Against Celsus 4.12

Summary: The flood and the coming conflagration are caused by overflowing wickedness, not by star cycles; and when Scripture says God “comes down,” it speaks figuratively of his condescension to human affairs.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:282

Πότερον μὲν οὖν εἰσι περίοδοι καὶ κατὰ περιόδους κατακλυσμοὶ ἢ ἐκπυρώσεις, ἢ μὴ εἰσὶ, καὶ εἰ ἐπίσταται καὶ ταῦθʼ ὁ λόγος, ἐν πολλοῖς μὲν καὶ ἐν οἷς δὲ Σολομών φησι· „τί τὸ γεγονός; αὐτὸ τὸ γενησόμενον· καὶ τί τὸ πεποιημένον; αὐτὸ τὸ ποιηθησόμενον“ καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς, οὐ τοῦ παρόντος ἐστὶ καιροῦ λέγειν. ἀρκεῖ γὰρ μόνον ἐπισημειώσασθαι ὅτι ἀρχαιότατοι ἄνδρες γενόμενοι Μωϋσῆς καί τινες τῶν προφητῶν οὐ παρʼ ἑτέρων εἰλήφασι τὰ περὶ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου ἐκπυρώσεως ἀλλʼ, εἰ χρὴ ἐπιστήσαντα τοῖς χρόνοις εἰπεῖν, μᾶλλον τούτων ἕτεροι παρακούσαντες καὶ μὴ ἀκριβώσαντες τὰ ὑπὸ τούτων λεγόμενα ἀνέπλασαν κατὰ περιόδους ταυτότητας καὶ ἀπαραλλάκτους τοῖς ἰδίοις ποιοῖς καὶ τοῖς συμβεβηκόσιν αὐτοῖς. ἡμεῖς δὲ οὔτε τὸν κατακλυσμὸν οὔτε τὴν ἐκπύρωσιν κύκλοις καὶ ἀστέρων περιόδοις ἀνατίθεμεν, ἀλλὰ τὴν τούτων αἰτίαν φαμὲν εἶναι κακίαν ἐπὶ πλεῖον χεομένην καὶ καθαιρομένην κατακλυσμῷ ἢ ἐκπυρώσει. θεὸν δὲ καταβαίνοντα ἐὰν λέγωσιν αἱ προφητικαὶ φωναὶ τὸν φήσαντα· „οὐχὶ τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν ἐγὼ πληρῶ; λέγει κύριος, “ τροπολογοῦμεν. καταβαίνει γὰρ ὁ θεὸς ἀπὸ τοῦ ἰδίου μεγέθους καὶ ὕψους, ὅτε τὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ μάλιστα τῶν φαύλων οἰκονομεῖ. καὶ ὥσπερ ἡ συνήθεια συγκαταβαίνειν φησὶ τοῖς νηπίοις τοὺς διδασκάλους καὶ τοῖς ἄρτι προτραπεῖσιν ἐπὶ φιλοσοφίαν νέοις τοὺς σοφοὺς ἢ τοὺς προκόπτοντας οὐ τῷ σωματικῶς αὐτοὺς καταβαίνειν, οὕτως εἴ που λέγεται ἐν ταῖς θείαις γραφαῖς καταβαίνειν ὁ θεὸς, ἀνάλογον νοεῖται τῇ οὑτωσὶ χρωμένῃ τῷ ὀνόματι συνηθείᾳ, οὕτω δὲ καὶ ἀναβαίνειν.

English · Claude translation

Whether there are cycles, and floods or conflagrations in cycles, or not, and whether the Scripture knows of this too, both in many places and where Solomon says, “What is it that has been? The very thing that will be. And what is it that has been done? The very thing that will be done,” and so on, it is not the present occasion to say. It is enough only to note that Moses and some of the prophets, being most ancient men, did not take what they say about the conflagration of the world from others; but, if one must pay attention to the dates and say so, rather others, having misheard them and not understanding precisely what they said, invented periodic identities, indistinguishable in their individual qualities and their accidents. But we do not attribute either the flood or the conflagration to cycles and the revolutions of the stars; we say that their cause is wickedness poured out in excess and purged by flood or conflagration. And if the prophetic words say that God comes down, he who said, “Do I not fill heaven and earth? says the Lord,” we interpret it figuratively. For God comes down from his own greatness and height when he manages the affairs of men, and especially of the wicked. And as ordinary usage says that teachers come down to the level of children, and the wise or those advanced come down to young men just turned to philosophy, not by descending bodily, so, if anywhere in the divine Scriptures God is said to come down, it is understood analogously to the usage that employs the word in this way; and so too with going up.

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Source
Koetschau 1:282 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Scripture
Topics
Eschatology, Scripture and canon

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are Eccl 1:9 and Jer 23:24. The “periodic identities” are the Stoic doctrine that the same world, with identical individuals, recurs after each conflagration.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray space inside a word in the digital text): ἐκπυ ρώσει → ἐκπυρώσει.

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Origen, Cels. 4.12 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/12/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 4.12 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/12/).

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