τοῖς εὖ φρονοῦσι τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἁρμόττοντα, τίνα δὲ ὁ Πύθιος καὶ ὁ Δωδωναῖος καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι τῶν “Ελλήνων ψευδομάντεις προειπόντες ἐφωράθησαν μὲν ψευδόμενοι καὶ τῶν᾽ ἐσομένων οὐδὲν προγινώσκοντες, τοιαῦτα δὲ τεθεσπικότες, ὁποῖα οὐδὲ τῶν ἐπιεικῶν τις ἀνθρώπων ἠνέσχετο ἂν εἰσηγήσασθαι.
Ē de dekatē didaskei, hopoia men hoi theioi chrēsmoi proēgoreusan, kai hōs Theǭ preponta kai tois eu phronousi tōn anthrōpōn harmottonta, tina de ho Pythios kai ho Dōdōnaios kai hoi alloi tōn “Ellēnōn pseudomanteis proeipontes ephōrathēsan men pseudomenoi kai tōn᾽ esomenōn ouden proginōskontes, toiauta de tethespikotes, hopoia oude tōn epieikōn tis anthrōpōn ēnescheto an eisēgēsasthai.
The tenth teaches what the divine oracles foretold, how fitting they are to God and suited to people of sound mind; and what the Pythian, the Dodonaean, and the other false seers of the Greeks foretold, who were caught lying and foreknowing nothing of the future, and who gave oracles such as no decent human being would have consented to propose.
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Summary: The tenth discourse contrasts biblical prophecy with pagan oracles.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.13 (Raeder, 3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.14Raeder, 4
ἸἘπειδὴ δὲ καὶ περὶ τέλους καὶ πρίσεως ἔδει γνῶναι τοὺς ἀγνοοῦντας, τίνα μὲν ἡμεῖς, τίνα δὲ ἐκεῖνοι διδάσκουσι, ταύτην ἡ πρώτῃ καὶ δεκάτη διάλεξις τοῖς ἐντυχεῖν βουλομένοις τὴν διδασκαλίαν προσφέρει.
IEpeidē de kai peri telous kai priseōs edei gnōnai tous agnoountas, tina men hēmeis, tina de ekeinoi didaskousi, tautēn hē prōtę̄ kai dekatē dialexis tois entychein boulomenois tēn didaskalian prospherei.
Since those who do not know needed also to learn about the end and the judgment, what we teach and what they teach, the eleventh discourse offers this teaching to those who wish to read it.
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Summary: The eleventh discourse treats the end and judgment.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.14 (Raeder, 4; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.15Raeder, 4
ἰΔλλὰ γὰρ καὶ τῆς πρακτινῆς ἀρετῆς ἐπιδείκνυμι τὸ διάφορον; ἐπειδὴ μάλα καὶ τὴν Ἑλληνινὴν ξυμμορίαν ἐπὶ τοῖς πάλαι γεγενημένοις φιλοσόφοις βρενθυομένην ὁρῶ καὶ τὸν ἐκείνων βίον αἴρειν τοῖς λόγοις ἐπιχειροῦντας. ἐπι»δείξει τοίνυν ἡ δευτέρα καὶ δεκάτη διάλεξις, ὡς ὃ ἐκείνων μὲν βίος οὐ μόνον φιλοσόφων, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀνδραπόδων ἐπαινουμένων ἀνάξιος, ὁ δὲ τῶν ἀποστόλων καὶ τῶν ἐκείνοις ἑπομένων τῆς φύσεως τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης ὑπέρτερος καὶ τοῖς σωμάτων ἀπηλλαγμένοις καὶ τὸν οὐρανὸν περιπολοῦσι, προσύμοιος.
iDlla gar kai tēs praktinēs aretēs epideiknymi to diaphoron? epeidē mala kai tēn Hellēninēn xymmorian epi tois palai gegenēmenois philosophois brenthyomenēn horō kai ton ekeinōn bion airein tois logois epicheirountas. epi»deixei toinyn hē deutera kai dekatē dialexis, hōs ho ekeinōn men bios ou monon philosophōn, alla kai andrapodōn epainoumenōn anaxios, ho de tōn apostolōn kai tōn ekeinois hepomenōn tēs physeōs tēs anthrōpinēs hyperteros kai tois sōmatōn apēllagmenois kai ton ouranon peripolousi, prosymoios.
But I also show the difference in practical virtue, since I see the Greek company priding itself on the philosophers of old and trying to exalt their life in words. The twelfth discourse, then, will show that their life was unworthy not only of philosophers but even of slaves who are praised, while the life of the apostles and of those who follow them surpasses human nature and is like that of beings freed from bodies who move about heaven.
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Summary: The twelfth discourse compares the lives of philosophers and apostles.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.15 (Raeder, 4; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.16Raeder, 4
Ὄνομα δὲ τῷ βιβλίρ Ἑλληνικῶν θεραπευτικὴ παθημάτων ἢ Εὐαγγελικῆς ἀληθείας ἐξ Ἕλληνικῆς φιλοσοφίας ἐπίγνωσις.
Onoma de tǭ biblir Hellēnikōn therapeutikē pathēmatōn ē Euangelikēs alētheias ex Hellēnikēs philosophias epignōsis.
The name of the book is The Cure of Greek Maladies, or, The Knowledge of Gospel Truth from Greek Philosophy.
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Summary: Theodoret gives the title of the book.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.16 (Raeder, 4; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.17Raeder, 4
Ἐγὼ μὲν οὖν τῆς τε τῶν νοσούντων ἕνεκα θεραπείας καὶ τῆς τῶν ὑγιαινόντων προμηθούμενος. ὠφελείας τοῦτον ἀνεδεξάμην τὸν πόνον᾽ τοὺς δὲ τοῖς ἀλλοτρίοις ἐντυγχάνοντας πόνοις παραπαλῶ, εἰ μὲν ἅπαντα εὖ ἔχει τὰ γεγραμμένα, τὸν τούτων ἀνυμνῆσαι δοτῆρα καὶ τοῖς πεπονὴηπόσι προσευχὰς ἀντιδοῦναι᾽ εἰ δέ τινα ἐλλείπει, μὴ πάντων ὁμοῦ τούτων εἵνεκα καταγνῶναι, ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ τῶν εὖ εἰρημένων τὸ κέρδος κομίσασθαι.
Egō men oun tēs te tōn nosountōn heneka therapeias kai tēs tōn hygiainontōn promēthoumenos. ōpheleias touton anedexamēn ton ponon᾽ tous de tois allotriois entynchanontas ponois parapalō, ei men hapanta eu echei ta gegrammena, ton toutōn anymnēsai dotēra kai tois peponēēposi proseuchas antidounai᾽ ei de tina elleipei, mē pantōn homou toutōn heineka katagnōnai, all᾽ ek tōn eu eirēmenōn to kerdos komisasthai.
I have undertaken this labor out of concern both for the cure of the sick and for the benefit of the healthy. I urge those who read the labors of others, if everything written is in good order, to praise the Giver of it and to repay those who toiled with prayers; and if anything falls short, not to condemn the whole because of it, but to take the profit from what is well said.
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Summary: He asks readers to pray for the author and take profit from what is well said.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 0.17 (Raeder, 4; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/0-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 1
1.1Raeder, 5
Ἰατρικὴ θεραπεία ἔστι μέν που καὶ σώματος, ἔστι δ᾽ ἄρα καὶ ψυχῆς᾽ καὶ γὰρ δὴ καὶ ταύτῃ κἀκείνῳ συχνὰ προσγίνεται πάθη, ἀλλὰ τῷ μὲν ἀκούσια, τῇ δέ, ὡς ἐπίπαν, αὐθαίρετα.
Iatrikē therapeia esti men pou kai sōmatos, esti d᾽ ara kai psychēs᾽ kai gar dē kai tautę̄ kakeinǭ sychna prosginetai pathē, alla tǭ men akousia, tę̄ de, hōs epipan, authaireta.
There is a medical treatment for the body, and there is one also for the soul; for many ailments befall both, but those of the body are involuntary, while those of the soul are, for the most part, self-chosen.
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Summary: Both body and soul need healing, but the soul's ills are mostly self-chosen.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.1 (Raeder, 5; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.2Raeder, 5
τοῦτο οὖν εὖ εἰδώς, οἷα δὴ πάνσοφος ὃ Θεὸς καὶ ψυχῶν καὶ σωμάτων καὶ τῶν ὅλων δημιουργός, ἑκατέρᾳ φύσει προσένειμεν ἁρμόδια φάρμακα, καὶ μέντοι καὶ ἰατροὺς ἐπέστησε, τοὺς μὲν ταύτην, τοὺς δὲ ἐκείνην ἐκπαιδεύσας τὴν ἐπιστήμην, καὶ στρατηγεῖν καὶ ἀριστεύειν κατὰ τῶν νοσημάτων ἐκέλευσεν.
touto oun eu eidōs, hoia dē pansophos ho Theos kai psychōn kai sōmatōn kai tōn holōn dēmiourgos, hekaterą physei proseneimen harmodia pharmaka, kai mentoi kai iatrous epestēse, tous men tautēn, tous de ekeinēn ekpaideusas tēn epistēmēn, kai stratēgein kai aristeuein kata tōn nosēmatōn ekeleusen.
Knowing this well, God, being all-wise and the maker of souls, of bodies, and of the universe, assigned fitting remedies to each nature; he also appointed physicians, training some in the one science and some in the other, and commanded them to lead the battle and fight bravely against the diseases.
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Summary: God has provided remedies and physicians for both body and soul.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.2 (Raeder, 5; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.3Raeder, 5
ἀλλ᾽ οἵ μὲν τὸ σῶμα οὐκ εὖ διακείμενον καὶ τὴν νόσον δυσχεραίνουσι καὶ ὑγείας ἱμείρονται καὶ τοῖς ἰατροῖς εἴκουσιν, οὐ μόνο ἤπια προσφέρουσι φάρμακα, ἀλλὰ κἂν τέμνωσι., κἂν καίωσι, κἂν λιμώττειν κελεύωσι, κἂν πιιρῶν τινῶν καὶ ἀηδῶν μεστὰς προσφέρωσι κύλικας καὶ διὰ τοιαύτης ἀνιαρᾶς ἐπιμελείας τὴν ὑγείαν καρπούμενοι, μισθὸν τοῖς οὕτως ἀκουμένοις ὀρέγουσι, καὶ τὴν θεραπείαν δεχόμενοι τὴν τῶν φαρμάκων οὐ περιεργάἕονταιν σηξυασίαν᾽ τὴν γάρ τοι σωτηρίαν ποθοῦσιν, οὐ τὸν ταύτης τρόπον ἀνερευνῶσιν.
all᾽ hoi men to sōma ouk eu diakeimenon kai tēn noson dyscherainousi kai hygeias himeirontai kai tois iatrois eikousin, ou mono ēpia prospherousi pharmaka, alla kan temnōsi., kan kaiōsi, kan limōttein keleuōsi, kan piirōn tinōn kai aēdōn mestas prospherōsi kylikas kai dia toiautēs aniaras epimeleias tēn hygeian karpoumenoi, misthon tois houtōs akoumenois oregousi, kai tēn therapeian dechomenoi tēn tōn pharmakōn ou periergaeontain sēxyasian᾽ tēn gar toi sōtērian pothousin, ou ton tautēs tropon anereunōsin.
But those whose body is in poor condition are vexed by the disease, long for health, and yield to the physicians, not only when they offer gentle remedies but even if they cut, burn, order fasting, or offer cups full of bitter and unpleasant things; and reaping health through such painful care, they hold out a fee to those who heal them so; and accepting the treatment, they do not pry into how the remedies are prepared, for they long for recovery and do not investigate its method.
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Summary: Bodily patients accept painful treatment without questioning the physician's methods.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.3 (Raeder, 5; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.4Raeder, 5
οἱ δὲ τῆς ἀπιστίας τὴν λώβην εἰσδεδεγμένοι οὐ μόνον ἀγνοοῦσι τὴν παγχάλεπον νόσον, ἀλλὰ καὶ τῆς ἄκρας εὐκληρίας ἀπολαύειν ὑπολαμβάνουσιν᾽ ἣν δέ τις τῶν ταῦτα θεραπεύειν ἐπισταμένων ἀλεξίκαπον φάρμακον τῷ πάθει προσενεγκεῖν ἐθελήσῃ, ἀποπηδῶσιν αὐτίκα, καθάπερ οἱ φρενίτιδι κατεχόμενοι νόσῳ καὶ τὴν σφίσι προσφερομένην ἀποσείονται θεραπείαν καὶ τὴν ἰατρείαν ὡς ἀρρωστίαν ἀποδιδράσκουσιν.
hoi de tēs apistias tēn lōbēn eisdedegmenoi ou monon agnoousi tēn panchalepon noson, alla kai tēs akras euklērias apolauein hypolambanousin᾽ hēn de tis tōn tauta therapeuein epistamenōn alexikapon pharmakon tǭ pathei prosenenkein ethelēsę̄, apopēdōsin autika, kathaper hoi phrenitidi katechomenoi nosǭ kai tēn sphisi prospheromenēn aposeiontai therapeian kai tēn iatreian hōs arrōstian apodidraskousin.
Those who have taken in the injury of unbelief, however, are not only unaware of their very grievous disease but even think that they enjoy the highest good fortune; and if one of those who know how to treat these things wishes to apply a protective remedy to the ailment, they jump away at once, like those gripped by frenzy, shaking off the treatment offered them and fleeing the cure as though it were a sickness.
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Summary: The sick in unbelief think themselves healthy and flee the cure.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.4 (Raeder, 5; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.5Raeder, 6
χρὴ μέντοι τοὺς ταύτην μετιόντας τὴν ἐπιστήμην καὶ χαλεπαίνοντας φέρειν καὶ λοιδορουμένων ἀνέχεσθαι, κἂν πὺξ παίωσι, κἂν λακτίξωσι" τοις αὗτα γὰρ δὴ ἄττα πλημμελοῦσιν οἵ παραπαίοντες᾽ καὶ οὐ δυσχεραίνουσι τούτων γινομένων οἷ ἰατροί, ἀλλὰ καὶ δεσμὰ προσφέρουσι καὶ καταιονῶσι βίᾳ τὰς κεφαλὰς καὶ πᾶσαν μηχανὴν ἐπινοοῦσιν, ὥστε τὸ πάθος ἐξελάσαι καὶ τὴν προτέραν τῶν μορίων ἁρμονίαν ἀποδοῦναι τῷ ὅλῳ.
chrē mentoi tous tautēn metiontas tēn epistēmēn kai chalepainontas pherein kai loidoroumenōn anechesthai, kan pyx paiōsi, kan laktixōsi" tois hauta gar dē atta plēmmelousin hoi parapaiontes᾽ kai ou dyscherainousi toutōn ginomenōn hoi iatroi, alla kai desma prospherousi kai kataionōsi bią tas kephalas kai pasan mēchanēn epinoousin, hōste to pathos exelasai kai tēn proteran tōn moriōn harmonian apodounai tǭ holǭ.
Those who practice this science must nevertheless bear with them when they are angry and endure them when they revile, even if they strike with their fists or kick; for madmen commit faults of exactly this kind. And physicians are not annoyed when this happens, but they even apply restraints, forcibly drench their heads, and devise every means to drive out the ailment and restore to the whole the former harmony of its parts.
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Summary: Like physicians with the frenzied, the healer of souls must bear abuse patiently.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.5 (Raeder, 6; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.6Raeder, 6
τοῦτο δὴ καὶ ἡμῖν ποιητέον. καὶ τῶν οὕτω διακδιμένων ἐπιμελητέον εἰς δύναμιν. εἰ γὰρ καὶ ὀλίγοι λίαν εἰσὶν οἱ τῷ πάθει δεδουλωμένον καὶ ἐοίκασιν ὑποστάθμῃ τινὶ παχείᾳ τῶν τοῦ διυυλιστῆρος οὐ διϊκνουμένῃ πόρων διὰ παχύτητα, ἀλλ᾽ οὖν οὐκ ἀμελητέον αὐτῶν οὐδὲ παροπτέον φθειρομένους ὑπὸ τοῦ πάθους, ἀλλὰ πάντα πόρον ἐξευρητέον, ὥστε τὴν ἐπικειμένην αὐτοῖς ὁμίχλην ἀποσκεδάσαι καὶ τοῦ νοεροῦ φωτὸς τ ἐπιδεῖξαι τὴν αἴγλην.
touto dē kai hēmin poiēteon. kai tōn houtō diakdimenōn epimelēteon eis dynamin. ei gar kai oligoi lian eisin hoi tǭ pathei dedoulōmenon kai eoikasin hypostathmę̄ tini pacheią tōn tou diyylistēros ou diïknoumenę̄ porōn dia pachytēta, all᾽ oun ouk amelēteon autōn oude paropteon phtheiromenous hypo tou pathous, alla panta poron exeurēteon, hōste tēn epikeimenēn autois homichlēn aposkedasai kai tou noerou phōtos t epideixai tēn aiglēn.
This we too must do, and care for those so disposed as far as we can. For even if those enslaved to the ailment are very few, and resemble a thick sediment that cannot pass through the holes of a strainer because of its thickness, still they must not be neglected or overlooked while the ailment destroys them; every way must be found to scatter the fog that lies over them and to show them the radiance of the spiritual light.
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Summary: Even if the unbelievers are few, they must be cared for.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.6 (Raeder, 6; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.7Raeder, 6
οὐδεὶς γὰρ φιλόπονος γεωργὸς τὰς μὲν πολλὰς ἀχάνθας ἐχτέμνει, τὰς δὲ ὀλίγας ἐᾷ, ἀλλὰ κἂν δύο εὕρῃ, κἂν μίαν, πρόφριξον ἀνασπᾷ καὶ καθαρὸν ἀποφαίνει τὸ λήϊον. πολλῷ δὴ οὖν μᾶλλον τοῦτο ποιητέον ἡμῖν" οὐ γὰρ ἐκτέμνειν, ἀλλὰ μεταβάλλειν τὰς ἀμάνθας ὃ τῆς ἡμετέρας γεωργίας παρακελεύεται νόμος.
oudeis gar philoponos geōrgos tas men pollas achanthas echtemnei, tas de oligas eą, alla kan dyo heurę̄, kan mian, prophrixon anaspą kai katharon apophainei to lēïon. pollǭ dē oun mallon touto poiēteon hēmin" ou gar ektemnein, alla metaballein tas amanthas ho tēs hēmeteras geōrgias parakeleuetai nomos.
No hard-working farmer cuts out most of the thorns and leaves a few; even if he finds two, or one, he pulls it up root and all and makes the field clean. All the more must we do this; for the law of our husbandry orders us not to cut out the thorns but to change them.
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Summary: Like a farmer, the Christian must deal with every thorn, but by transforming it.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.7 (Raeder, 6; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.8Raeder, 6
φέρε τοίνυν καὶ ὡς ἀκάνθαις τὴν γεωργικὴν προσενέγκωμεν δίκελλαν καὶ τῇ μακέλλῃ τοῦ λόγου τὰς τῶν ἀκοῶν ἀνευρύνωμεν αὔλακας, ἵνα μηδὲν τῶν ἐν μέσῳ κειμένων κωλυμάτων ἐπίσχῃ τῆς ἀρδείας τὸ ῥεῖθρον᾽ καὶ μὲν δὴ καὶ ὡς ἀρρωστοῦντας καταιονήσωμεν καὶ τὰ σωτήρια καὶ παιώνια. προσΠρ
phere toinyn kai hōs akanthais tēn geōrgikēn prosenenkōmen dikellan kai tę̄ makellę̄ tou logou tas tōn akoōn aneurynōmen aulakas, hina mēden tōn en mesǭ keimenōn kōlymatōn epischę̄ tēs ardeias to rheithron᾽ kai men dē kai hōs arrōstountas kataionēsōmen kai ta sōtēria kai paiōnia. prosPr
Come then, let us apply the farmer's two-pronged hoe to them as to thorns, and with the mattock of the word widen the furrows of their hearing, so that no obstacle lying in the way may hold back the stream of irrigation; and let us also, as with the sick, drench them with saving and healing remedies.
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Summary: He resolves to work on the unbelievers with argument as with farming and medicine.
- The section ends mid-word (προσ-); the verb is completed at the start of 1.9.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.8 (Raeder, 6; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.9Raeder, 7
ῶτον δέ γε τῶν ἄλλων τὸ τῆς οἰήσεως ἰατρεύσωμεν πάθος. καὶ γὰρ δή τινες αὐτῶν, ποιητικῶν καὶ δητορικῶν λόγων μετεσχηκότες, τινὲς δὲ καὶ τῆς Πλάτωνος εὐεπείας ἀπογευσάμενοι, καταφρονοῦσι μὲν τῶν θείων λογίων, ὡς ἥκιστα επαλλιεπημένῃ φράσει πεκομιψευμένων οὐκ ἀξιοῦσι δὲ παρ᾽ ἀνδρῶν ἁλιέων μαθεῖν τὴν τοῦ ὄντος ἀλήθειαν.
ōton de ge tōn allōn to tēs oiēseōs iatreusōmen pathos. kai gar dē tines autōn, poiētikōn kai dētorikōn logōn meteschēkotes, tines de kai tēs Platōnos euepeias apogeusamenoi, kataphronousi men tōn theiōn logiōn, hōs hēkista epalliepēmenę̄ phrasei pekomipseumenōn ouk axiousi de par᾽ andrōn halieōn mathein tēn tou ontos alētheian.
First of all, let us heal the ailment of conceit. For some of them, who have had some share in poetry and rhetoric, and some who have tasted Plato's eloquence, despise the divine oracles as not adorned with a polished style, and do not think it worthy to learn the truth of what is from men who were fishermen.
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Summary: The first ailment to heal is the conceit of the half-educated who scorn the fishermen apostles.
- The first letters of the section's first word stand at the end of 1.8 in the printed division.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.9 (Raeder, 7; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.10Raeder, 7
καὶ τέχνης μὲν ἑκάστης δρεπόμενοι τοὺς καρπούς, τὰς τῶν τεχνιτῶν οὐ περιεργάζονται γλώττας᾽ οὐδὲ γὰρ Ἀττικοὺς εἶναι τοὺς σπυτοτόμους ἀπαιτοῦσιν ἢ τοὺς χαλιξας ἢ τοὺς τέκτονας ἢ τοὺς ξωγφάφους ἢ τοὺς ναυπηγοὺς ἢ τοὺς κυβερνήτας, ἀλλὰ κἂν Σκύθαι ὦσι, κἂν Σαυρομάται, κἂν Ἴβηρες, κἂν Αἰγύπτιοι, μεθ᾽ ἡδονῆς ἀπολαύουσι τῶν τεχνῶν, μόνην ἀπαιτοῦντες τὴν τούτων ἀκρίβειαν, τὴν δὲ τῶν ἐθνῶν διαφορὼν ἥκιστα δυσχεραίνουσιν.
kai technēs men hekastēs drepomenoi tous karpous, tas tōn technitōn ou periergazontai glōttas᾽ oude gar Attikous einai tous spytotomous apaitousin ē tous chalixas ē tous tektonas ē tous xōgphaphous ē tous naupēgous ē tous kybernētas, alla kan Skythai ōsi, kan Sauromatai, kan Ibēres, kan Aigyptioi, meth᾽ hēdonēs apolauousi tōn technōn, monēn apaitountes tēn toutōn akribeian, tēn de tōn ethnōn diaphorōn hēkista dyscherainousin.
In each craft they enjoy the fruits without prying into the craftsmen's tongues; they do not demand that shoemakers, smiths, carpenters, painters, shipwrights, or helmsmen be Attic speakers. Even if they are Scythians, Sauromatians, Iberians, or Egyptians, they enjoy their crafts with pleasure, demanding only accuracy in them, and are not in the least troubled by the difference of nation.
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Summary: People use craftsmen's skills without caring about their nationality or speech.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.10 (Raeder, 7; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.11Raeder, 7
καὶ κυθαριστοῦ μὲν ἀκούοντες, τῶν κρουμάτων μόνον ἀπωιτοῦσι τὴν ἄρμογίαν, οὐ μὴν εἰ Ἕλλην ἐστὶν ἢ βάρβαρος ἐπιξητοῦσι μαθεῖν᾽ μόνην δ᾽ ἄρα τῆς ἀληθείας τὴν. μάθησιν ἀπεριέργως λαβεῖν οὐκ ἐθέλουσιν, ἀλλ᾽ ἀτιμίαν ὑπολαμβάνουσιν, εἰ βάρβάρος αὐτοὺς ταύτην τὴν γλῶτταν παιδεύοι᾽ καὶ τοῦτον ἔχουσι τὸν τύφον ἄνδρες οὐδ᾽ εἰς ἄκρον τῆς “Ἑλληνικῆς φιλοσοφίας ἐληλακότες, ἀλλ᾽ ὀλίγων τινῶν, τὸ δὴ λεγόμενον, ἄκροις χείλεσι γεγευμένοι καὶ σμιπρὰ ἄττα ἔνθεν κἀκεῖθεν ἠρανισμένοι.
kai kytharistou men akouontes, tōn kroumatōn monon apōitousi tēn armogian, ou mēn ei Hellēn estin ē barbaros epixētousi mathein᾽ monēn d᾽ ara tēs alētheias tēn. mathēsin aperiergōs labein ouk ethelousin, all᾽ atimian hypolambanousin, ei barbaros autous tautēn tēn glōttan paideuoi᾽ kai touton echousi ton typhon andres oud᾽ eis akron tēs “Hellēnikēs philosophias elēlakotes, all᾽ oligōn tinōn, to dē legomenon, akrois cheilesi gegeumenoi kai smipra atta enthen kakeithen ēranismenoi.
When they hear a lyre player, they demand only harmony in the notes and do not seek to learn whether he is a Greek or a barbarian. Only the learning of truth are they unwilling to receive without fuss; they think it a disgrace if a barbarian teaches them this tongue. And this arrogance is held by men who have not even reached the heights of Greek philosophy but, as the saying goes, have tasted a little with the tips of their lips and gathered some small scraps here and there.
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Summary: Only in truth do the half-learned object to a barbarian teacher.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.11 (Raeder, 7; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.12Raeder, 8
Οἱ δὲ "τῶν Ἑληνικῶν" φιλοσόφων περιφανέστατοι; ὧν ἡ μνήμη παρὰ τοῖς ἐλλογίμοις μέχρι καὶ τήμερον πολυθρύχητος, Φερεκύδης ὁ Σύριος καὶ Πυθαγόρας ὁ Σάμιος καὶ «(Θαλῆς ὃ Μιλήσιος καὶ Σόλων ὃ ᾿4θηναῖος, καὶ μέντοι καὶ Πλάτων ἐκεῖνος, ὃ Ἀρίστωνος μὲν υἱός, Σωκράτους δὲ φοιτητής, εὐστομίᾳ δὲ πάντας ἀποχρύψας, οὖ» ὥξνησαν ἕνεκα τοῦ τἀληθὲς ἐξευρεῖν καὶ ἀἴγυπτον περινοστῆσαι καὶ "Θήβας τὰς Αἰγυπτίας καὶ Σικελίαν καὶ ᾿Ιταλίαν, καὶ ταῦτα οὐ μιᾶς βασιλείας τάδε τὸ τηνιμαῦτα ἰθυνούσης τὰ ἔθνη, ἀλλὰ διαφόρων, μὲν πολιτειῶν ἐν ταῖς πόλεσιν Ι οὐσῶν,
Hoi de "tōn Helēnikōn" philosophōn periphanestatoi? hōn hē mnēmē para tois ellogimois mechri kai tēmeron polythrychētos, Pherekydēs ho Syrios kai Pythagoras ho Samios kai «(Thalēs ho Milēsios kai Solōn ho ᾿4thēnaios, kai mentoi kai Platōn ekeinos, ho Aristōnos men huios, Sōkratous de phoitētēs, eustomią de pantas apochrypsas, ou» hōxnēsan heneka tou talēthes exeurein kai aigypton perinostēsai kai "Thēbas tas Aigyptias kai Sikelian kai ᾿Italian, kai tauta ou mias basileias tade to tēnimauta ithynousēs ta ethnē, alla diaphorōn, men politeiōn en tais polesin I ousōn,
Yet the most illustrious of the Greek philosophers, whose memory is still celebrated among the learned today (Pherecydes of Syros, Pythagoras of Samos, Thales of Miletus, Solon of Athens, and also the famous Plato, son of Ariston and pupil of Socrates, who outshone all in eloquence), did not shrink, for the sake of finding the truth, from traveling around Egypt, Egyptian Thebes, Sicily, and Italy, and that when no single kingdom then governed the nations, but the cities had different constitutions
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Summary: The greatest Greek philosophers traveled widely to learn the truth.
- The sentence continues in 1.13.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.12 (Raeder, 8; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.13Raeder, 8
διαφόρων δὲ νόμων᾽ αἵ μὲν γὰρ δημοκρατίαν, αἵ δὲ ὀλιγαρχίαν ἠσπάξοντο᾽ καὶ οἵ μὲν ἐτυραννοῦντο, οἵ δὲ ἐννόμως ἐβασιλεύοντο. ἀλλ᾽ ὕμως οὐδὲν αὐτοὺς τούτων ἐπέσχε τῶν χκωλυμάτων παρὰ βαρβάρους ἀνθρώπους δραμεῖν καὶ μαθεῖν παρ᾽ αὐτῶν, ἅπερ αὐτοὺς ἄμεινον γινώσκειν ἑαυτῶν ὑπελάμβανον.
diaphorōn de nomōn᾽ hai men gar dēmokratian, hai de oligarchian ēspaxonto᾽ kai hoi men etyrannounto, hoi de ennomōs ebasileuonto. all᾽ hymōs ouden autous toutōn epesche tōn chkōlymatōn para barbarous anthrōpous dramein kai mathein par᾽ autōn, haper autous ameinon ginōskein heautōn hypelambanon.
and different laws: some embraced democracy, some oligarchy; some were ruled by tyrants, others by lawful kings. Still, none of these obstacles kept them from hastening to barbarian peoples and learning from them what they supposed those peoples knew better than themselves.
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Summary: Political obstacles did not stop the Greek sages from learning from barbarians.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.13 (Raeder, 8; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.14Raeder, 8
φασὶ δὲ αὐτοὺς ἐν «Αἰγύπτῳ οὐ μόνον παρ᾽ Αἰγυπτίων, ἀλλὰ καὶ παρ᾽ Ἑβραίων τὰ περὶ τοῦ ὄντος 'διδαχθῆναι Θεοῦ. καὶ ταῦτα διδάσπει μὲν Πλούταρχος ὁ Βοιώτιος, διδάσκει δὲ καὶ Πορφύριος ὃ κατὰ τῆς ἀληθείας λυττήσας, καὶ μέντοι καὶ Νουμήνιος ὃ Πυθαγύρειος καὶ ἕτεροι πλεῖστοι.
phasi de autous en «Aigyptǭ ou monon par᾽ Aigyptiōn, alla kai par᾽ Hebraiōn ta peri tou ontos 'didachthēnai Theou. kai tauta didaspei men Ploutarchos ho Boiōtios, didaskei de kai Porphyrios ho kata tēs alētheias lyttēsas, kai mentoi kai Noumēnios ho Pythagyreios kai heteroi pleistoi.
They say that in Egypt these men were taught about the God who is, not only by Egyptians but also by Hebrews. Plutarch of Boeotia teaches this, and so does Porphyry, who raged against the truth, and Numenius the Pythagorean, and very many others.
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Summary: Plutarch, Porphyry, and Numenius say the Greek sages learned of God from Egyptians and Hebrews.
- The passages of Plutarch, Porphyry, and Numenius meant are not specified.
Extrabiblical texts: Plutarch (Plutarch; allusion); Numenius (Numenius of Apamea; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.14 (Raeder, 8; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.15Raeder, 8
φασὶ δὲ τὸν Πυθαγόραν καὶ περιτομῆς ἀνασχέσθαι, τοῦτο παρ᾽ Αἰγυπτίων μεμαθηκότα᾽ ἰγύπτιοι δὲ παρ᾽. Ἑβραίων τόνδε τὸν νόμον παρέλαβον. ᾿Αβραὰμ γὰρ τοῦ πατριάρχου παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῶν ὅλων τῆς περιτομῆς δεξαμένου τὴν ἐντολήν, ἐφύλαξε μὲν ταύτην τὸ γένος᾽ ᾧκησε δ᾽ ἐπὶ πλεῖστον τὴν ἀἴγυπτον, ἐζήλωσαν δὲ τοὺς Ἕβραίους Αἰγύπτιοι.
phasi de ton Pythagoran kai peritomēs anaschesthai, touto par᾽ Aigyptiōn memathēkota᾽ igyptioi de par᾽. Hebraiōn tonde ton nomon parelabon. ᾿Abraam gar tou patriarchou para tou Theou tōn holōn tēs peritomēs dexamenou tēn entolēn, ephylaxe men tautēn to genos᾽ hǭkēse d᾽ epi pleiston tēn aigypton, ezēlōsan de tous Hebraious Aigyptioi.
They say that Pythagoras even submitted to circumcision, having learned it from the Egyptians; and the Egyptians received this law from the Hebrews. For when the patriarch Abraham received the command of circumcision from the God of the universe, his race kept it; it lived for a very long time in Egypt, and the Egyptians imitated the Hebrews.
Gen 17:10 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Pythagoras' circumcision is traced through Egypt back to Abraham.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.15 (Raeder, 8; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.16Raeder, 9
ὅτι δὲ οὐκ ἦν πάλαι νόμος Αἰγυπτίοις περιτέμνειν τὰ βρέφη, ἡ τοῦ. Φαραὼ θυγάτηρ ἀξιόχρεως μάρτυς" τῇ γὰρ Ὄχθῃ τοῦ ποταμοῦ προσερριμμένον. εὑροῦσα τὸν ἹΜωὐσῆν, εὐθύς τε τὴν περιτομὴν εἶδε καὶ τὸ γένος ἐπέγνω καὶ τῶν Ἑβραίων ἔκγονον τὸ βρέφος ὠνόμασεν.
hoti de ouk ēn palai nomos Aigyptiois peritemnein ta brephē, hē tou. Pharaō thygatēr axiochreōs martys" tę̄ gar Ochthę̄ tou potamou proserrimmenon. heurousa ton HiMōysēn, euthys te tēn peritomēn eide kai to genos epegnō kai tōn Hebraiōn ekgonon to brephos ōnomasen.
That the Egyptians did not of old have a law to circumcise infants, Pharaoh's daughter is a trustworthy witness: when she found Moses cast out on the riverbank, she at once saw the circumcision, recognized the race, and called the baby a child of the Hebrews.
Exod 2:6 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Pharaoh's daughter recognized Moses as Hebrew, showing Egyptians did not then circumcise.
- Theodoret's inference about circumcision is not stated in Exod 2:6, which says only that she recognized the child as Hebrew.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.16 (Raeder, 9; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.17Raeder, 9
Οἱ μὲν οὖν διὰ πάσης ἐληλυθότες παιδείας τοσοῦτον ἔρωτα εἶχον φιλομαθείας, ὡς καὶ πολέμων καὶ πελαγῶν μεγίστων καταφρονῆσαι καὶ βαρβάροις ἀνδράσι φοιτῆσαι καὶ πανταχόθεν ξυλλέξαι ὅπερ ἀναγκαῖον ἐνόμισαν Σωκράτης δὲ ὁ Σωφρονίσκου, τῶν φιλοσόφων ὁ ἄριστος, οὐδὲ παρὰ γυναικῶν μαθεῖν τι χρήσιμον ὑπέλαβε φιλοσοφίας ἀνάξιον" τῷ τοι καὶ τὴν Διοτίμαν οὐκ ἠρυθρία προσαγορεύων διδάσκαλον, καὶ μέντοι καὶ παρὰ τὴν Ἀσπασίαν διετέλει θαμίζων.
Hoi men oun dia pasēs elēlythotes paideias tosouton erōta eichon philomatheias, hōs kai polemōn kai pelagōn megistōn kataphronēsai kai barbarois andrasi phoitēsai kai pantachothen xyllexai hoper anankaion enomisan Sōkratēs de ho Sōphroniskou, tōn philosophōn ho aristos, oude para gynaikōn mathein ti chrēsimon hypelabe philosophias anaxion" tǭ toi kai tēn Diotiman ouk ērythria prosagoreuōn didaskalon, kai mentoi kai para tēn Aspasian dietelei thamizōn.
These men, who had gone through every branch of learning, had so great a love of learning that they despised wars and the greatest seas, went to barbarian men as pupils, and gathered from every quarter what they thought necessary. Socrates, son of Sophroniscus, the best of the philosophers, did not think it unworthy of philosophy to learn something useful even from women; that is why he did not blush to call Diotima his teacher, and he kept frequenting Aspasia.
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Summary: Socrates did not disdain learning even from women such as Diotima and Aspasia.
- Diotima appears in Plato's Symposium; Socrates' visits to Aspasia are reported in Plato's Menexenus and elsewhere.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Symp. 201d (Plato (works); allusion)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.17 (Raeder, 9; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.18Raeder, 9
τούτων δέ γε οἱ πλεῖστοι μὲν οὐδὲ τὴν ΜΜῆνιν ἴσασι τὴν ᾿Αχιλλέως, ἐξ ἧς ἄρχεσθαι τῶν ἐλλογίμων μαθημάτων εἴωθε τὰ μειράκια οἵ δέ, ὀλίγα μὲν παρὰ ποιητῶν, ὀλίγα δὲ παρὰ ῥητόρων ἐρανισάμενοι, τῶν δέ γε φιλοσόφων οὐδὲ αὐτὰς τὰς προσηγορίας μεμωθηκότες, πλὴν δυοῖν ἢ τριῶν τῶν ἐπισήμων, βάρβαρον μὲν τὴν θείαν γραφὴν ὀνομάξουσι, μαθεῖν δὲ τἀληθὲς παρ᾽ αὐτῆς αἰσχρὸν ὑπειλήφασιν. ἐξ ἀγνοίας δὲ αὐτοῖς τὸ τῆς ἀλαζονείας. ἐπιγίνεται πάθημα.
toutōn de ge hoi pleistoi men oude tēn MMēnin isasi tēn ᾿Achilleōs, ex hēs archesthai tōn ellogimōn mathēmatōn eiōthe ta meirakia hoi de, oliga men para poiētōn, oliga de para rhētorōn eranisamenoi, tōn de ge philosophōn oude autas tas prosēgorias memōthēkotes, plēn dyoin ē triōn tōn episēmōn, barbaron men tēn theian graphēn onomaxousi, mathein de talēthes par᾽ autēs aischron hypeilēphasin. ex agnoias de autois to tēs alazoneias. epiginetai pathēma.
But most of these people do not even know the 'Wrath of Achilles', with which boys usually begin their literary studies; others, having gathered a little from the poets and a little from the orators, and not having learned even the names of the philosophers, except two or three of the famous ones, call the divine Scripture barbarous and think it shameful to learn the truth from it. The ailment of boastfulness comes upon them from ignorance.
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Summary: Today's critics know little literature yet scorn Scripture as barbarous.
- 'Wrath of Achilles' is the opening of Homer's Iliad.
Extrabiblical texts: Homer, Il. 1.1 (Homer, Iliad; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.18 (Raeder, 9; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.19Raeder, 9
εἰ γὰρ τὰς “Ἑλληνικὰς ἀνεγνώκεσαν ἱστορίας.. ἔγνωσαν ἂν δήπουθεν, ὡς καὶ τὰς περιφανεῖς ἐπιστήμας καὶ τῶν τεχνῶν τὰς πλείστας παρὰ βαρβάρων ἐπαιδεύθησαν “Ἕλληνες. “γεω-. μετρίαν μὲν γὰρ καὶ ἀστρονομίαν «Αἰγυπτίους πρώτους εὑρηκέναι φασίν᾽ ἀστρολογία δὲ καὶ γενεθλιαλογία Χαλδαίων εὕρημα λέγεται" Γάραβες δὲ καὶ Φρύγες οἰωνοσκοπικὴ
ei gar tas “Hellēnikas anegnōkesan historias.. egnōsan an dēpouthen, hōs kai tas periphaneis epistēmas kai tōn technōn tas pleistas para barbarōn epaideuthēsan “Hellēnes. “geō-. metrian men gar kai astronomian «Aigyptious prōtous heurēkenai phasin᾽ astrologia de kai genethlialogia Chaldaiōn heurēma legetai" Garabes de kai Phryges oiōnoskopikē
For had they read the Greek histories, they would surely have known that the Greeks were taught the famous sciences and most of the arts by barbarians. They say the Egyptians first discovered geometry and astronomy; astrology and the casting of nativities are called a discovery of the Chaldeans; the Arabs and Phrygians first devised
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Summary: Greek histories show that the sciences came from barbarians.
- The sentence continues in 1.20.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.19 (Raeder, 9; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.20Raeder, 10
ν ἐπενόησαν πρῶτοι ὅτι δὲ καὶ ἡ σάλπιγξ Τυρρηνῶν ἐστιν ἔργον, καὶ αὐλοὶ Φρυγῶν, διδάσκουσι μὲν αἱ τραγῳδίαι, διδάσκουσι δὲ μετὰ τούτων αἵ ἱστορίαι. καὶ τὰ γράμματα δέ γε Φοίνικας εὑρηκέναι λογοποιοῦσιν οἱ Ἕλληνες, καὶ τὸν Κάδμον ταῦτα πρῶτον εἰς τὴν “Ελλάδα κομίσαι" ἰατρικῆς δὲ ἄρξαι τὸν 'άπιν φασὶ τὸν Αἰγύπτιον, εἶτα τὸν Ἀοκληπιὸν αὐξῆσαι τὴν τέχνην᾽ σκάφος δὲ πρῶτον ἐν 1ιβύῃ ναυπηγηθῆναν λέγουσιν.
n epenoēsan prōtoi hoti de kai hē salpinx Tyrrēnōn estin ergon, kai auloi Phrygōn, didaskousi men hai tragǭdiai, didaskousi de meta toutōn hai historiai. kai ta grammata de ge Phoinikas heurēkenai logopoiousin hoi Hellēnes, kai ton Kadmon tauta prōton eis tēn “Ellada komisai" iatrikēs de arxai ton 'apin phasi ton Aigyption, eita ton Aoklēpion auxēsai tēn technēn᾽ skaphos de prōton en 1ibyę̄ naupēgēthēnan legousin.
augury. That the trumpet is the work of the Tyrrhenians and the pipes of the Phrygians, the tragedies teach, and with them the histories. The Greeks tell that the Phoenicians invented letters and that Cadmus first brought them to Greece; they say Apis the Egyptian began medicine and Asclepius then developed the art; and that a ship was first built in Libya.
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Summary: Trumpet, pipes, letters, medicine, and ships came from barbarians.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.20 (Raeder, 10; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.21Raeder, 10
ὅτι δὲ καὶ τῶν Διονυσίων καὶ τῶν Παναθηναίων, καὶ μέντοι καὶ τῶν Θεσμοφορίων καὶ τῶν Ἐλευσινίων τὰς τελετὰς Ὀρφεύς, ἀνὴρ Ὀδρύσης, εἰς τὰς ᾿ἀθήνας ἐκόμισε καὶ εἰς Αἴγυπτον ἀφικόμενος τὰ τῆς Ἴσιδος καὶ τοῦ Ὀσίριδος εἰς τὰ τῆς Δηοῦς καὶ τοῦ Διονύσου μετατέθεικεν ὄργια, διδάσκει μὲν Πλούταρχος ὁ ἐκ Χαιρωνείας τῆς Βοιωτίας, διδάσκει δὲ καὶ ὃ Σικελιώτης “Διόδωρος, μέμνηται δὲ καὶ 4Δημοσθένης ὃ ῥήτωρ καί φησι τὸν Ὀρφέα τὰρ ἁγιωτάτας αὐτοῖς τελετὰς καταδεῖξαι.
hoti de kai tōn Dionysiōn kai tōn Panathēnaiōn, kai mentoi kai tōn Thesmophoriōn kai tōn Eleusiniōn tas teletas Orpheus, anēr Odrysēs, eis tas ᾿athēnas ekomise kai eis Aigypton aphikomenos ta tēs Isidos kai tou Osiridos eis ta tēs Dēous kai tou Dionysou metatetheiken orgia, didaskei men Ploutarchos ho ek Chairōneias tēs Boiōtias, didaskei de kai ho Sikeliōtēs “Diodōros, memnētai de kai 4Dēmosthenēs ho rhētōr kai phēsi ton Orphea tar hagiōtatas autois teletas katadeixai.
That Orpheus, an Odrysian, brought to Athens the rites of the Dionysia and the Panathenaea, and of the Thesmophoria and the Eleusinia, and that having come to Egypt he transferred the rites of Isis and Osiris to the mysteries of Deo and Dionysus, Plutarch of Chaeronea in Boeotia teaches, and so does Diodorus of Sicily; Demosthenes the orator also mentions it, and says that Orpheus revealed their most holy rites.
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Summary: Plutarch, Diodorus, and Demosthenes say Orpheus brought Egyptian rites to Greece.
- Diodorus 1.96; Demosthenes, Against Aristogiton 1.11 (traditional attribution).
Extrabiblical texts: Diodorus Siculus, 1.96 (Diodorus Siculus, Library of History; allusion); Demosthenes, Aristog. 1.11 (Demosthenes (orations); allusion); Plutarch (Plutarch; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.21 (Raeder, 10; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.22Raeder, 10
ὅτι δὲ καὶ τὰ τῆς Ῥέας ἢ τῆς Κυβέλης ἢ τῆς ριμοῦς. (ἢ ὅπως ὁ ἂν ἐθέλητε, ὀνομάξετε' πολλὴ γὰρ εὐπορία παρ᾽ ὑμῖν ὀνομάτων, οὐχ ὑποκειμένων πραγμάτων) --- ἀλλ᾽ ὕμως ὅτι καὶ ταύτης τὰς ἑορτὰς καὶ τὰ ἐν αὐταῖς τελούμενα ἀπὸ Φρυγίας εἰς τὴν “Ἑλλάδα μετεκόμισαν Ἕλληνες, οἱ προκληθέντες ἤδη μάρτυρες διαρρήδην διδάσκουσιν.
hoti de kai ta tēs Rheas ē tēs Kybelēs ē tēs rimous. (ē hopōs ho an ethelēte, onomaxete' pollē gar euporia par᾽ hymin onomatōn, ouch hypokeimenōn pragmatōn) --- all᾽ hymōs hoti kai tautēs tas heortas kai ta en autais teloumena apo Phrygias eis tēn “Hellada metekomisan Hellēnes, hoi proklēthentes ēdē martyres diarrēdēn didaskousin.
That the rites of Rhea, or Cybele, or Brimo (or whatever you wish to call her; you have a great wealth of names, but not of real things behind them), at any rate, that the Greeks brought her festivals and the rites performed at them from Phrygia to Greece, the witnesses already called plainly teach.
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Summary: The cult of Rhea or Cybele also came from Phrygia.
- 'Brimo' is a probable reading of the garbled OCR (ριμοῦς).
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.22 (Raeder, 10; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.23Raeder, 11
εἰ δὲ καὶ τὰς τέχνας καὶ τὰς ἐπιστήμας καὶ τῶν δαιμόνων τὰς τελετὰς καὶ τὰ πρῶτα στοιχεῖα παρὰ βαρβάρων ἐδιδάχθησαν Ἕλληνες καὶ ἐπὶ τοῖς διδασκάλοις ἁβρύνονται, τί δήποτε ὑμεῖς, οὐδὲ ξυνιέναι τὰ ὑπ᾽ ἐκείνων ξυγγεγραμμένα δυνάμενοι, παραιτεῖσθε μαθεῖν τὴν ἀλήθειαν παρ᾽ ἀνδρῶν θεόσδοτον σοφίαν εἰσδεξαμένων;
ei de kai tas technas kai tas epistēmas kai tōn daimonōn tas teletas kai ta prōta stoicheia para barbarōn edidachthēsan Hellēnes kai epi tois didaskalois habrynontai, ti dēpote hymeis, oude xynienai ta hyp᾽ ekeinōn xyngegrammena dynamenoi, paraiteisthe mathein tēn alētheian par᾽ andrōn theosdoton sophian eisdexamenōn?
If the Greeks were taught by barbarians the arts and sciences, the rites of the demons, and the first letters, and pride themselves on their teachers, why do you, who cannot even understand what they wrote, refuse to learn the truth from men who received God-given wisdom?
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Summary: If the Greeks learned so much from barbarians, critics should not refuse truth from the apostles.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.23 (Raeder, 11; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.24Raeder, 11
εἰ δέ, ὅτι οὐκ ἐκ τῆς Ἑλλάδος ἐβλάστησαν, τὰς ἀκοὰς αὐτοῖς ὑπέχειν οὐ βούλεσθε, ὥρα ὑμῖν μήτε Θαλῆν ὀνομάζειν σοφὸν μήτε Πυθαγόραν φιλόσοφον μήτε Φερεκύδην τὸν ἐκείνου διδάσκαλον. ὃ μὲν γὰρ Φερεκύδης Σύριος ἦνς οὐκ ᾿4θηναῖος οὐδὲ Σπαρτιάτης οὐδέ γε Κορίνθιος᾽ τὸν δὲ Πυθαγόραν Ἀριστόξενος καὶ Ἀρίσταρχος καὶ Θεόπομπος Ῥυρρηνὸν εἶναί φασιν, ὁ δὲ Νεάνθης Τύριον ὀνομάζει᾽ τὸν δὲ Θαλῆν οἵ μὲν “Μιλήσιον λέγουσι, «Πέαν-δρος. δὲ καὶ “Ἡρόδοτος Φοίνικα; προσηγύρευσαν᾽ καὶ μέντοι καὶ ὁ Ἀριστοτέλης Σταγειρίτης ἦν, Σινωπεὺς δὲ ὁ Διογένης; καὶ Ἀλυμὰν ὁ Πειρίθου Κροτωνιάτης, ὃν πρῶτόν φασι περὶ φύσεως ξυγγράψαι λόγον" Ἀκραγαντῖνος δὲ ὁ Ἔμπεδονλῆς, Σικελικὴ δὲ αὕτη πόλις.
ei de, hoti ouk ek tēs Hellados eblastēsan, tas akoas autois hypechein ou boulesthe, hōra hymin mēte Thalēn onomazein sophon mēte Pythagoran philosophon mēte Pherekydēn ton ekeinou didaskalon. ho men gar Pherekydēs Syrios ēns ouk ᾿4thēnaios oude Spartiatēs oude ge Korinthios᾽ ton de Pythagoran Aristoxenos kai Aristarchos kai Theopompos Rhyrrēnon einai phasin, ho de Neanthēs Tyrion onomazei᾽ ton de Thalēn hoi men “Milēsion legousi, «Pean-dros. de kai “Hērodotos Phoinika? prosēgyreusan᾽ kai mentoi kai ho Aristotelēs Stageiritēs ēn, Sinōpeus de ho Diogenēs? kai Alyman ho Peirithou Krotōniatēs, hon prōton phasi peri physeōs xyngrapsai logon" Akragantinos de ho Empedonlēs, Sikelikē de hautē polis.
But if you will not lend them your ears because they did not spring from Greece, it is time for you neither to call Thales wise nor Pythagoras a philosopher nor Pherecydes his teacher. For Pherecydes was a Syrian, not an Athenian, a Spartan, or a Corinthian; Aristoxenus, Aristarchus, and Theopompus say Pythagoras was a Tyrrhenian, while Neanthes calls him a Tyrian; some call Thales a Milesian, but Leandrus and Herodotus called him a Phoenician. Aristotle too was a Stagirite, Diogenes a Sinopean, and Alcmaeon son of Pirithous, who they say first wrote a treatise on nature, a Crotoniate; Empedocles was from Acragas, which is a Sicilian city.
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Summary: Many famous sages were not born in Greece proper.
- Herodotus 1.170 calls Thales of Phoenician descent. Theodoret makes Pherecydes 'Syrian', confusing Syros with Syria.
Extrabiblical texts: Herodotus, Hist. 1.170 (Herodotus, Histories; allusion); Theopompus (Theopompus of Chios (fragments); allusion); Aristoxenus (Aristoxenus; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.24 (Raeder, 11; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.25Raeder, 11
Εἰ δὲ ἄρα τοῦτό φατε, ὡς ἔξω μὲν τῆς “Ἑλλάδος καὶ ἔφυσαν οἵδε οἱ ἄνδρες καὶ ἐτράφησαν, τὴν δέ γε “Ἑλληνικὴν ἠσκήθησαν γλῶτταν, πρῶτον μὲν ὁμολογεῖτε καὶ ἐν ἄλλοις ἔθνεσιν ἄνδρας γεγενῆσθαι σοφούς᾽ καὶ γὰρ δὴ καὶ Ζάμολξιν τὸν Θρᾷκα καὶ ᾿ἀνάχαρίσιν τὸν Σκύθην ἐπὶ σοφίᾳ θαυμάζετε, καὶ τῶν Βραχμάνων πολὺ παρ᾽ ὑμῖν τὸ κλέος" Ἰνδοὶ δὲ οὗτοι.
Ei de ara touto phate, hōs exō men tēs “Hellados kai ephysan hoide hoi andres kai etraphēsan, tēn de ge “Hellēnikēn ēskēthēsan glōttan, prōton men homologeite kai en allois ethnesin andras gegenēsthai sophous᾽ kai gar dē kai Zamolxin ton Thrąka kai ᾿anacharisin ton Skythēn epi sophią thaumazete, kai tōn Brachmanōn poly par᾽ hymin to kleos" Indoi de houtoi.
If you say that these men were born and raised outside Greece but trained in the Greek tongue, first you admit that wise men have arisen among other nations too; for you admire Zamolxis the Thracian and Anacharsis the Scythian for wisdom, and the fame of the Brahmans is great among you; these are Indians,
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Summary: The Greeks themselves admire non-Greek sages.
- The sentence continues in 1.26.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.25 (Raeder, 11; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.26Raeder, 12
οὐχ Ἕλληνες. ἔπειτα δὲ καὶ ἑτέρωθεν ἐξελέγχεσθε οὐχ» ὀρθῶς προτιθέντες τῆς ἀληθείας τὴν εὐέπειαν. τὸν γάρ τοι Σωφρονίσκου Σωκράτην ὁμολογεῖτε δήπου καὶ ὑμεῖς τῶν Ἑλληνικῶν φιλοσόφων ἄριστον γεγενῆσθαι" ἀλλ᾽ οὗτος ἐκ λιθοκόπου μὲν ἔφυ πατρός, ἐπὶ πλεῖστον δὲ τὴν πατρῴαν μετελήλυθε τέχνην.
ouch Hellēnes. epeita de kai heterōthen exelenchesthe ouch» orthōs protithentes tēs alētheias tēn euepeian. ton gar toi Sōphroniskou Sōkratēn homologeite dēpou kai hymeis tōn Hellēnikōn philosophōn ariston gegenēsthai" all᾽ houtos ek lithokopou men ephy patros, epi pleiston de tēn patrǭan metelēlythe technēn.
not Greeks. Next, you are refuted from another side, since you wrongly put eloquence before truth. For you surely admit that Socrates son of Sophroniscus was the best of the Greek philosophers; yet he was born of a stonecutter father, and for a very long time practiced his father's craft.
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Summary: Socrates, the best philosopher, was a stonecutter's son and practiced the craft.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.26 (Raeder, 12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.27Raeder, 12
καὶ τοῦτο πολλοὶ μὲν εἰρήπασι καὶ ἄλλοι, καὶ ὁ Πορφύριος δὲ ἐν τῷ τρίτῳ τῆς Φιλοσόφου αὐτοῦ ἱστορίας ξυνέγραψεν᾽ ἔφη δὲ οὕτως" »λέγωμεν περὶ τοῦ Σωπράτους τὰ καὶ παρὰ τοῖς ἄλλοις μνήμης κατηξιωμένα, τὰ μὲν πρὸς ἔπαινον αὐτοῦ καὶ ψόγον πολλαχῶς ὑπὸ τῶν λογίων ἀνδρῶν μεμυθευμένα ἐπ᾽ ὀλίγον φυλοκρινοῦντες, καταλιπόντες δὲ ἀνεξέταστον τὸ εἴτε αὐτὸς εἰργάσατο ξὺν τῷ πατρὶ τὴν λιθοκοπιμὴν τέχνην, εἴτε ὃ πατὴρ αὐτοῦ μόνος. οὐδὲν γὰρ ἐνέχοπτεν αὐτῷ τοῦτο πρὸς σοφίαν πρὸς ὀλίγον χρόνον ἐργασθέν. εἰ δὲ δὴ ἑρμογλύφος ἦν, καὶ μᾶλλον καθάριος γὰρ ἡ τέχνη καὶ οὐ πρὸς ὀνείδο
kai touto polloi men eirēpasi kai alloi, kai ho Porphyrios de en tǭ tritǭ tēs Philosophou autou historias xynegrapsen᾽ ephē de houtōs" »legōmen peri tou Sōpratous ta kai para tois allois mnēmēs katēxiōmena, ta men pros epainon autou kai psogon pollachōs hypo tōn logiōn andrōn memytheumena ep᾽ oligon phylokrinountes, katalipontes de anexetaston to eite autos eirgasato xyn tǭ patri tēn lithokopimēn technēn, eite ho patēr autou monos. ouden gar enechopten autǭ touto pros sophian pros oligon chronon ergasthen. ei de dē hermoglyphos ēn, kai mallon katharios gar hē technē kai ou pros oneido
Many others have said this, and Porphyry wrote it in the third book of his Philosophical History. He said: 'Let us tell about Socrates the things others have thought worth recording, briefly sifting what learned men have told in many ways for praise and blame of him, but leaving unexamined whether he himself practiced the stonecutter's craft with his father or only his father did. For this did him no harm with regard to wisdom, being practiced for a short time. And if he was a sculptor of herms, so much the better; for the craft is clean and not a matter of reproach
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Summary: Porphyry's Philosophical History discusses Socrates' stonecutting.
- Porphyry, Philosophical History, book 3 (fragment); no extrabiblical id exists for this work. The quotation ends at the start of 1.28.
Extrabiblical texts: Porphyry (Porphyry, Philosophical History; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.27 (Raeder, 12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.28Raeder, 12
υς.“ καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς δὲ τῆς αὐτῆς ἔχεται διανοίας" εἰσάγει γάρ τινας λέγοντας λιθουργικῇ τέχνῃ τὸν Σωκράτην χρησάμενον. ἀλλ᾽ ἴσως τὴν μὲν πρώτην ἡλικίαν λιθουργῶν διετέλεσεν, ὕστερον δέ, λόγων ποιητιμῶν καὶ δητορικῶν ἐρασθείς, παιδείας μετέλαχεν.
ys.“ kai ta hexēs de tēs autēs echetai dianoias" eisagei gar tinas legontas lithourgikę̄ technę̄ ton Sōkratēn chrēsamenon. all᾽ isōs tēn men prōtēn hēlikian lithourgōn dietelesen, hysteron de, logōn poiētimōn kai dētorikōn erastheis, paideias metelachen.
...'. What follows holds to the same sense, for he introduces some who say that Socrates practiced the stoneworker's craft. But perhaps he spent his early youth working stone, and later, having fallen in love with poetry and rhetoric, acquired an education.
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Summary: Theodoret considers whether Socrates was educated later in life.
- The section begins with the last letters of the word 'reproach' from the quotation in 1.27.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.28 (Raeder, 12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.29Raeder, 12
ἀλλ᾽ οὐδὲ τοῦτο ἔστιν εἰπεῖν᾽ πᾶν γὰρ τοὐναντίον εἶπεν ὁ Πορφύριος. λέγει δὲ οὕτως" εἶναι δὲ αὐτὸν πρὸς οὐδὲν μὲν ἀφυῆ, ἀπαίδευτον δὲ περὶ πάντα, ὡς ἁπλῶς εἰπεῖν᾽ σχεδὸν γὰρ οὐδὲ γράμματα πάνυ τι ἐπίστασθαι, ἀλλ᾽ εἶναι γελοῖον, ὑπότε τι δέοι ἢ γράψαι
all᾽ oude touto estin eipein᾽ pan gar tounantion eipen ho Porphyrios. legei de houtōs" einai de auton pros ouden men aphyē, apaideuton de peri panta, hōs haplōs eipein᾽ schedon gar oude grammata pany ti epistasthai, all᾽ einai geloion, hypote ti deoi ē grapsai
But one cannot say even this; for Porphyry said the very opposite. He speaks thus: 'He was not ill-endowed for anything, but uneducated in everything, so to speak; for he hardly knew his letters at all, but was ridiculous whenever he had to write
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Summary: Porphyry says Socrates was almost unlettered.
- Porphyry, Philosophical History (fragment). The sentence continues in 1.30.
Extrabiblical texts: Porphyry (Porphyry, Philosophical History; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.29 (Raeder, 12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.30Raeder, 13
ἢ ἀναγνῶναι, βατταρίξοντα ὥσπερ τὰ παιδία.“ καὶ ὁ Πλάτῶν δὲ αὐτὸν ἐν, ᾿Απολογίᾳ τοιάδε τέθεικε λέγοντα᾽ «οὐ μέντοι, νὴ Δία, ὦ ἄνδρες ᾿Αθηναῖοι, κδμαλλιεπημένους γε λόγους; ὥσπερ οἵ τούτων; ῥήμασί τε καὶ ὀνόμασιν. οὐδὲ κεκοσμημένους, ἀλλ᾽ ἀκούσεσθε εἰκῇ λεγόμενα τοῖς ἐπιτυχοῦσιν ὀνόμασιν. καὶ μετ᾽ ὀλίγα δὲ ταῦτα πάλιν προστέθεικεν᾽.»"αἱ δὴ καὶ νῦν ὑμῶν τοῦτο δέομαι δίκαιον, ὥς γέ μον δοκῶ, τὸν σκοπὸν τῆς λέξεως ἐᾶν (ἴσως μὲν γὰρ χείρῶν, ἴσως δὲ βελτίων ἂν εἴη), αὐτὸ δὲ τοῦτο σκοπεῖν καὶ
ē anagnōnai, battarixonta hōsper ta paidia.“ kai ho Platōn de auton en, ᾿Apologią toiade tetheike legonta᾽ «ou mentoi, nē Dia, ō andres ᾿Athēnaioi, kdmalliepēmenous ge logous? hōsper hoi toutōn? rhēmasi te kai onomasin. oude kekosmēmenous, all᾽ akousesthe eikę̄ legomena tois epitychousin onomasin. kai met᾽ oliga de tauta palin prostetheiken᾽.»"hai dē kai nyn hymōn touto deomai dikaion, hōs ge mon dokō, ton skopon tēs lexeōs ean (isōs men gar cheirōn, isōs de beltiōn an eiē), auto de touto skopein kai
or read, stammering like children.' And Plato in the Apology makes him say this: 'Not, by Zeus, men of Athens, speeches elegantly worded like theirs, adorned with phrases and words; but you will hear things said at random in whatever words come to hand.' And a little later he adds again: 'And now I ask of you this, which seems to me just: leave aside the manner of my speech (perhaps it is worse, perhaps better), and consider this alone and
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Summary: Plato's Apology shows Socrates disclaiming fine speech.
- Plato, Apology 17b–c and 18a. The second quotation ends in 1.31.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Apol. 17b–c (Plato (works); quotation); Plato, Apol. 18a (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.30 (Raeder, 13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.31Raeder, 13
τούτῳ τὸν νοῦν προσέχειν, εἰ δίκαια λέγω.“ ἀλλ᾽ ὕμως καὶ ἀμαθῆ γε γλῶτταν καὶ ἀπαίδευτον ἐσχηκώς, οὐ μόνον τῶν ἄλλων ἁπάντων, ἀλλὰ καὶ Πλάτωνος τοῦ ἅπαντας “Ἕλληνας δὐεπείᾳ νενικηκότος αἰδοῦς ἀξιώτερος ἦν. καὶ τοῦτο οὐδ᾽ ἂν αὐτὸς ὁ ᾿ἀφίστωνος ἀρνηθείη. πῶς γάρ, ὅ γε πάντας ὅσους ὦδινε λόγους ἐκείνῳ προσαναθείς τὲ καὶ προσαρμόσας καὶ τῆς ἐκείνου διανοίας ἐκγόνους εἶναι [ παρασκευἄσας νομίξεσθαι;
toutǭ ton noun prosechein, ei dikaia legō.“ all᾽ hymōs kai amathē ge glōttan kai apaideuton eschēkōs, ou monon tōn allōn hapantōn, alla kai Platōnos tou hapantas “Hellēnas dyepeią nenikēkotos aidous axiōteros ēn. kai touto oud᾽ an autos ho ᾿aphistōnos arnētheiē. pōs gar, ho ge pantas hosous ōdine logous ekeinǭ prosanatheis te kai prosarmosas kai tēs ekeinou dianoias ekgonous einai [ paraskeuasas nomixesthai?
pay attention to this, whether what I say is just.' Yet although he had an untaught and uneducated tongue, he was more deserving of respect not only than all the others but even than Plato, who surpassed all the Greeks in eloquence. Even the son of Ariston himself would not deny this. How could he, who attributed and fitted to Socrates all the discourses he labored over, and arranged for them to be thought the offspring of Socrates' mind?
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Summary: Unlearned Socrates was more honored than eloquent Plato, who put his own works in Socrates' mouth.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Apol. 18a (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.31 (Raeder, 13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.32Raeder, 13
ὅτι δὲ καὶ οὗτος, ὁ ἅπαντας ἀνθρώπους χαὶ οὐ τοὺς ἄλλους Ἕλληνας μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ αὐτοὺς ᾿4θηναίους εὐγλωττίᾳ καὶ ὀνομάτων κάλλει πάμπαν ἀποπρύψας, μὴ τῇ πομψείᾳ τῶν λόγων, ἀλλὰ τῇ τῶν ἐνθυμημάτων ἁρμονίᾳ προσέχειν παρεγγυῇ, ἀκούσατε αὐτοῦ διαρρήδην ἐν τῷ Πολιτυκῷ λέγοντος «»«κἂν διαφυλάξῃς τὸ μὴ σπουδάζειν ἐπὶ τοῖς ὀνόμασι, πλουσιώτερος εἰς τὸ γῆρας ἀναφανήσῃ
hoti de kai houtos, ho hapantas anthrōpous chai ou tous allous Hellēnas monon, alla kai autous ᾿4thēnaious euglōttią kai onomatōn kallei pampan apoprypsas, mē tę̄ pompseią tōn logōn, alla tę̄ tōn enthymēmatōn harmonią prosechein parengyę̄, akousate autou diarrēdēn en tǭ Politykǭ legontos «»«kan diaphylaxę̄s to mē spoudazein epi tois onomasi, plousiōteros eis to gēras anaphanēsę̄
And that even Plato, who completely outshone all people, not only the other Greeks but the Athenians themselves, in fluency and beauty of words, urges us to attend not to the elegance of speech but to the harmony of thoughts, hear him say plainly in the Statesman: 'If you guard against being serious about words, you will be found richer in wisdom
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Summary: Plato himself urges attention to thought rather than words.
- Plato, Statesman 261e. The quotation ends in 1.33.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Pol. 261e (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.32 (Raeder, 13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.33Raeder, 14
φρονήσεως.“ ἀκούσατε δὲ καὶ ἔν τῷ πέμπτῳ τῆς Πολιτείας οἷά φησιν" «τούτους οὖν ἅπαντας καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους τοιούτων τινῶν μαθηματικοὺς καὶ τοὺς τῶν τεχνυδρίων φιλοσόφους θήσομεν; οὐδαμῶς, εἶπον, ἀλλ᾽ ὁμοίους φιλοσόφοις. τοὺς ὃ ἀληθινούς, ἔφη, τίνας λέγεις: τοὺς τῆς ἀληθείας, ἦν δ ἐγώ, φιλοθεάμονας. οὐ γὰρ ἕν γεωμετρίᾳ, αἰτήματα καὶ ὑποθέσεις ἐχούσῃ, φιλοσοφία, οὐδ᾽ ἐν μουσικῇ, στοχαστικῇ γε οὔσῃ, οὐδ᾽ ἐν ἀστρονομίᾳ, φυσικῶν καὶ ῥεόντων καὶ εἰκότων βεβυσμένῃ λόγων, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτοῦ τἀγαθοῦ δι’ ἐπιστήμης
phronēseōs.“ akousate de kai en tǭ pemptǭ tēs Politeias hoia phēsin" «toutous oun hapantas kai tous allous toioutōn tinōn mathēmatikous kai tous tōn technydriōn philosophous thēsomen? oudamōs, eipon, all᾽ homoious philosophois. tous ho alēthinous, ephē, tinas legeis: tous tēs alētheias, ēn d egō, philotheamonas. ou gar hen geōmetrią, aitēmata kai hypotheseis echousę̄, philosophia, oud᾽ en mousikę̄, stochastikę̄ ge ousę̄, oud᾽ en astronomią, physikōn kai rheontōn kai eikotōn bebysmenę̄ logōn, all᾽ autou tagathou di’ epistēmēs
when you reach old age.' Hear also what he says in the fifth book of the Republic: 'Shall we then call all these, and the others who learn such things, and the masters of the petty arts, philosophers? Not at all, I said, but like philosophers. Whom then, he said, do you call the true ones? Those who love the sight of the truth, I said. For philosophy is not in geometry, which has postulates and hypotheses, nor in music, which is conjectural, nor in astronomy, crammed with physical, fluid, and probable reasonings, but in knowledge of the good itself
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Summary: Plato's Republic distinguishes true philosophers, lovers of truth, from those skilled in the arts.
- Plato, Republic 5.475d–e; the sentence on geometry, music, and astronomy is not found there in this form and appears to be a later addition to the quotation (source uncertain). The quotation ends in 1.34.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Resp. 475d–e (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.33 (Raeder, 14; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.34Raeder, 14
καὶ τῆς ἀληθείας.“ ἀκούσατε, ὦ ἄνδρες, τοῦ φιλοσόφου τοὺς μὲν τῆς μουσικῆς καὶ τῆς γεωμετρίας καὶ τῶν ἄλλων τῶν τοιούτων ἐπιστήμονας οὐ φιλοσόφους, ἀλλ᾽. ὁμοίους φιλοσόφοις προδαγορεύσαντος, τοὺς δὲ τῆς ἀληθείας διδασκάλους ἀληθινοὺς ὄντως ὀνομάσαντος φιλοσόφους.
kai tēs alētheias.“ akousate, ō andres, tou philosophou tous men tēs mousikēs kai tēs geōmetrias kai tōn allōn tōn toioutōn epistēmonas ou philosophous, all᾽. homoious philosophois prodagoreusantos, tous de tēs alētheias didaskalous alēthinous ontōs onomasantos philosophous.
and of the truth.' Hear, gentlemen, the philosopher declaring that those versed in music, geometry, and the other such sciences are not philosophers but like philosophers, and calling the teachers of truth the truly real philosophers.
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Summary: Theodoret draws the lesson that teachers of truth are the true philosophers.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.34 (Raeder, 14; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.35Raeder, 14
καὶ ἐν τῷ τρίτῳ δὲ τῶν Νόμων ταῦτά φησιν"..τοῦτο μὲν τοίνυν οὕτω πείσθω δεδογμένον καὶ λεγόμενον, ὡς τοῖς ταῦτα ἀμαθαίνουσι τῶν πολιτῶν οὐδὲν ἐπιτρεπτέον ἀρχῆς ἐχόμενον καὶ ὡς ἀγνοοῦσιν ὀνειδιστέον, κἂν πάνυ λογιστικοὶ ὧσι καὶ πάντα κομψὰ καὶ ὅσα πρὸς αὔξην τῆς ψυχῆς πεφυκότα διαπεπονημένοι ἅπαντα᾽ τοὺς δὲ τοὐναντίον ἔχοντας, τούτους ὡς σοφούς τὲ προσρητέον, κἂν, τὸ λεγόμενον, μήτε γράμματα μήτε νεῖν ἐπίὅτωνται, καὶ τὰς ἀρχὰς ἐγχειριστέον ὡς ἔμφροσιν.“
kai en tǭ tritǭ de tōn Nomōn tauta phēsin"..touto men toinyn houtō peisthō dedogmenon kai legomenon, hōs tois tauta amathainousi tōn politōn ouden epitrepteon archēs echomenon kai hōs agnoousin oneidisteon, kan pany logistikoi hōsi kai panta kompsa kai hosa pros auxēn tēs psychēs pephykota diapeponēmenoi hapanta᾽ tous de tounantion echontas, toutous hōs sophous te prosrēteon, kan, to legomenon, mēte grammata mēte nein epiotōntai, kai tas archas encheiristeon hōs emphrosin.“
And in the third book of the Laws he says this: 'Let this then be settled as decided and declared: that to those citizens who are ignorant of these things nothing involving rule is to be entrusted, and they are to be reproached as ignorant, even if they are very good at calculation and have worked through every subtlety and everything that naturally contributes to the growth of the soul; but those of the opposite condition are to be called wise, even if, as the saying goes, they know neither letters nor how to swim, and offices are to be entrusted to them as to sensible men.'
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Summary: Plato's Laws calls wise those who know the essential things even if unlettered.
- Plato, Laws 3.689c–d.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Leg. 689c–d (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.35 (Raeder, 14; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.36Raeder, 15
Πῶς ἄν τις ἀληθέστερόν τε καὶ σαφέστερον τὴν νῦν δὴ κατέχουσαν ἀπαιδευσίαν ἐξελέγχοι καὶ οἴησιν; τῶν γὰρ δὴ φιλοσύφων ὁ πολοφὼν οὐκ ἐν μαθήσει γραμμάτων, ἀλλ ἐν ἀληθείας γνώσει τὴν σοφίαν ὁρίζεται" καὶ τοὺς μὲν ταύ- (τὴν ἐπισταμένους, κἂν μηδὲ τὰ πρῶτα στοιχεῖα γινώσκοιεν, ὀνομάζεν σοφούς" τοὺς δὲ διὰ πάσης ἐληλυθότας παιδείας, ἀληθείας δὲ καὶ δικαιοσύνης τὴν ἐπιστήμην οὐκ ἔχοντας, ἀποπρίνεν καὶ ἐξελαύνει καὶ ἄρχειν οὖ» ἐπιτρέπει.
Pōs an tis alēthesteron te kai saphesteron tēn nyn dē katechousan apaideusian exelenchoi kai oiēsin? tōn gar dē philosyphōn ho polophōn ouk en mathēsei grammatōn, all en alētheias gnōsei tēn sophian horizetai" kai tous men tau- (tēn epistamenous, kan mēde ta prōta stoicheia ginōskoien, onomazen sophous" tous de dia pasēs elēlythotas paideias, alētheias de kai dikaiosynēs tēn epistēmēn ouk echontas, apoprinen kai exelaunei kai archein ou» epitrepei.
How could anyone refute more truly and clearly the lack of education and conceit that now prevails? For the crowning figure of the philosophers defines wisdom not as learning letters but as knowledge of truth; he calls wise those who know it, even if they do not know the first letters, while those who have gone through every branch of learning but lack the knowledge of truth and justice he rejects, drives out, and does not allow to rule.
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Summary: Plato defines wisdom as knowledge of truth, not literary learning.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.36 (Raeder, 15; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-36). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.37Raeder, 15
καὶ μέντον κἀν τῷ Θεαιτήτῳ͵ τοὺς μετεωρολέσχας διαβάλλων ὧδε λέγει »ὥσπερ καὶ “Θαλῆν ἀστρονομοῦντα, ὦ Θεόδωρε; καὶ ἄνω βλέποντα, πεσόντα εἰς φρέαρ, Θρᾶττά τις ἐμμελὴς καὶ χαρίεσσα θεραπαινὶς ἀποσκῶψαι λέγεται, ὡς τὰ μὲν ἐν οὐρανῷ προθυμοῖτο εἰδέναι, τὰ δ᾽ ὕπισθεν αὐτοῦ καὶ παρὰ
kai menton kan tǭ Theaitētǭ͵ tous meteōroleschas diaballōn hōde legei »hōsper kai “Thalēn astronomounta, ō Theodōre? kai anō bleponta, pesonta eis phrear, Thratta tis emmelēs kai chariessa therapainis aposkōpsai legetai, hōs ta men en ouranǭ prothymoito eidenai, ta d᾽ hypisthen autou kai para
And in the Theaetetus, attacking those who chatter about the heavens, he says this: 'Just as, Theodorus, when Thales was studying the stars and looking upward and fell into a well, a witty and charming Thracian servant girl is said to have mocked him, saying that he was eager to know the things in heaven, but what was behind him and at his
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Summary: Plato's Theaetetus tells of Thales falling into a well while stargazing.
- Plato, Theaetetus 174a. The quotation ends in 1.38.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Theaet. 174a (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.37 (Raeder, 15; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-37). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.38Raeder, 15
πόδας λανθάνοι αὐτόν“ καὶ αὖθις ἐν τῷ αὐτῷ διαλόγῳ᾽ υἄγροιπον δέ τινα καὶ ἀπαίδευτον ὑπὸ ἀσχολίας οὐδὲν ττὸν τῶν νομέων τὸν τοιοῦτον ἀναγκαῖον γίνεσθαι, σηκὸν ἐν ὄρει τὸ τεῖχος περιβαλλόμενον. γῆς δὲ ὅταν μυρία πλέθρα, ] ἢ εἴ τι πλέον ἀκούσῃ ὥς τις ἄρα κεητημένος θαυμαστὰ πλήθη κέκτηται, πάντα σμικρὰ δοκεῖ ἀκούειν, εἰς
podas lanthanoi auton“ kai authis en tǭ autǭ dialogǭ᾽ yagroipon de tina kai apaideuton hypo ascholias ouden tton tōn nomeōn ton toiouton anankaion ginesthai, sēkon en orei to teichos periballomenon. gēs de hotan myria plethra, ] ē ei ti pleon akousę̄ hōs tis ara keētēmenos thaumasta plēthē kektētai, panta smikra dokei akouein, eis
feet escaped him.' And again in the same dialogue: 'Such a man must become rustic and uneducated for lack of leisure, no less than herdsmen, having a wall around him like a pen on a mountain. And when he hears of ten thousand acres of land or more, that someone owns an amazing amount, he thinks he hears of very little, being accustomed to look
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Summary: Plato's Theaetetus describes the ruler as a rustic herdsman.
- Plato, Theaetetus 174d–e. The quotation ends in 1.39.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Theaet. 174d–e (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.38 (Raeder, 15; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-38). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.39Raeder, 15
ἅπασαν εἰωθὼς τὴν γῆν βλέπεινΞ πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἐπιλέγει καὶ ταῦτα᾽..ἡ μὲν γὰρ τούτου γνῶσίς τε καὶ ἀρετὴ ἀληθινή, ἡ δὲ ἄγνοια καὶ κοκία ἐναργής, αἱ δὲ ἄλλαν δεινότητες δοκοῦσαι καὶ σοφίαι γίνεσθαι ἐν μὲν πολιτείαις καὶ δυναστ
hapasan eiōthōs tēn gēn blepeinX pros de toutois epilegei kai tauta᾽..hē men gar toutou gnōsis te kai aretē alēthinē, hē de agnoia kai kokia enargēs, hai de allan deinotētes dokousai kai sophiai ginesthai en men politeiais kai dynast
at the whole earth.' And besides this he adds the following: 'For the knowledge of this is wisdom and true virtue, and ignorance of it is manifest folly and vice; and the other things that seem to be cleverness and wisdom, when found in politics and positions of power,
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Summary: Plato says true wisdom is knowledge of God's justice.
- Plato, Theaetetus 176c. The quotation ends in 1.40.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Theaet. 176c (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.39 (Raeder, 15; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.40Raeder, 16
είαις γινόμεναι, φορτικαί, ἐν δὲ τέχναις, βάναυσοι.“ οὕτως ἄρα ἔδεσαν ἀκριβῶς καὶ οἵ πᾶσαν λόγων ἰδέαν μεμωθηκότες, ὑπόσον ἡ ἀλήθεια βημάτων τε καὶ ὀνομάτων τιμαλφεστέρα, καὶ ὡς οὐδὲν ταύτην λωβᾶται τῆς τοιαύτης κομψείας ἣ ὄγνοια,
eiais ginomenai, phortikai, en de technais, banausoi.“ houtōs ara edesan akribōs kai hoi pasan logōn idean memōthēkotes, hyposon hē alētheia bēmatōn te kai onomatōn timalphestera, kai hōs ouden tautēn lōbatai tēs toiautēs kompseias hē ognoia,
are vulgar, and in the arts, mechanical.' So well did even those who had learned every form of speech know how much more precious truth is than phrases and words, and that ignorance of such elegance does it no harm.
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Summary: Even masters of speech knew truth is worth more than elegance.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.40 (Raeder, 16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-40). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.41Raeder, 16
᾿άνθ᾽ ὅτου δὴ οὖν, ὦ φίλοι ἄνδρες, τῆς ἀποστολικῆς διδασκαλίας τὴν μὲν διάνοιαν καταμαθεῖν οὐκ ἐθέλετε, τὸ δὲ βαρβαρόφωνον ὀνειδίξετε μόνον, καὶ ταῦτα τῶν ὑμετέρων᾽ ἐπαΐοντες φιλοσόφων, ὡς Ἕλληνες μὲν τῆς ἀληθείας ἀπεπλανήθησαν, βάρβαροι δὲ μᾶλλον ταύτην ἐξεῦρον;
᾿anth᾽ hotou dē oun, ō philoi andres, tēs apostolikēs didaskalias tēn men dianoian katamathein ouk ethelete, to de barbarophōnon oneidixete monon, kai tauta tōn hymeterōn᾽ epaïontes philosophōn, hōs Hellēnes men tēs alētheias apeplanēthēsan, barbaroi de mallon tautēn exeuron?
Why then, my friends, do you refuse to learn the meaning of the apostolic teaching and only reproach its barbarous speech, though you hear your own philosophers say that the Greeks strayed from the truth, while barbarians rather found it?
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Summary: Theodoret asks why critics scorn apostolic speech when their own philosophers credit barbarians with truth.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.41 (Raeder, 16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-41). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.42Raeder, 16
καὶ γὰρ Πορφύριος ἐκεῖνος, ὃ τὸν πρὸς ἡμᾶς ἐκθύμως ἀναδεξάμενος πόλεμον, ἐν τοῖς Περὶ τῆς ἐκ λογίων φιλοσοφίας οὕτως ἔφη" οχαλκόδετος γὰρ ἡ πρὸς θεοὺς ὁδός, αἰπεινή τὲ καὶ τραχεῖα᾽ ἧς πολλὰς ἀτραποὺς βάρβαροι μὲν ἐξεῦρον, Ἕλληνες δὲ ἀπεπλανήθησαν᾽ οἵ δὲ κρατοῦντες ἤδη καὶ διέφθειραν᾽ τὴν δὲ εὕρεσιν ὃ θεὸς “Αἰγυπτίοις ἐμαρτύρησε, Φοίνιξί τε καὶ Χαλδαίοις, «Δυδοῖς τε καὶ “Ἑβραίοις.
kai gar Porphyrios ekeinos, ho ton pros hēmas ekthymōs anadexamenos polemon, en tois Peri tēs ek logiōn philosophias houtōs ephē" ochalkodetos gar hē pros theous hodos, aipeinē te kai tracheia᾽ hēs pollas atrapous barbaroi men exeuron, Hellēnes de apeplanēthēsan᾽ hoi de kratountes ēdē kai diephtheiran᾽ tēn de heuresin ho theos “Aigyptiois emartyrēse, Phoinixi te kai Chaldaiois, «Dydois te kai “Hebraiois.
For that Porphyry, who furiously took up the war against us, said this in his work On the Philosophy from Oracles: 'For the road to the gods is bound with bronze, steep and rough; barbarians found many of its paths, but Greeks strayed, and those already in power even destroyed it. The god testified that the discovery belonged to Egyptians, Phoenicians and Chaldeans, Lydians and Hebrews.'
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Summary: Porphyry admits that barbarians, including Hebrews, found the way to the gods while Greeks strayed.
- Porphyry, Philosophy from Oracles (fragment), citing an oracle of Apollo.
Extrabiblical texts: Porphyry, Porphyry, Phil. orac. (Porphyry, Philosophy from Oracles (fragments); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.42 (Raeder, 16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-42). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.43Raeder, 16
“εἰ δὲ καὶ ὃ πάντῶν ἡμῖν ἔχθιστος κατηγορεῖ μὲν Ἑλλήνων ὡς πλάνῃ δεδουλευκότων, “Ἑβραίοις δὲ καὶ Φοίνιξι καὶ «Αἰγυπτίοις καὶ Χαλδαίοις μαρτυρεῖ τὴν ἀλήθειαν, καὶ ταῦτα τὸν Ἀπόλλω ἔφησεν ἀνελεῖν, τί δήποτε μὴ πείθεσθε μὲν τῷ φιλοσόφῳ, δέχεσθε δὲ τοῦ 4Δελφιποῦ τρίποδος τὸν χρησμὸν καὶ τὰς. ἀκοὰς τοῖς Ἑβραίων προφήταις καὶ ἀποστόλοις ὑπέχετε;
“ei de kai ho pantōn hēmin echthistos katēgorei men Hellēnōn hōs planę̄ dedouleukotōn, “Hebraiois de kai Phoinixi kai «Aigyptiois kai Chaldaiois martyrei tēn alētheian, kai tauta ton Apollō ephēsen anelein, ti dēpote mē peithesthe men tǭ philosophǭ, dechesthe de tou 4Delphipou tripodos ton chrēsmon kai tas. akoas tois Hebraiōn prophētais kai apostolois hypechete?
If even the bitterest enemy of us all accuses the Greeks of having been slaves to error and testifies that the Hebrews, Phoenicians, Egyptians, and Chaldeans have the truth, and says that Apollo pronounced this, why do you not believe the philosopher, and accept the oracle of the Delphic tripod, and lend your ears to the prophets and apostles of the Hebrews?
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Summary: Theodoret urges the pagans to accept Porphyry's own witness and listen to the Hebrew prophets and apostles.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.43 (Raeder, 16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-43). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.44Raeder, 16
καὶ γὰρ ὃ Πύθιος τούτους εὑρετὰς ἀληθείας ὠνόμασεν. εἰ δὲ καὶ Αἰγυπτίους καὶ Χαλδαίους καὶ Φοίνικας τούτοις ξυνέζευξεν, ἰστέον ὡς καὶ Φοίνικες, πρόσχωροι τούτων ὄντες καὶ ἀγχιτέρμονες, παρὰ τούτων ἔμαθον, εἴπερ ἔμαθον, τὴν ἀλήθειαν. καὶ μέντοι καὶ Αἰγύπτιοι πλεῖστον ὅσον τῆς τούτῶν μετοικίας ἀπώναντο᾽ συχνὸν γὰρ ᾧκησαν χρόνον Ἑβραῖον τὴν Αἴγυπτον.
kai gar ho Pythios toutous heuretas alētheias ōnomasen. ei de kai Aigyptious kai Chaldaious kai Phoinikas toutois xynezeuxen, isteon hōs kai Phoinikes, proschōroi toutōn ontes kai anchitermones, para toutōn emathon, eiper emathon, tēn alētheian. kai mentoi kai Aigyptioi pleiston hoson tēs toutōn metoikias apōnanto᾽ sychnon gar hǭkēsan chronon Hebraion tēn Aigypton.
For the Pythian god called these the discoverers of truth. And if he joined the Egyptians, Chaldeans, and Phoenicians to them, one must know that the Phoenicians, being their neighbors and bordering on them, learned the truth from them, if indeed they learned it; and the Egyptians too profited very greatly from their sojourn, for the Hebrews lived in Egypt a long time.
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Summary: The other peoples named by the oracle learned truth from the Hebrews.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.44 (Raeder, 16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-44). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.45Raeder, 17
καὶ Χαλδαῖοι δὲ ὡσαύτως ἐκ τούτων μεγίστην ὠφέλειαν ἐδρέψαντο᾽ ἀνδραποδίσαντες γὰρ αὐτοὺς εἰς Βαβυλῶνα κατῴκισαν᾽ εἶτα ἐκ τῶν αὐτόθι γεγενημένων θαυμάτων περί τε τὴν κάμινον καὶ τοὺς λέοντας ἀξιοχρέους εἶναι διδασκάλους ἀληθείας ὑπέλαβον.
kai Chaldaioi de hōsautōs ek toutōn megistēn ōpheleian edrepsanto᾽ andrapodisantes gar autous eis Babylōna katǭkisan᾽ eita ek tōn autothi gegenēmenōn thaumatōn peri te tēn kaminon kai tous leontas axiochreous einai didaskalous alētheias hypelabon.
The Chaldeans likewise reaped the greatest benefit from them; for having enslaved them, they settled them in Babylon; then, from the miracles that took place there concerning the furnace and the lions, they came to regard them as trustworthy teachers of truth.
Dan 3:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Dan 6:16 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The Chaldeans learned from the Hebrew exiles through the miracles of the furnace and the lions.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.45 (Raeder, 17; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-45). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.46Raeder, 17
καὶ Κῦρος δὲ ὁ Καμβύσου, τὸν Ζαννὴλ ὁμοδίαιτον ἐσχηκώς, τῶν τῆς θεοσεβείας μετέλαχε μαθημάτων᾽ “υδοὺς δὲ καταστρεψάμενος καὶ τούτους ὑποχειρίους λαβών, μετέδωμε δήπου τοῖς ὑπηκόοις ὧν παρ᾽ ἐκείνου μεμάθηκεν.
kai Kyros de ho Kambysou, ton Zannēl homodiaiton eschēkōs, tōn tēs theosebeias metelache mathēmatōn᾽ “ydous de katastrepsamenos kai toutous hypocheirious labōn, metedōme dēpou tois hypēkoois hōn par᾽ ekeinou memathēken.
And Cyrus son of Cambyses, who had Daniel as a companion, received a share of the teachings of godliness; and having overthrown the Lydians and made them his subjects, he no doubt passed on to his subjects what he had learned from him.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Dan 6:28 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Cyrus learned from Daniel and passed the teaching to the Lydians.
- Theodoret's inference that Cyrus taught the Lydians is his own conjecture.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.46 (Raeder, 17; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-46). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.47Raeder, 17
Ὅτι μὲν οὖν 'Ββραίοις ἀλήθειαν καὶ ὃ Ἰτύθιος ἐμαρ- τύρησε, καὶ ὃ Πορφύριος ἀπεμνημόνευσε τοῦ χρησμοῦ, ἀπόχρη δηλῶσαι καὶ ταῦτα ὅτι δὲ τῶν παρ᾽ Ἕλλησι φιλο: σόφων πλείστην ἄγνοιαν οὗτος πάλιν κατηγορεῖ, ἀκούσατε οἷά φησιν ἐν οἷς Πρὸς Βοηθὸν περὶ ψυχῆς ἔγραψεν.
Hoti men oun 'Bbraiois alētheian kai ho Itythios emar- tyrēse, kai ho Porphyrios apemnēmoneuse tou chrēsmou, apochrē dēlōsai kai tauta hoti de tōn par᾽ Hellēsi philo: sophōn pleistēn agnoian houtos palin katēgorei, akousate hoia phēsin en hois Pros Boēthon peri psychēs egrapsen.
That the Pythian god testified that the Hebrews had the truth, and that Porphyry recorded the oracle, this suffices to show. But that this same man again accuses the philosophers among the Greeks of very great ignorance, hear what he says in what he wrote To Boethus on the Soul.
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Summary: Porphyry also accuses Greek philosophers of ignorance.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.47 (Raeder, 17; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-47). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.48Raeder, 17
λέγει δὲ πρὸς πολλοῖς ἑτέροις καὶ ταῦτα᾽,»τίς γὰρ λόγος τῶν ἐν φιλοσοφίᾳ οὐκ ἀμφισβητήσιμος:“ καὶ πρὸς ᾿Ανεβὼ δὲ τὸν Αἰγύπτιον τοιαῦτα γέγραφεν᾽ οιἄρξομαι δὲ τῆς πρὸς σὲ φιλίας ἀπὸ θεῶν καὶ δαιμόνων ἀγαθῶν τῶν τε τούτοις ξυγγενῶν φιλοσοφημάτων᾽ περὶ ὧν εἴρηταν μὲν πλεῖστα καὶ παρὰ τοῖς Ἑλλήνων φιλοσόφοις, εἴρηται δ᾽ ἐκ στοχασμοῦ υ τὸ πλέον τὰς ἀρχὰς ἔχον τῆς πίστεως.“ καὶ αὖθις μετ᾽ ὀλίγα᾽ «παρὰ μὲν γὰρ ἡμῖν λογομαχία τίς ἐστι πολλή, ἅτε ἐξ ἀνθρωπίνων λογισμῶν τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ εἰκαζομένου" οἷς δὲ μεμηχάνηται πρὸς τὸ κρεῖττον ξυνουσία, ἀεὶ παρεῖται τὸ
legei de pros pollois heterois kai tauta᾽,»tis gar logos tōn en philosophią ouk amphisbētēsimos:“ kai pros ᾿Anebō de ton Aigyption toiauta gegraphen᾽ oiarxomai de tēs pros se philias apo theōn kai daimonōn agathōn tōn te toutois xyngenōn philosophēmatōn᾽ peri hōn eirētan men pleista kai para tois Hellēnōn philosophois, eirētai d᾽ ek stochasmou y to pleon tas archas echon tēs pisteōs.“ kai authis met᾽ oliga᾽ «para men gar hēmin logomachia tis esti pollē, hate ex anthrōpinōn logismōn tou agathou eikazomenou" hois de memēchanētai pros to kreitton xynousia, aei pareitai to
Among many other things he says this: 'For what argument among those in philosophy is not disputable?' And to Anebo the Egyptian he wrote thus: 'I will begin my friendship with you from the gods and the good demons and the philosophical teachings akin to them; about which very much has been said also by the philosophers of the Greeks, but most of it has been said from conjecture, having its foundations in belief.' And again, a little later: 'For among us there is much battling over words, since the good is guessed at from human reasonings; but those who have devised a way of converse with the higher being have always left
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Summary: Porphyry admits Greek philosophy is conjecture and quarrel over words.
- Porphyry, To Boethus on the Soul (fragment) and Letter to Anebo (fragment). The last quotation ends in 1.49.
Extrabiblical texts: Porphyry, Boeth. (Porphyry, Against Boethus, On the Soul; quotation); Porphyry, Anebo (Porphyry, Letter to Anebo; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.48 (Raeder, 17; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-48). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.49Raeder, 18
μέρος τοῦτο εἰς ἐξέτασιν.“ εἰ τοίνυν ἀμφισβητήσιμα μὲν τὰ τῶν φιλοσόφων δόγματα (λογισμῶν γάρ ἐστιν ἀνθρωπίνων εὑρέματα), ἔρις δὲ πολλὴ παρ᾽ αὐτοῖς καὶ λογομαχία τίς ἄσπονδος, ἄλλοις δὲ τισι τὴν πρὸς Θεὸν ξυνουσίαν τε καὶ ὁμιλίαν ὁ Πορφύριος μεμαρτύρηκε, τοῦ δὴ χάριν, ὦ φιλότης, τῶν μὲν ἀνθρωπίνων καὶ ἀμφιβόλων ἐξήρτησθε λόγων, τῶν δὲ θεοφιλῶν ἀνδρῶν οὐ προσίεσθε τὰ μαθήματα;
meros touto eis exetasin.“ ei toinyn amphisbētēsima men ta tōn philosophōn dogmata (logismōn gar estin anthrōpinōn heuremata), eris de pollē par᾽ autois kai logomachia tis aspondos, allois de tisi tēn pros Theon xynousian te kai homilian ho Porphyrios memartyrēke, tou dē charin, ō philotēs, tōn men anthrōpinōn kai amphibolōn exērtēsthe logōn, tōn de theophilōn andrōn ou prosiesthe ta mathēmata?
this part aside from examination.' If then the doctrines of the philosophers are disputable (for they are the discoveries of human reasonings), and there is much strife among them and a truceless battle over words, while Porphyry has testified that converse and fellowship with God belong to certain others, why, my friend, do you hang on human and doubtful words and not accept the teachings of men dear to God?
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Summary: Since philosophy is disputed, the critics should accept the teaching of men dear to God.
Extrabiblical texts: Porphyry, Anebo (Porphyry, Letter to Anebo; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.49 (Raeder, 18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-49). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.50Raeder, 18
ὡς βαρβάρους μὲν γὰρ εἰ παραιτεῖσθε, ἐναντία ὑμῖν αὐτοῖς ἂν ποιοῖτε᾽ πείθεσθε γὰρ καὶ Πυθαγόρᾳ, Τυρρηνῷ κατά τινας ὄντι, Τυρίῳ δὲ καθ' ἑτέρους, καὶ τῷ Σταγειφίτῃ δὲ κέχρησθε διδασκάλῳ καὶ τὸν Σινωπέα θαυμάξετε καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους, οἱ πατρίδας οὐχ Ἕλληνικάς, ἀλλὰ βαρβάρους ἐσχήκασιν" ἀπεδείξαμεν δὲ καὶ τὸν Σόλωνα καὶ τὸν Πλάτωνα πλεῖστα παρὰ βαρβάρων μεμαθηκότας".
hōs barbarous men gar ei paraiteisthe, enantia hymin autois an poioite᾽ peithesthe gar kai Pythagorą, Tyrrēnǭ kata tinas onti, Tyriǭ de kath' heterous, kai tǭ Stageiphitę̄ de kechrēsthe didaskalǭ kai ton Sinōpea thaumaxete kai tous allous, hoi patridas ouch Hellēnikas, alla barbarous eschēkasin" apedeixamen de kai ton Solōna kai ton Platōna pleista para barbarōn memathēkotas".
For if you reject them as barbarians, you would be acting against yourselves; for you believe Pythagoras, a Tyrrhenian according to some and a Tyrian according to others; you use the Stagirite as your teacher, you admire the Sinopean and the others whose homelands were not Greek but barbarian; and we have shown that Solon and Plato learned very much from barbarians.
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Summary: Rejecting barbarians would mean rejecting many admired philosophers.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.50 (Raeder, 18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-50). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.51Raeder, 18
ἀκούομεν δὲ καὶ τοῦ Αἰγυπτίου ἱερέως πρὸς τὸν Σόλωνα λέγοντος (τοῦ Πλάτωγος δὲ καὶ ταῦτα ἐν τῷ Τιμαίῳ γεγραμμένα)" οοὦ Σόλων, Σόλων, Ἕλληνες ὑμεῖς ἀεὶ παῖδές ἔστε, 7ένῶν δὲ Ἕλλην
akouomen de kai tou Aigyptiou hiereōs pros ton Solōna legontos (tou Platōgos de kai tauta en tǭ Timaiǭ gegrammena)" ooō Solōn, Solōn, Hellēnes hymeis aei paides este, 7enōn de Hellēn
And we hear the Egyptian priest saying to Solon (this too is written by Plato in the Timaeus): 'O Solon, Solon, you Greeks are always children; an old Greek there is
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Summary: Plato's Timaeus has an Egyptian priest call the Greeks children.
- Plato, Timaeus 22b. The quotation ends in 1.52.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 22b (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.51 (Raeder, 18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-51). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.52Raeder, 18
οὐδείς" οὐ γὰρ ἔχετε χρόνῳ μάθημα πολιόν.“ εἰ δὲ νεώτερα τὰ Ἑλλήνων μαθήματα, πρεσβύτατα δὲ καὶ παλαιότατα τὰ Ἑβραίων, ἔχεν δὲ καὶ τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἐπανθοῦσαν τῷ χρόνῳ, προαιρετέα δηλονότι “καὶ προκριτέα τῶν νέων καὶ ἀμφιβόλων, μᾶλλον δὲ ψευδῶν τε καὶ οὐ πιθανῶς πεπλασμένων.
oudeis" ou gar echete chronǭ mathēma polion.“ ei de neōtera ta Hellēnōn mathēmata, presbytata de kai palaiotata ta Hebraiōn, echen de kai tēn alētheian epanthousan tǭ chronǭ, proairetea dēlonoti “kai prokritea tōn neōn kai amphibolōn, mallon de pseudōn te kai ou pithanōs peplasmenōn.
none; for you have no learning grey with age.' If, then, the learning of the Greeks is more recent, while that of the Hebrews is the most ancient and oldest, and has truth flourishing in it along with its age, it is clearly to be chosen and preferred over the new and doubtful, or rather false and unconvincingly fabricated, teachings.
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Summary: Hebrew learning, being older and true, is to be preferred.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 22b (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.52 (Raeder, 18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-52). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.53Raeder, 18
ἀλλ᾽ οὐδὲ τὸ ἀπαίδευτον τῆς γλώττης ἱκανὸν ὑμῖν εἰς παραίτησιν. ἐδείξαμεν γὰρ τὸν Σωκράτην, τῶν φιλοσόφων τὸν κορυφαῖον, τῆς λληνικῆς παιδείας ἀμύητον, καὶ τὸν Πλάτῶνα πάσης ἐπιστήμης καὶ εὐγλωττίας προκρίνοντα τὴν ἀλήθειαν. ] }
all᾽ oude to apaideuton tēs glōttēs hikanon hymin eis paraitēsin. edeixamen gar ton Sōkratēn, tōn philosophōn ton koryphaion, tēs llēnikēs paideias amyēton, kai ton Platōna pasēs epistēmēs kai euglōttias prokrinonta tēn alētheian. ] }
Nor is the unlearned speech a sufficient reason for you to refuse. For we have shown that Socrates, the chief of the philosophers, was uninitiated in Greek education, and that Plato preferred truth to all knowledge and eloquence.
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Summary: Unpolished speech is no reason to refuse the apostles.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.53 (Raeder, 18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-53). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.54Raeder, 19
Εἰ δὲτοῦ τῆς πίστεως κατηγορεῖτε προσρήματος (ἤκουσα δὰ γὰρ ὑμῶν καὶ τοῦτο λεγόντων, ὡς ἡμεῖς γε ἀπόδειξιν μὲν οὐδεμίαν τῶν ἡμετέρων δογμάτων προσφέρομεν, πιστεύειν δὲ μόνον τοῖς μαθητευομένοις παρεγγυῶμεν), μάλιστα μὲν ἄντικρυς τὴν ἡμετέραν συκοφαντεῖτε διδασκαλίαν᾽ αὐτῶν γάρ τοι τῶν πραγμάτων τὴν μαρτυρίαν ἡμεῖς τοῖς ἡμετέροις ξυναρμόντομεν λόγοις᾽ πάλιν δ᾽ αὖ ὑμεῖς τοῖς ὑμετέροις βέβλησθε, κατὰ τὴν παροιμίαν, πτίλοις.
Ei detou tēs pisteōs katēgoreite prosrēmatos (ēkousa da gar hymōn kai touto legontōn, hōs hēmeis ge apodeixin men oudemian tōn hēmeterōn dogmatōn prospheromen, pisteuein de monon tois mathēteuomenois parengyōmen), malista men antikrys tēn hēmeteran sykophanteite didaskalian᾽ autōn gar toi tōn pragmatōn tēn martyrian hēmeis tois hēmeterois xynarmontomen logois᾽ palin d᾽ au hymeis tois hymeterois beblēsthe, kata tēn paroimian, ptilois.
If you find fault with the word 'faith' (for I have heard you say this too, that we offer no demonstration of our doctrines but only enjoin our pupils to believe), you are first of all slandering our teaching outright; for we fit to our words the testimony of the facts themselves; and again, as the proverb has it, you are struck by your own feathers.
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Summary: The charge that Christians demand mere faith is slander, and turns against the critics.
- The proverb (an eagle shot by an arrow fledged with its own feathers) is from Aeschylus, Myrmidons, fragment.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.54 (Raeder, 19; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-54). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.55Raeder, 19
καὶ γὰρ ὁ Πυθαγόρας ἐκεῖνος ὁ πολυθρύλητος, ὁ Μνησάρχου μὲν υἱός, Φερεκύδου δὲ φοιτητής, ὃ τῆς ᾿ταλωνῆς αἱρέσεως ἡγησάμε-νος, νόμον ἐτεθείκει τοῖς φοινηταῖς πενταετῆ χρόνον σιγὴν ἄγειν καὶ μόνον ὑπέχειν τῷ λόγῳ τὰς ἀκοάς, ἵνα ἀναμφισβητήτως καὶ ἀδηρίτως δέχωνται τὰ λεγόμενα, πιστεύοντες οὕτως ἔχειν καὶ μὴ ᾿πολυπραγμονοῦντες ὡς ἐνδοιάξοντες.
kai gar ho Pythagoras ekeinos ho polythrylētos, ho Mnēsarchou men huios, Pherekydou de phoitētēs, ho tēs ᾿talōnēs haireseōs hēgēsame-nos, nomon etetheikei tois phoinētais pentaetē chronon sigēn agein kai monon hypechein tǭ logǭ tas akoas, hina anamphisbētētōs kai adēritōs dechōntai ta legomena, pisteuontes houtōs echein kai mē ᾿polypragmonountes hōs endoiaxontes.
For that much-celebrated Pythagoras, son of Mnesarchus and pupil of Pherecydes, who led the Italian school, laid down a law for his pupils to keep silent for five years and only to lend their ears to the teaching, so that they might receive what was said without dispute or contention, believing that it was so and not meddling as people in doubt.
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Summary: Pythagoras made his pupils keep five years' silence and simply believe.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.55 (Raeder, 19; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-55). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.56Raeder, 19
τῷ τοι καὶ οἵ ἐκεῖνον διαδεξάμενοι, εἴ τις ἀπήτησε τῶν λεγομένων ἀπόδειξιν,..αὐτὸς ἔφα" λέγειν εἰώθεσαν, πάσης ἀποδείξεως ἰσχυροτέραν καὶ εἶναι νομίξοντες καὶ ἔχειν πελεύοντες τὴν Πυθαγόρου φωνήν.
tǭ toi kai hoi ekeinon diadexamenoi, ei tis apētēse tōn legomenōn apodeixin,..autos epha" legein eiōthesan, pasēs apodeixeōs ischyroteran kai einai nomixontes kai echein peleuontes tēn Pythagorou phōnēn.
That is why his successors, if anyone demanded a proof of what was said, used to say, 'He himself said it,' thinking the voice of Pythagoras stronger than every proof and bidding others hold it so.
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Summary: The Pythagoreans answered 'he himself said it' instead of proofs.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.56 (Raeder, 19; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-56). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.57Raeder, 19
εἰ δ᾽ ἀποχρῆν εἰς πίστιν ἐνόμιζον καὶ οἱ λέγοντες καὶ οἵ ἀκούοντες τὸ Πυθαγόρου εἶναι δόγματα καὶ μαθήματα, τίς οὕτως ἄρα ἠλίθιος, μᾶλλὸν δὲ ἄγαν ἐμβρόντητος, ὡς τοῦ Θεοῦ τῶν ὅλων διδάσκοντος ἐνδοιάσανι καὶ μὴ πιστεῦσαι τοῖς λεγομένοις καὶ μηδὲ τοσοῦτον ἀπονεῖμαι σέβας τῷ τῶν ὅλων Θεῷ, ὅσον τῷ Πυθαγόρῳᾳ προσένεμον οἵ τῆς ἐκείνου διδασκαλίας. μετεσχηκότες;
ei d᾽ apochrēn eis pistin enomizon kai hoi legontes kai hoi akouontes to Pythagorou einai dogmata kai mathēmata, tis houtōs ara ēlithios, mallon de agan embrontētos, hōs tou Theou tōn holōn didaskontos endoiasani kai mē pisteusai tois legomenois kai mēde tosouton aponeimai sebas tǭ tōn holōn Theǭ, hoson tǭ Pythagorǭą prosenemon hoi tēs ekeinou didaskalias. meteschēkotes?
If both speakers and hearers thought it enough for belief that the doctrines and teachings were those of Pythagoras, who is so foolish, or rather so thunderstruck, as to doubt when the God of the universe teaches, not to believe what is said, and not to give the God of the universe even as much reverence as those who shared in Pythagoras' teaching gave to Pythagoras?
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Summary: God deserves at least the trust the Pythagoreans gave their master.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.57 (Raeder, 19; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-57). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.58Raeder, 20
πῶς δέ γε, ὦ φίλοι ἄνδρες, οὐ σχέτλιον, τὸν μὲν Πλάτωνα καὶ τοῖς πονηταῖς ἀνενδοιάστως πιστεύειν παρεγγυᾶν, ἡμῖν δὲ χαλεπαίνειν ὑμᾶς, ὅτι δὴ τῷ Θεῷ διδάσκοντι παραινοῦμεν πιστεύειν;
pōs de ge, ō philoi andres, ou schetlion, ton men Platōna kai tois ponētais anendoiastōs pisteuein parengyan, hēmin de chalepainein hymas, hoti dē tǭ Theǭ didaskonti parainoumen pisteuein?
And how, my friends, is it not outrageous that Plato enjoins people to believe even the poets without hesitation, while you are angry with us because we urge belief in God when he teaches?
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Summary: Plato urges belief in poets, yet pagans object when Christians urge belief in God.
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.58 (Raeder, 20; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-58). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Raeder's Greek text (Teubner 1904; OCR by this project); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so each batch was re-read against the Greek.
1.59Raeder, 20
ἢ οὐ Πλάτωνος ἐκεῖνα τὰ ῥήματα; »περὶ δὲ τῶν ἄλλων δαιμόνων εἰπεῖν καὶ γνῶναι τὴν γένεσιν μεῖξον ἢ καθ' ἡμᾶς" πιστευτέον δὲ τοῖς εἰρηκόσιν ἔμπροσθεν, ἐκγόνοις μὲν θεῶν οὖσιν, ὡς ἔφασαν, σαφῶς δέ πῶς τοὺς ξαυτῶν προγόνους εἰδότων. ἀδύνατον οὖν θεῶν παισὶν ἀπιστεῖν, καίπερ ἄνευ εἰκότων καὶ ἀναγκαίων ἀποδείξεων λέγουσιν, ἀλλ᾽ ὡς οἰκεῖα φασμόντων ἀπαγγέλλειν ἑπομένους
ē ou Platōnos ekeina ta rhēmata? »peri de tōn allōn daimonōn eipein kai gnōnai tēn genesin meixon ē kath' hēmas" pisteuteon de tois eirēkosin emprosthen, ekgonois men theōn ousin, hōs ephasan, saphōs de pōs tous xautōn progonous eidotōn. adynaton oun theōn paisin apistein, kaiper aneu eikotōn kai anankaiōn apodeixeōn legousin, all᾽ hōs oikeia phasmontōn apangellein hepomenous
Or are these not Plato's words? 'To speak of the other divinities and know their origin is beyond us; we must believe those who have spoken before, who were, as they said, descendants of the gods, and surely knew their own ancestors. It is impossible, then, to disbelieve the children of gods, even though they speak without probable or necessary proofs; but since they claim to report family matters, we must follow
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Summary: Plato's Timaeus tells us to believe the poets about the gods without proof.
- Plato, Timaeus 40d–e. The quotation ends in 1.60.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 40d–e (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.59 (Raeder, 20; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-59). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Raeder's Greek text (Teubner 1904; OCR by this project); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so each batch was re-read against the Greek.
1.60Raeder, 20
τῷ νόμῳ πιστευτέον.“ ταῦτα ἐν τῷ Τιμαίῳ περὶ τῶν πονητῶν ὁ Πλάτων εἴρηκε καὶ προσέταξεν Ὁμήρῳ καὶ ᾿Ησιόδῳ χαὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις ποιηταῖς μυθολογοῦσι πιστεῦσαι καὶ οὐκ ἠδέσθη φάναι, ὅτι ἄνευ εἰκότων καὶ ἀναγκαίων ἀποδείξεων λέγουσι, καὶ ταῦτα κωμῳδῶν ἀλλαχοῦ τὰ παρ᾽ ἐκείνων λεγόμενα, ὡς ἐν ἑτέρῳ δὴ χωρίῳ σαφῶς ἐπιδείξομεν.
tǭ nomǭ pisteuteon.“ tauta en tǭ Timaiǭ peri tōn ponētōn ho Platōn eirēke kai prosetaxen Homērǭ kai ᾿Ēsiodǭ chai tois allois poiētais mythologousi pisteusai kai ouk ēdesthē phanai, hoti aneu eikotōn kai anankaiōn apodeixeōn legousi, kai tauta kōmǭdōn allachou ta par᾽ ekeinōn legomena, hōs en heterǭ dē chōriǭ saphōs epideixomen.
custom and believe them.' Plato said this in the Timaeus about the poets, and ordered belief in Homer, Hesiod, and the other poets who tell myths, and was not ashamed to say that they speak without probable or necessary proofs, though elsewhere he mocks what they say, as we shall clearly show in another place.
Notes and citation
Summary: Plato bids belief in mythmaking poets while mocking them elsewhere.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 40e (Plato (works); quotation)
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Graec. aff. cur. 1.60 (Raeder, 20; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-graecarum-affectionum-curatio/1-60). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Raeder's Greek text (Teubner 1904; OCR by this project); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so each batch was re-read against the Greek.