Against Celsus 3.42

Summary: Origen replies that the body is not defiled by nature, only by vice, and that the pagan heroes Asclepius, Dionysus, and Heracles made no one better and lived immorally, so they have no better claim than Jesus to divinity.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:237–238

Οὐχ ὡς διαλεκτικὸς μὲν οὖν εἶπεν ὁ Κέλσος, παραβάλλων τὰς ἀνθρωπίνας τοῦ Ἰησοῦ σάρκας χρυσῷ καὶ ἀργύρῳ καὶ λίθῳ, ὅτι αὗται ἐκείνων φθαρτότεραι. πρὸς γὰρ τὸν ἀκριβῆ λόγον οὔτʼ ἄφθαρτον ἀφθάρτου ἀφθαρτότερον οὔτε φθαρτὸν φθαρτοῦ φθαρτότερον. ἀλλʼ εἰ ἄρα φθαρτότερον, ὅμως δὲ καὶ πρὸς τοῦτο φήσομεν ὅτι, εἴπερ δυνατὸν ἀμείβειν ποιότητας τὴν ὑποκειμένην πάσαις ποιότησιν ὕλην, πῶς οὐ δυνατὸν καὶ τὴν σάρκα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἀμείψασαν ποιότητας γεγονέναι τοιαύτην, ὁποίαν ἐχρῆν εἶναι τὴν ἐν αἰθέρι καὶ τοῖς ἀνωτέρω αὐτοῦ τόποις πολιτευομένην, οὐκέτι ἔχουσαν τὰ τῆς σαρκικῆς ἀσθενείας ἴδια καὶ ἅτινα μιαρώτερα ὠνόμασεν ὁ Κέλσος; οὐδὲ τοῦτο φιλοσόφως ποιῶν· τὸ γὰρ κυρίως μιαρὸν ἀπὸ κακίας τοιοῦτόν ἐστι· φύσις δὲ σώματος οὐ μιαρά· οὐ γὰρ ᾗ φύσις σώματός ἐστι, τὸ γεννητικὸν τῆς μιαρότητος ἔχει τὴν κακίαν. εἶτʼ ἐπεὶ ὑπιδόμενος τὴν παρʼ ἡμῶν ἀπολογίαν λέγει περὶ τῆς μεταβολῆς τοῦ σώματος αὐτοῦ ὅτι ἀλλʼ ἀποθέμενος ταύτας ἄρα ἔσται θεός· τί οὖν οὐχὶ μᾶλλον ὁ Ἀσκληπιὸς καὶ Διόνυσος καὶ Ἡρακλῆς; φήσομεν· τί τηλικοῦτον Ἀσκληπιὸς ἢ Διόνυσος ἢ Ἡρακλῆς εἰργάσαντο; καὶ τίνας ἕξουσιν ἀποδεῖξαι βελτιωθέντας τὰ ἤθη καὶ κρείττους γενομένους ἀπὸ τῶν λόγων καὶ τοῦ βίου αὐτῶν, ἵνα γένωνται θεοί; πολλὰς γὰρ τὰς περὶ αὐτῶν ἱστορίας ἀναγνόντες, ἴδωμεν εἰ ἐκαθάρευσαν ἀπὸ ἀκολασίας ἢ ἀδικίας ἢ ἀφροσύνης ἢ δειλίας. καὶ εἰ μὲν μηδὲν εὑρεθείη τοιοῦτον ἐν αὐτοῖς, ἰσχυρὸς ἂν εἴη ὁ τοῦ Κέλσου λόγος, ἐξισῶν τῷ Ἰησοῦ τοὺς προειρημένους· εἰ δὲ δῆλόν ἐστι, κἄν τινα φέρηται περὶ αὐτῶν ὡς χρηστότερα, ὅτι μυρία ὅσα παρὰ τὸν ὀρθὸν λόγον πεποιηκέναι ἀναγεγραμμένοι εἰσὶ. πῶς ἔτι εὐλόγως μᾶλλον τοῦ Ἰησοῦ φήσεις αὐτοὺς ἀποθεμένους τὸ θνητὸν σῶμα γεγονέναι θεούς;

English · Claude translation

Celsus did not speak like a skilled dialectician, then, when he compared the human flesh of Jesus with gold, silver, and stone and said that it is more corruptible than they. For in strict reasoning, neither is an incorruptible thing more incorruptible than another incorruptible thing, nor a corruptible thing more corruptible than another corruptible thing. But even if it is more corruptible, we shall still say this in reply: if the matter that underlies all qualities can exchange its qualities, how is it not possible that the flesh of Jesus too, having exchanged its qualities, became such as it had to be to dwell in the ether and the places above it, no longer having the properties of fleshly weakness and those which Celsus called “more defiled”? Nor was he acting as a philosopher in this; for what is properly defiled is such because of vice, and the nature of a body is not defiled; for insofar as it is the nature of a body, it does not have vice, which is what generates defilement. Then, since he suspected our defense concerning the change of his body, he says: “But when he has laid these aside, then he will be a god? Why not rather Asclepius, Dionysus, and Heracles?” We shall say: What so great a thing did Asclepius or Dionysus or Heracles accomplish? And whom will they be able to show improved in character and made better by their words and life, so that they should become gods? For after reading the many stories about them, let us see whether they were pure of licentiousness, injustice, folly, or cowardice. And if nothing of the sort were found in them, Celsus's argument, which puts those just named on a level with Jesus, would be strong. But if it is clear that, even if some rather good things are reported of them, they are recorded to have done countless things contrary to right reason, how can you still reasonably say that they, rather than Jesus, became gods by laying aside the mortal body?

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Koetschau 1:237–238 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
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Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Topics
Christology

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Origen, Cels. 3.42 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/3/42/).

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Origen, Cels. 3.42 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/3/42/).

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