On the Trinity 2
Summary: God contains all things, has neither beginning nor end, and exceeds every thought and word; whatever we say of him names something of his rather than himself.
Textual problem in this passage: the printed text is uncertain or disputed here. See the notes.
Latin text · PL 3:915b–917c
Super quae omnia ipse continens cuncta, nihil extra se vacuum deserens, nulli Deo superiori (ut quidam putant) locum reliquit. Quandoquidem ipse universa sinu perfectae magnitudinis et potestatis incluserit, intentus semper operi suo, et vadens per omnia, et movens cuncta, et vivificans universa, et conspiciens tota, et in concordiam elementorum omnium discordantes materias sic connectens, ut ex disparibus elementis ita sit unus mundus ista coagmentata conspiratione solidatus, ut nulla vi dissolvi possit, nisi cum illum solus ipse qui fecit, ad majora alia praestanda nobis, solvi jusserit. Hunc enim legimus omnia continere: et ideo nihil extra ipsum esse potuisse; quippe cum originem omnino non habeat, consequenter nec exitum sentiat: nisi forte, quod absit, aliquando esse coeperit, nec super omnia sit, sed dum post aliquid esse coeperit, infra id sit quod ante ipsum fuerit, minor inventus potestate, dum posterior denotatur etiam ipso tempore. Ob hanc ergo causam semper immensus, quia nihil illo majus est: semper aeternus, quia nihil illo antiquius. Id enim quod sine origine est, praecedi a nullo potest, dum non habet tempus. Ideo immortalis, non deficiens in consummationis exitu. Et quoniam sine lege est quidquid sine origine est, modum temporis excludit, dum se debitorem nemini sentit. De hoc ergo, ac de eis quae sunt ipsius et in eo sunt, nec mens hominis quae sint, quanta sint, et qualia sint, digne concipere potest, nec eloquentia sermonis humani aequabilem majestati ejus virtutem sermonis expromit. Ad cogitandam enim et ad eloquendam illius majestatem et eloquentia omnis merito muta est, et mens omnis exigua est: major est enim mente ipsa, nec cogitari possit quantus sit, ne si potuerit cogitari, mente humana minor sit, qua concipi possit. Major est quoque omni sermone, nec edici possit: ne si potuerit edici, humano sermone minor sit, quo, cum edicitur, et circumiri et colligi possit. Quidquid enim de illo cogitatum fuerit, minus ipso erit: et quidquid enuntiatum fuerit, minus illo comparatum circum ipsum erit. Sentire enim illum taciti aliquatenus possumus; ut autem ipse est, sermone explicare non possumus. Sive enim illum dixeris Lucem, creaturam ipsius magis quam ipsum dixeris; ipsum non expresseris: sive illum dixeris Virtutem, potentiam ipsius magis quam ipsum dixeris et deprompseris: sive dixeris Majestatem, honorem ipsius magis quam illum ipsum descripseris. Et quid per singula quaeque percurrens longum facio? semel totum explicabo. Quidquid omnino de illo retuleris, rem aliquam ipsius magis et virtutem, quam ipsum explicaveris. Quid enim de eo condigne aut dicas, aut sentias, qui omnibus et sermonibus et sensibus major est? Nisi quod uno modo (et hoc ipsum quomodo possumus, quomodo capimus, quomodo intelligere licet) quid sit Deus mente capiemus, si cogitaverimus id illum esse, quod quale, et quantum sit non possit intelligi, nec in ipsam quidem cogitationem possit venire. Nam si ad solis aspectum oculorum nostrorum acies hebescit, ne orbem ipsum obtutus inspiciat obviorum sibi superatus fulgore radiorum: hoc idem mentis acies patitur in cogitatione omni de Deo; et quanto ad considerandum Deum plus intenditur, tanto magis ipsa cogitationis suae luce caecatur. Quid enim de eo (ut iterum repetam) condigne dicas, qui est sublimitate omni sublimior, et altitudine omni altior, et profundo omni profundior, et omni luce lucidior, et omni claritate clarior, omni splendore splendidior, omni robore robustior, omni virtute viritior, omni pulchritudine pulchrior, veritate omni verior, et fortitudine omni fortior, et majestate omni major, et omni potentia potentior, et omnibus divitiis ditior, omni prudentia prudentior, et omni benignitate benignior, omni bonitate melior, omni justitia justior, omni clementia clementior? Minora enim sint necesse est omnium genera virtutum eo ipso, qui virtutum omnium et Deus et Parens est: ut vere dici possit, id Deus esse, quod ejusmodi est cui comparari nihil potest. Super omne est enim quod dici potest. Mens est enim quaedam gignens et complens omnia, quae sine ullo aut initio aut termino temporis, causas rerum naturaliter nexas ad utilitatem omnium summa et perfecta ratione moderetur.
English · Claude translation
Above all these he himself contains all things, leaving nothing empty outside himself, and he has left no room for a God superior to him (as some think). Since he has enclosed all things in the bosom of his perfect greatness and power, he is always intent upon his work: he passes through all things, moves all things, gives life to all things, beholds all things, and joins discordant matter into a harmony of elements, so that out of unlike elements one world has been made firm, bound together in such a union that it cannot be dissolved by any force, except when he alone who made it orders it to be dissolved, in order to provide other and greater things for us. For we read that he contains all things, and therefore nothing could exist outside him. Since he has no origin at all, he consequently experiences no end: unless perhaps (which God forbid) he began to exist at some time, and is not above all things, but, having begun to exist after something, is below that which existed before him, found to be less in power since he is marked as later even in time. For this reason, then, he is always immeasurable, because nothing is greater than he; always eternal, because nothing is older than he. For what is without origin can be preceded by nothing, since it is not subject to time. Therefore he is immortal, not failing in the end of a final dissolution. And since whatever is without origin is without law, he shuts out the measure of time, since he feels himself debtor to no one.
Concerning him, then, and the things that are his and in him, neither can the mind of man worthily conceive what they are, how great they are, and of what kind, nor does the eloquence of human speech put forth a power of speech equal to his majesty. For all eloquence is rightly dumb, and every mind is too small, to conceive and to express his majesty. For he is greater than the mind itself, and it cannot be conceived how great he is, lest, if he could be conceived, he should be less than the human mind by which he could be grasped. He is greater also than all speech and cannot be expressed, lest, if he could be expressed, he should be less than human speech, by which, when he is expressed, he could be encompassed and gathered up. For whatever is thought about him will be less than he; and whatever is uttered will be less than he when compared with him. We can in some measure perceive him in silence, but we cannot unfold him in speech as he is. For if you call him Light, you name his creature rather than himself; you have not expressed him. If you call him Power, you name and set forth his might rather than himself. If you say Majesty, you have described his honor rather than himself. And why should I make a long matter of it by running through each item? I will explain the whole at once. Whatever you say of him at all, you will have explained some attribute and power of his rather than himself. For what can you fittingly say or think of him who is greater than all words and all thoughts? Except that in one way (and this in so far as we can, as we grasp it, as it is permitted to understand) we shall grasp with the mind what God is, if we think of him as being that whose quality and greatness cannot be understood and cannot even come into thought itself. For if the sharpness of our eyes is dulled at the sight of the sun, so that our gaze cannot look at the orb itself, overcome by the brightness of the rays that meet it, the sharpness of the mind suffers the same in every thought of God: the more it strains to contemplate God, the more it is blinded by the very light of its thought.
For what can you fittingly say (to repeat myself) of him who is loftier than all loftiness, higher than all height, deeper than all depth, brighter than all light, clearer than all clearness, more splendid than all splendor, stronger than all strength, mightier than all might, more beautiful than all beauty, truer than all truth, braver than all bravery, greater than all majesty, more powerful than all power, richer than all riches, wiser than all wisdom, kinder than all kindness, better than all goodness, more just than all justice, more merciful than all mercy? For all kinds of excellence must necessarily be less than him who is both the God and the Father of all excellences; so that it may truly be said that God is that which is such that nothing can be compared with it. For he is above all that can be said. For he is a kind of Mind, begetting and filling all things, which, without any beginning or end of time, governs by supreme and perfect reason the causes of things, naturally linked together, for the benefit of all.
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Translation notes
- The “God superior to him” whom “some think” exists is the higher God of Marcion and the Gnostics. “Mightier than all might” renders “omni virtute viritior”, apparently a corrupt “virtutior” or the like. Migne's reference to 2 Pet 3:13 is for the world's dissolution “to provide other and greater things”.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: B for D; OCR: M for N; OCR: broken letter; OCR: e for o; OCR: h for b; OCR: l for t; OCR: misread letters; OCR: o for e; OCR: u for n; OCR: uncertain character; OCR: uncertain characters; editorial chapter summary (printed as a heading in ANF), not Novatian's text; removed like Migne's Argumentum in ch. 8): Deus super omnia, ipse continens omnia, immensus, aeternus, mente hominis major, sermone inexplicabilis, sublimitate omni sublimior. → ; emnium → omnium; disparihus → disparibus; c(??)agn(??)entata → coagmentata; sod dum → sed dum; merito mula est → merito muta est; aliqua(??)(??)nus → aliquatenus; sirn(??)one → sermone; do co condigne → de eo condigne; Misi quod → Nisi quod; lice(??)) → licet); super(??)tus → superatus; considerandum Beum → considerandum Deum; cogilationis → cogitationis; omui → omni; clen entia → clementia.
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Novatian, Trin. 2 (PL 3:915b–917c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/novatian-trinitate/2/).
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Novatian, Trin. 2 (PL 3:915b–917c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/novatian-trinitate/2/).
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