Against Celsus 4.79

Summary: Celsus says early humans were prey to beasts before cities and arts existed; Origen notes this contradicts Celsus's own eternal world and argues that providence protected the first humans, who even associated with the divine.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:348–350

Εἶτα λέγει πρὸς τὸ τῶν αἰσθανομένων τῆς ἑαυτῶν ὑπεροχῆς ἀνθρώπων γένος. ἣν ὑπερέχει τῶν ἀλόγων ζῴων. ὅτι πρὸς ὅ ὑμεῖς φατε, ὡς ὁ θεὸς ἡμῖν δέδωκεν αἱρεῖν τὰ θηρία δύνασθαι καὶ καταχρήσασθαι, ἐροῦμεν ὅτι ὡς εἰκὸς. πρὶν πόλεις εἶναι καὶ τέχνας καὶ τοιαύτας ἐπιμιξίας καὶ ὅπλα καὶ δίκτυα. ἄνθρωποι μὲν ὑπὸ θηρίων ἡρπάζοντο καὶ ἠσθίοντο. θηρία δʼ ὑπʼ ἀνθρώπων ἥκιστα ἡλίσκετο. ὅρα δὲ πρὸς ταῦτα ὅτι, εἰ καὶ αἱροῦσιν ἄνθρωποι θηρία καὶ θηρία ἀνθρώπους ἁρπάζει. πολλή ἐστι διαφορὰ τῶν συνέσει κρατούντων παρὰ τὰ ἀγριότητι καὶ ὠμότητι περιγινόμενα τῶν οὐ χρωμένων τῇ συνέσει πρὸς τὸ μηδὲν ὑπὸ θηρίων παθεῖν. τὸ δὲ πρὶν πόλεις εἶναι καὶ τέχνας καὶ τοιαύτας ἐπιμιξίας ἐπιλελησμένου οἶμαι εἶναι ὧν ἀνωτέρω προεῖπεν. ὡς ἀγενήτου ὄντος τοῦ κόσμου καὶ ἀφθάρτου. καὶ μόνων τῶν ἐπὶ γῆς κατακλυσμοὺς καὶ ἐκπυρώσεις πασχόντων, καὶ οὐ πάντων ἅμα τούτοις περιπιπτόντων. ὡς οὐκ ἔστιν οὖν τοῖς ἀγένητον ὑφισταμένοις τὸν κόσμον ἀρχὴν αὐτοῦ εἰπεῖν. οὕτως οὐδὲ χρόνον. ὅτʼ οὐδαμῶς ἦσαν πόλεις οὐδὲ τέχναι πω εὕρηντο. ἀλλʼ ἔστω καὶ ταῦτα ἡμῖν μὲν συνᾳδόντως αὐτῷ συγχωρεῖν αὐτῷ δὲ καὶ τοῖς ἀνωτέρω ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ λελεγμένοις οὐκέτι· τί οὖν τοῦτο πρὸς τὸ πάντως κατʼ ἀρχὰς τοὺς μὲν ἀνθρώπους ὑπὸ θηρίων ἁρπάζεσθαι καὶ ἐσθίεσθαι. μηκέτι δὲ τὰ θηρία ὑπʼ ἀνθρώπων ἁλίσκεσθαι; εἴπερ γὰρ κατὰ πρόνοιαν ὁ κόσμος γεγένηται, καὶ θεὸς ἐφέστηκε τοῖς ὅλοις, ἀναγκαῖον ἦν τὰ ζώπυρα τοῦ γένους τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀρξάμενα ὑπό τινα γεγονέναι φρουρὰν τὴν ἀπὸ κρειττόνων. ὥστε κατʼ ἀρχὰς ἐπιμιξίαν γεγονέναι τῆς θείας φύσεως πρὸς τοὺς ἀνθρώπους. ἅπερ καὶ ὁ Ἀσκραῖος ποιητὴς ἐννοῶν εἶπε· ξυναὶ γὰρ τότε δαῖτες ἔσαν, ξυνοὶ δὲ θόωκοι ἀθανάτοισι θεοῖσι καταθνητοῖς τʼ ἀνθρώποις.

English · Claude translation

Then he says to the race of human beings, who are aware of their superiority over the irrational animals: "To what you say, that God has given us the power to catch wild beasts and use them, we will say that probably, before there were cities and arts and such associations, and weapons and nets, human beings were seized and eaten by wild beasts, while wild beasts were very rarely caught by human beings." See, in reply to this, that even if human beings catch wild beasts and wild beasts seize human beings, there is a great difference between those who prevail by understanding and those who get the upper hand by savagery and cruelty over people who do not use understanding to avoid suffering from wild beasts. As for "before there were cities and arts and such associations," I think he has forgotten what he said above, that the world is uncreated and indestructible, and that only things on earth suffer floods and conflagrations, and not all of them fall into these at once. So, just as those who hold the world uncreated cannot speak of its beginning, neither can they speak of a time when there were no cities at all and arts had not yet been discovered. But suppose we grant him this, consistently with our view though no longer with what he himself said above: what has this to do with the claim that at the beginning human beings were in every case seized and eaten by wild beasts, while wild beasts were no longer caught by human beings? For if the world came into being by providence, and God presides over the universe, the first sparks of the human race must, at their beginning, have come under some protection from higher beings, so that at the beginning there was an association of the divine nature with human beings. The poet of Ascra had this in mind when he said: "For then feasts were shared, and seats were shared, between the immortal gods and mortal human beings."

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Source
Koetschau 1:348–350 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Hesiod, Cat. fr. 1.6–7 (Hesiod, Catalogue of Women) · quotation, high confidence

Notes

Translation notes

  • The poet of Ascra is Hesiod; the lines are from the Catalogue of Women (fragment 1.6–7 Merkelbach–West), not the Theogony or Works and Days.

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Origen, Cels. 4.79 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/79/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 4.79 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/79/).

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