Against Celsus 8.41

Summary: Celsus taunts that the gods punish blasphemers while Jesus' executioners went unpunished and his Father abandoned him; Origen answers that Christians revile no one, not even statues or demons.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:255–256

Εἶτα ὡς αἱ γρᾶες διαλοιδορούμενος ἡμῖν φησι· σὺ μὲν τὰ ἀγάλματα τούτων λοιδορῶν καταγελᾷς. ὡς αὐτόν γε τὸν Διόνυσον ἢ τὸν Ἡρακλέα παρόντα εἰ ἐλοιδόρησας, οὐκ ἂν ἴσως χαίρων ἀπήλλαξας· τὸν δὲ σὸν θεὸν παρόντα κατατείνοντες καὶ κολάζοντες οὐδὲν οἱ ταῦτα δράσαντες πεπόνθασιν ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ μετὰ ταῦτα ἐν τοσούτῳ βίῳ. τί καινὸν ἐξ ἐκείνου γέγονε τῷ πιστεύσαντι ἂν ὡς οὐκ ἦν ἐκεῖνος ἄνθρωπος γόης ἀλλὰ θεοῦ παῖς; καὶ ὁ πέμψας ἄρα τὸν υἱὸν ἀγγελμάτων τινῶν εἵνεκα οὕτως ὠμῶς κολασθέντα, ὡς συνδιαφθεῖραι καὶ τὰ ἀγγέλματα, περιεῖδε καὶ τοσούτου χρόνου διελθόντος οὐκ ἐπεστράφη. τίς οὕτως ἀνόσιος πατήρ; ἐκεῖνος μὲν οὖν τυχὸν ἐβούλετο, ὡς φῂς, διὰ τοῦτο περιϋβρίζετο. οἵδε δὲ, οὓς σὺ βλασφημεῖς, ἐνῆν μὲν εἰπεῖν ὅτι καὶ αὐτοὶ βούλονται καὶ διὰ τοῦτʼ ἀνέχονται βλασφημούμενοι· τὰ γὰρ ἴσα τοῖς ἴσοις παραβαλεῖν κράτιστον· ἀλλʼ οὗτοί γε καὶ σφόδρα ἀμύνονται τὸν βλασφημοῦντα, ἤτοι φεύγοντα διὰ τοῦτο καὶ κρυπτόμενον ἢ ἁλισκόμενον καὶ ἀπολλύμενον. καὶ πρὸς ταῦτα δʼ εἴποιμʼ ἂν ὅτι ἡμεῖς οὐδενὶ λοιδορούμεθα, πειθόμενοι ὅτι „λοίδοροι“ „βασιλείαν θεοῦ“ οὐ „κληρονομήσουσι, “ καὶ ἀναγινώσκοντες τὸ „εὐλογεῖτε τοὺς καταρωμένους ὑμῖν“ (καὶ) „εὐλογεῖτε καὶ μὴ καταρᾶσθε.“ εἰδότες δὲ καὶ τὸ „λοιδορούμενοι εὐλογοῦμεν.“ καὶ εἴπερ τὸ λοιδορεῖν λόγον τινὰ ἔχει ἀμυντικὸν τοῦ δοκοῦντος ἠδικῆσθαι, καὶ οὐδὲ τοῦτον ἐπιτρέπει ἡμῖν ὁ τοῦ θεοῦ λόγος· πόσῳ πλέον, ἔνθα πολλὴν ἠλιθιότητα ἐμφαίνει τὸ λοιδορεῖν, οὐ χρὴ λοιδορεῖν; ἐπʼ ἴσης δὲ ἠλίθιον τὸ λοιδορεῖσθαι λίθῳ ἢ χρυσῷ ἢ ἀργύρῳ, τοῖς μεμορφωμένοις εἰς τὴν νενομισμένην τοῖς μακρὰν θειότητος τυγχάνουσι θεῶν μορφήν. οὕτω δὲ οὐδὲ καταγελῶμεν τῶν ἀψύχων ξοάνων ἀλλʼ εἰ ἄρα τῶν προσκυνούντων αὐτοῖς. ἀλλʼ οὐδʼ, ἂν ὦσί τινες δαίμονες ἐνιδρυμένοι τισὶν ἀγάλμασι, καὶ νομίζηται ὁ μέν τις αὐτῶν εἶναι Διόνυσος ὁ δʼ Ἡρακλῆς, οὐδὲ τούτοις λοιδορούμεθα· μάταιον γὰρ τὸ τοιοῦτον καὶ οὐδαμῶς κατὰ τὸν πρᾷον καὶ εἰρηναῖον καὶ γαληνὸν τὴν ψυχὴν καὶ μαθόντα ὅτι οὐδὲ διὰ τὴν κακίαν δεῖ τινι λοιδορεῖσθαι, εἴτʼ ἀνθρώπῳ εἴτε δαίμονι.

English · Claude translation

Then, reviling us like old women, he says: “You mock their images as you revile them; but if you had reviled Dionysus himself or Heracles in person, perhaps you would not have got off lightly. But those who stretched out and punished your god in person have suffered nothing, not even afterwards in all this time. What new thing has happened since then to make one believe that he was not a sorcerer of a man but a son of God? And he who sent his son with certain messages, when he was so cruelly punished that the messages perished with him, looked on and has not turned to him in all the time that has passed. What father is so unholy? Perhaps, as you say, he wished it, and that is why he was treated with outrage. But these whom you blaspheme, one could say that they too wish it and that is why they endure being blasphemed; for it is best to compare like with like. But these at least take severe vengeance on the blasphemer, who either flees and hides for this reason, or is caught and destroyed.” To this too I would say that we revile no one, since we believe that “revilers” will not “inherit the kingdom of God,” and read, “Bless those who curse you,” and “Bless and do not curse,” and know also, “When reviled, we bless.” And if reviling has some justification as a defence for one who thinks he has been wronged, even this the Word of God does not allow us; how much more, where reviling shows great foolishness, must we not revile? It is equally foolish to revile stone or gold or silver, shaped into the form of gods customary among those far from divinity. So too we do not mock lifeless statues, but, if anything, those who worship them. And even if there are some demons established in certain statues, and one of them is thought to be Dionysus and another Heracles, we do not revile these either; for such a thing is vain and in no way befits one who is gentle, peaceable, and calm in soul, and who has learned that one must not revile anyone even for wickedness, whether man or demon.

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Source
Koetschau 2:255–256 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
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Topics
Ethics, Christology

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are 1 Cor 6:10, Luke 6:28, Rom 12:14, and 1 Cor 4:12.

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Origen, Cels. 8.41 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/41/).

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Origen, Cels. 8.41 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/41/).

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