Against Celsus 4.11

Summary: Celsus claims Jews and Christians borrowed the idea of world floods and conflagrations from the Greeks; Origen answers that Moses is far older than the Greek sources, as Josephus showed.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:281–282

Μετὰ ταῦτα βουλόμενος ἡμᾶς παραδεῖξαι μηδὲν παράδοξον μηδὲ καινὸν λέγειν περὶ κατακλυσμοῦ ἢ ἐκπυρώσεως, ἀλλὰ καὶ παρακούσαντας τῶν παρʼ Ἕλλησιν ἢ βαρβάροις περὶ τούτων λεγομένων ταῖς ἡμετέραις πεπιστευκέναι περὶ αὐτῶν γραφαῖς, φησὶ ταῦτα· ἐπῆλθε δʼ αὐτοῖς καὶ ταῦτα ἐκείνων παρακούσασιν, ὅτι δὴ κατὰ χρόνων μακρῶν κύκλους καὶ ἄστρων ἐπανόδους τε καὶ συνόδους ἐκπυρώσεις καὶ ἐπικλύσεις συμβαίνουσι, καὶ ὅτι μετὰ τὸν τελευταῖον ἐπὶ Δευκαλίωνος κατακλυσμὸν ἡ περίοδος κατὰ τὴν τῶν ὅλων ἀμοιβὴν ἐκπύρωσιν ἀπαιτεῖ· ταῦτʼ αὐτοὺς ἐποίησεν ἐσφαλμένῃ δόξῃ λέγειν ὅτι ὁ θεὸς καταβήσεται δίκην βασανιστοῦ πῦρ φέρων. καὶ πρὸς ταῦτα δὲ φήσομεν ὅτι οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως ὁ πολλὰ ἀναγνοὺς καὶ ἱστορίας πολλὰς ἐπιδειξάμενος ἐγνωκέναι Κέλσος οὐκ ἐπέστησε τῇ Μωϋσέως ἀρχαιότητι, ἱστορουμένου ὑπό τινων Ἑλληνικῶν συγγραφέων κατὰ τοὺς χρόνους γεγονέναι Ἰνάχου τοῦ Φορωνέως· καὶ ὑπὸ Αἰγυπτίων δʼ ἀρχαιότατος εἶναι ὁμολογεῖται ἀλλὰ καὶ ὑπὸ τῶν τὰ Φοινικικὰ πραγματευσαμένων· καὶ ὁ βουλόμενός γε ἀναγνώτω τὰ Φλαυΐου Ἰωσήπου περὶ τῆς Ἰουδαίων ἀρχαιότητος δύο βιβλία, ἵνα γνῷ, τίνα τρόπον ἀρχαιότερος ἦν Μωϋσῆς τῶν κατὰ χρόνων μακρὰς περιόδους κατακλυσμοὺς καὶ ἐκπυρώσεις φησάντων γίνεσθαι ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ· ὧν παρακηκοέναι λέγει ὁ Κέλσος Ἰουδαίους καὶ Χριστιανοὺς καὶ μὴ νοήσαντας τὰ περὶ ἐκπυρώσεως εἰρηκέναι ὅτι ὁ θεὸς καταβήσεται δίκην βασανιστοῦ πῦρ φέρων.

English · Claude translation

After this, wanting to show us that we say nothing strange or new about the flood or the conflagration, but that, having misheard what is said about them among the Greeks or barbarians, we have believed our Scriptures about them, he says this: “This too occurred to them from misunderstanding those others: that in cycles of long periods of time, and at the returns and conjunctions of the stars, conflagrations and floods happen, and that after the last flood, in the time of Deucalion, the cycle, according to the alternation of the universe, requires a conflagration. This made them say, in their mistaken opinion, that God will come down like a torturer bearing fire.” To this we shall say that I do not know how Celsus, who has read much and displays knowledge of many histories, paid no attention to the antiquity of Moses, who is recorded by some Greek writers to have lived in the time of Inachus the father of Phoroneus, and is acknowledged by the Egyptians to be most ancient, and also by those who have written the history of Phoenicia. Let whoever wishes read the two books of Flavius Josephus on the antiquity of the Jews, so that he may learn in what way Moses was more ancient than those who said that floods and conflagrations happen in the world in long cycles of time; whom Celsus says the Jews and Christians misheard, and, not understanding the teaching about the conflagration, said that God will come down like a torturer bearing fire.

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Source
Koetschau 1:281–282 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Josephus, C. Ap. (Josephus (works)) · allusion, high confidence
Topics
Eschatology, Scripture and canon

Notes

Translation notes

  • The “two books of Flavius Josephus on the antiquity of the Jews” are Against Apion. The digital text reads Μω(??)σέως; the reading Μωϋσέως is certain.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (unreadable character in the digital text; the reading is certain from context): Μω(??)σέως → Μωϋσέως.

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Origen, Cels. 4.11 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/11/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 4.11 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/11/).

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