Against Fate 1–6

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Chapter 1

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Μέμνησαι πάντως ὅ τί μοι γέγονεν, ὅτε πρώην διὰ πολλοῦ παρʼ ὑμᾶς Τὸ μέγα τῆς ἀπιστίας ὄρος, εὐαγγελικῶς εἰπεῖν, εἰς πίστιν μετεκιγήθη· τοῦ σοφωτάτου Εὐσεδίου τῆς πολιᾶς ἀξίως ἐν γήρ βουεὐσαμένου· εἴ τίσιν ἀνθρώπου βουλὴν εἶνα; χρὴ ταύτην λογίσασθαι, καὶ μὴ θείαν τινὰ συμμαχίαν τοῦ διοικοῦντος ἐπ᾽ ἀγαθῷ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον. Τότε δή μοι πρὸς τὸ παράδοξον ἐχπεπληγμένῳ τοῦ θαύματος· πῶς ὁ τοιοῦτος ἐν ἀπιστίᾳ τὸ πρότερον, πολλαπλάσιον τῷ μεγέθει τῆς πίστεως ὑπερέδαλε τῆς ἀπιστίας τὸ μέτρον, ἐπειδή τις προϊούσης ἡμῖν τῆς συνονσίας τῶν κατὰ τὴν εἱμαρμένην ζητουμένων λόγος ἐνέπεσεν, ἐπέταξας, ὦ τιμία μοι καὶ ἱερὰ κεφαλὴ, τὴν γενομένην πρός τινα τῶν φιλοσόφων διάλεξιν ἐν τῇ μεγάλῃ τοῦ Κωνσταντίνου πόλει περὶ τῆς ὑποθέσεως ταύτης ἐγγράφως σοι δι᾽ ἐπιστολῆς διηγήσασθαι. Μικρᾶς τοίνυν ἐπιτυχὼν σχολῆς, δι᾽ ὀλίγων, ὡς οἷόν τξ, συντεμὼν τὸν λόγον, ἐκτίθεμαί σοι ἐν ἁπλῷ καὶ ἀκατασχευάστῳ διηγήματι· φυλασσόμενος ὅτι μάλιστα, τὸ μὴ πόῤῥω τῶν ἐπιστολιμαίων μέτρων ἐκπεσεῖν τὸν λόγον εἰς λογογραφικὸν μῆκος Προσῆγον ἐγώ τινας τῆς καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς εὐσεδείας γοὺς ἀνδρί τινι πεπαιδευμένῳ τὴν ἔξω σοφίαν, ὡς ἐνῆν ἐκ τῶν λεγομένων στοχάσασθαι, καὶ πείθειν ἐπεχείρουν ἐκ τοῦ Ἑ λληνισμοῦ πρὸς τὴν συγκατάθεσιν τοῦ καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς δόγματος μετατάξασθαι. Ἐπεὶ δὲ πολὺς ἣν χατασχευάζξζων μὴ κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν προκεῖσθαι τοῖς βουλομένοις τῶν κατὰ γνώμην τὴν αἵρεσιν ἀλλὰ διά τινος ἐξάπτων ἀνάγκης τὴν τῶν ἀνθρώπων ζῳὴν, ἧς ἄνευ μὴ ἄν τι γενέσθαι τῶν ἐν ἡμῖν γινομένων. Καὶ τούτῳ τῷ λόγῳ τὸν ἐμὸν παρεχρούετο γον ὡς εἰ μὲν εἵμαρται αὐτῷ γενέσθαι Χριστιανῷ, γενήσεται πάντως κἂν ἡμεῖς μὴ βουλώμεθα ᾿ τῇ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκῃ, μὴ ἂν δυνατὸν ἐξευρεῖν τινα μηχανὴν ἣ τὴν εἱμαρμένην βιάσεται. Ταῦτα λέγοντος, ἐγὼ μὲν, ὅπερ εἰκὸς ἣν, φεύγειν ᾧμην αὑτὸν τὸ μαθεῖν τι περὶ τῆς πίστεως τῷ Ἑλληνισμῷ διὰ βάθους ἐγκείμενον, καὶ τούτῳ τῷ τρόπῳ τὴν ἀκολουθίαν τοῦ ἡμετέρου παρακρούεσθαι λόγου. Ἐπεὶ δὲ οὐκ ἀνίει τοῖς αὐτοῖς ἐπιμένων, πάντα λέγων ὑπεζεῦχθαι τῇ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκῃ, κἀκείνην ἐπιστατεῖν τῶν ὄντων, καὶ τῇ τροπῇ ταύτης πάντα ὑποχύπτειν τὰ ὄντα, ζωῆς τε μέτρα, καὶ ἠθῶν διαφορὰς, καὶ βίων αἱρέσεις, καὶ σωμάτων κατασκευὰς, καὶ τὰς τῶν ἀξιωμάτων ἀνωμαλίας ἄρχειν τε πάντως τὸν καθ᾽ εἱμαρμένην ἐπὶ τὴν ἀρχὴν παριόντα, δουλεύειν τε κατὰ τὴν αὐτὴν αἰτίαν, καὶ πλουτεῖν ὡσαύτως καὶ πένεσθαι· ἐῤῥῶσθαί τε πάλιν τῷ σώματ:, καὶ ἀσθενῶς ἔχειν· τό τε ὠκύμορον καὶ μαχρόδιον, τὴν αὐτὴν ἔχει [ν] αἰτίαν.·Ὃ τε γὰρ ἐν ὀλίγῳ μετασχὼν τῆς ζωῆς, καὶ ἐν μακρῷ τῷ χρόνῳ παρατείνας τὸν ϑίον, οὐ κατὰ οἰκείαν ὁρμὴν, ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ τῆς ἀνάγκης ἐκείνης ἐν ἑκατέρῳ ἑκάτερος γίνεται· τόν τε αὐτόματον καὶ τὸν ἢναγχασμένον θάνατον μὴ ἄλλως ἢ παρ᾽ ἐκείνης ἀποχληροῦσθαι, τοῦ τε βιαίου Ἶ θανάτου τὰς πολυτρόπους διαφορὰς, ἐν συμπτώμασιν ἢ ψήφῳ διχαστιχῇ, ἢ καὶ κατ᾽ ἐπαγομένας. Καὶ τὰ ἔτι τούτων χαθολιχώτερα καὶ περιληπτιχώτερα πάθη, σεισμοὺς καὶ ναυάγια, καὶ ἐπικλύσεις ὑδάτων, καὶ τὰς ἐκ πυρὸς συμφορὰς, καὶ ὅσα τοιαῦτα εἴδη κακῶν πάντα τῆς αἰτίας ἐκείνης ἐξάπτων, προσετίθει καὶ τῶν κατὰ τὸν βίον ἐπιτηδευμάτων μηδαμοῦ τὸν λογισμὸν τοῦ αἱρουμένου κύριον εἶναιʼ πάντας δὲ τῷ χράτε: τῆς εἱμαρμένης ὑπηρετοῦντας, ἢ φιλοσοφεῖν, ἢ ῥητορεύειν, ἢ γεωργεῖν, ἢ ναυτίλλεσθαι, ἣ ἐν γάμῳ ζῇν, ἣ τὸν ἄγαμον αἱρεῖσθαι βίον, ἀρετῆς τε καὶ χκαχίας τὴν αὐτὴν ἀνάγκὴν εἶναι διισχυρίζετο. Ὥστε κατὰ τὴν ἀπαράδατον ταύτην ἀποκλήρωσιν, τὸν μὲν τῇ ὑψηλοτέρᾳ προσἀνέχειν ζωῇ ἐν ἀκτήμονι καὶ ἐλευθερίῳ ζῶντα βίῳ· σθαι, ἣ τῷ ἑταιριχῷ βίῳ ἀποθηλύνεσθαι. Καὶ πάντα τὰ τοιαῦτα διεξιὼν, ἰσχυρὰν ᾧετο τοῦ μὴ παραδέξασθα: τὸν λόγον ἡμῶν αἰτίαν ἐπιδεδεῖχθα!,, τὸ μὴ ἐφ᾽ ἡμῖν εἶναι ὅπερ ἂν θέλωμεν κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν αἱρεῖσθαι, ἀλλὰ δεῖν ἀναμεῖναι τὴν ἀνάγκην ἐκείνην, ἧς τὸ ἐνδόσιμον πρὸς τὴν τοιαύτην ὁρμὴν παρασχούσης ἐπ᾽ ἀνάγκης εἶναι προσθέσθα! τῷ λόγῳ, καὶ μὴ βουλόμενον᾿ ἄνευ δὲ ἐκείνης, καὶ σφόδρα προαιρουμένου, μὴ δυνατὸν εἶναι γενέσθαι. Ἐγὼ δὲ ταῦτα αὐτοῦ καὶ Αἱ τὰ τοιαῦτα διεξιόντος, ἐρόμην αὐτὸν, εἰ Θεόν τινα οἴεται τὸν κατὰ πάντων ἔχοντα κράτος, τὸν τῷ ὀνόματι τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀποχαλούμενον, οὗ τῷ βουλήματι τὰ καθ᾽ ἕκαστον οἰκονομεῖσθαι πεπίστευκεν. Ὁ δὲ πολλὴν μου καταγνοὺς ματι, Οὔ μοι δοκεῖς κατανενοηκέναι, φησὶ, τῶν οὐρανίων οὐδέν. ἯἮ γὰρ ἂν ἔγνως τῆς εἱμαρμένης τὴν δύναμιν, καὶ ὅπως χατελίφθη τῶν καθʼ εἱρμὸν ἣ δύναμις. Ἐμοῦ δὲ καὶ πρὸς τοῦτον ξενοφωνουμένου τὸν λόγον, καί᾽ τι σαφέστερον ἀξιοῦντος μαθεῖν, πότερον δύναμίν τινα προαιρετικὴν αὐτοχρατῇ τε καὶ ἀδέσποτον, ἐν μένῃ τινὶ ἐξουσίᾳ θεωρουμένην τὴν εἱμαρμένην εἶναι φαντάζεται, ἣ ἄλλο τι παρὰ τοῦτο ὑπείληφε, πάλιν τὸν αὐτὸν ἐπαναλαδὼν λόγον, Ὁ τῶν οὐρανίων, φησὶν, ἐπεσχεμμένος τὴν κίνησιν, τόν τε ζωδιοφόρον κύκλον, καὶ τὰ ἐν αὐτῷ δυοκαίδεκα τμήματα, ᾿ περιγραφῇ τῶν ἐνθεωρουμένων ζωδίων δι᾽ ἴτον ἀπ᾿ ἀλλήλων διεστηκότα, ἑκάστου τε τῶν ἄστρων τὴν ξύναμιν κατανοήσας, τίνα μὲν ἐφ᾽ ἑαντοῦ ἕκαστην ἐκ φύσεως ἰσχὺν ἔχει· τί δὲ ἡ σύνοδος αὐτῶν ἐκ τῆς ποιᾶς πρὸς ἄλχληλᾳ κράσεως ἀπεργάζεται, τῆς κατὰ δύναμιν ἑκάστου αὐτῶν ἰδιότητος μιχθείσης τε τῷ προσεγγισμῷ πρὸς τὴν ἑτέραν, καὶ ἀποχριθείσης διὰ τῆς ἀποστάσεως· τί τε πάλιν ἣ τοῦ χατωτέρου ὑπόόασις ἐργάζεται καὶ τί ἡ τοῦ ὑπερχειμένου κατὰ τὴν πάροδον ἔκλειψις, καὶ πάλιν ἀποκατάστασις, ὅ τε ποικίλος τῶν συνιόντων τε καὶ ἀφισταμένων σχημασχήμασιν, ἣ καὶ ἄλλο τι τῶν κατὰ γεωμετρίαν θεωρουμένων σχημάτων ἀποτελῶν ὁ ταῦτα καὶ τὰ ποιαῦτα κατανοήσας, εἴσεται τῆς εἱμαρμένης τὸ σημαινόμενον, ὅτι τὸ εἱρμῷ τινε ἀπαραδάτῳ κατὰ τὴν ποιὰν συμπλοκὴν τῶν ἀστέρων ἀναγκαίως ἀποτελούμενον τῷ ὀνόματι τῆς εἱμαρμένης διηρμήνευται.

Memnēsai pantōs ho ti moi gegonen, hote prōēn dia pollou parʼ hymas To mega tēs apistias oros, euangelikōs eipein, eis pistin metekigēthē; tou sophōtatou Eusediou tēs polias axiōs en gēr boueusamenou; ei tisin anthrōpou boulēn eina? chrē tautēn logisasthai, kai mē theian tina symmachian tou dioikountos ep᾽ agathǭ to anthrōpinon. Tote dē moi pros to paradoxon echpeplēgmenǭ tou thaumatos; pōs ho toioutos en apistią to proteron, pollaplasion tǭ megethei tēs pisteōs hyperedale tēs apistias to metron, epeidē tis proïousēs hēmin tēs synonsias tōn kata tēn heimarmenēn zētoumenōn logos enepesen, epetaxas, ō timia moi kai hiera kephalē, tēn genomenēn pros tina tōn philosophōn dialexin en tę̄ megalę̄ tou Kōnstantinou polei peri tēs hypotheseōs tautēs engraphōs soi di᾽ epistolēs diēgēsasthai. Mikras toinyn epitychōn scholēs, di᾽ oligōn, hōs hoion tx, syntemōn ton logon, ektithemai soi en haplǭ kai akatascheuastǭ diēgēmati; phylassomenos hoti malista, to mē porrhō tōn epistolimaiōn metrōn ekpesein ton logon eis logographikon mēkos Prosēgon egō tinas tēs kath᾽ hēmas eusedeias gous andri tini pepaideumenǭ tēn exō sophian, hōs enēn ek tōn legomenōn stochasasthai, kai peithein epecheiroun ek tou He llēnismou pros tēn synkatathesin tou kath᾽ hēmas dogmatos metataxasthai. Epei de polys hēn chatascheuazxzōn mē kat᾽ exousian prokeisthai tois boulomenois tōn kata gnōmēn tēn hairesin alla dia tinos exaptōn anankēs tēn tōn anthrōpōn zǭēn, hēs aneu mē an ti genesthai tōn en hēmin ginomenōn. Kai toutǭ tǭ logǭ ton emon parechroueto gon hōs ei men heimartai autǭ genesthai Christianǭ, genēsetai pantōs kan hēmeis mē boulōmetha ᾿ tę̄ tēs heimarmenēs anankę̄, mē an dynaton exeurein tina mēchanēn hē tēn heimarmenēn biasetai. Tauta legontos, egō men, hoper eikos hēn, pheugein hǭmēn hauton to mathein ti peri tēs pisteōs tǭ Hellēnismǭ dia bathous enkeimenon, kai toutǭ tǭ tropǭ tēn akolouthian tou hēmeterou parakrouesthai logou. Epei de ouk aniei tois autois epimenōn, panta legōn hypezeuchthai tę̄ tēs heimarmenēs anankę̄, kakeinēn epistatein tōn ontōn, kai tę̄ tropę̄ tautēs panta hypochyptein ta onta, zōēs te metra, kai ēthōn diaphoras, kai biōn haireseis, kai sōmatōn kataskeuas, kai tas tōn axiōmatōn anōmalias archein te pantōs ton kath᾽ heimarmenēn epi tēn archēn parionta, douleuein te kata tēn autēn aitian, kai ploutein hōsautōs kai penesthai; errhōsthai te palin tǭ sōmat:, kai asthenōs echein; to te ōkymoron kai machrodion, tēn autēn echei [n] aitian.;Ho te gar en oligǭ metaschōn tēs zōēs, kai en makrǭ tǭ chronǭ parateinas ton ϑion, ou kata oikeian hormēn, all᾽ ek tēs anankēs ekeinēs en hekaterǭ hekateros ginetai; ton te automaton kai ton ēnanchasmenon thanaton mē allōs ē par᾽ ekeinēs apochlērousthai, tou te biaiou I thanatou tas polytropous diaphoras, en symptōmasin ē psēphǭ dichastichę̄, ē kai kat᾽ epagomenas. Kai ta eti toutōn chatholichōtera kai perilēptichōtera pathē, seismous kai nauagia, kai epiklyseis hydatōn, kai tas ek pyros symphoras, kai hosa toiauta eidē kakōn panta tēs aitias ekeinēs exaptōn, prosetithei kai tōn kata ton bion epitēdeumatōn mēdamou ton logismon tou hairoumenou kyrion einaiʼ pantas de tǭ chrate: tēs heimarmenēs hypēretountas, ē philosophein, ē rhētoreuein, ē geōrgein, ē nautillesthai, hē en gamǭ zę̄n, hē ton agamon haireisthai bion, aretēs te kai chkachias tēn autēn anankēn einai diischyrizeto. Hōste kata tēn aparadaton tautēn apoklērōsin, ton men tę̄ hypsēloterą prosanechein zōę̄ en aktēmoni kai eleutheriǭ zōnta biǭ; sthai, hē tǭ hetairichǭ biǭ apothēlynesthai. Kai panta ta toiauta diexiōn, ischyran hǭeto tou mē paradexastha: ton logon hēmōn aitian epidedeichtha!,, to mē eph᾽ hēmin einai hoper an thelōmen kat᾽ exousian haireisthai, alla dein anameinai tēn anankēn ekeinēn, hēs to endosimon pros tēn toiautēn hormēn paraschousēs ep᾽ anankēs einai prosthestha! tǭ logǭ, kai mē boulomenon᾿ aneu de ekeinēs, kai sphodra proairoumenou, mē dynaton einai genesthai. Egō de tauta autou kai Hai ta toiauta diexiontos, eromēn auton, ei Theon tina oietai ton kata pantōn echonta kratos, ton tǭ onomati tēs heimarmenēs apochaloumenon, hou tǭ boulēmati ta kath᾽ hekaston oikonomeisthai pepisteuken. Ho de pollēn mou katagnous mati, Ou moi dokeis katanenoēkenai, phēsi, tōn ouraniōn ouden. HēĒ gar an egnōs tēs heimarmenēs tēn dynamin, kai hopōs chateliphthē tōn kathʼ heirmon hē dynamis. Emou de kai pros touton xenophōnoumenou ton logon, kai᾽ ti saphesteron axiountos mathein, poteron dynamin tina proairetikēn autochratę̄ te kai adespoton, en menę̄ tini exousią theōroumenēn tēn heimarmenēn einai phantazetai, hē allo ti para touto hypeilēphe, palin ton auton epanaladōn logon, Ho tōn ouraniōn, phēsin, epeschemmenos tēn kinēsin, ton te zōdiophoron kyklon, kai ta en autǭ dyokaideka tmēmata, ᾿ perigraphę̄ tōn entheōroumenōn zōdiōn di᾽ iton ap᾿ allēlōn diestēkota, hekastou te tōn astrōn tēn xynamin katanoēsas, tina men eph᾽ heantou hekastēn ek physeōs ischyn echei; ti de hē synodos autōn ek tēs poias pros alchlēlą kraseōs apergazetai, tēs kata dynamin hekastou autōn idiotētos michtheisēs te tǭ prosengismǭ pros tēn heteran, kai apochritheisēs dia tēs apostaseōs; ti te palin hē tou chatōterou hypooasis ergazetai kai ti hē tou hypercheimenou kata tēn parodon ekleipsis, kai palin apokatastasis, ho te poikilos tōn syniontōn te kai aphistamenōn schēmaschēmasin, hē kai allo ti tōn kata geōmetrian theōroumenōn schēmatōn apotelōn ho tauta kai ta poiauta katanoēsas, eisetai tēs heimarmenēs to sēmainomenon, hoti to heirmǭ tine aparadatǭ kata tēn poian symplokēn tōn asterōn anankaiōs apoteloumenon tǭ onomati tēs heimarmenēs diērmēneutai.

Against Fate

You surely remember what happened to me when I was with you recently, [after a long time]. The great mountain of unbelief, to speak in the language of the gospel, was moved to faith, the most wise Eusebius having taken counsel in his old age worthily of his grey hairs, if one should reckon this a man's counsel at all, and not some divine aid [of the one who] governs human life for good. Then, when I was astonished at the unexpectedness of the wonder, how such a man, formerly in unbelief, had surpassed the measure of his unbelief many times over by the greatness of his faith, and as our conversation went on talk turned to the questions about fate, you commanded me, my honoured and sacred head, to relate to you in writing, by letter, the discussion I had with one of the philosophers in the great city of Constantine on this subject. Having found a little leisure, then, I set it out for you briefly, cutting the account short as far as possible, in a simple and unadorned narrative, taking care above all that the account should not fall far beyond the measure of a letter into the length of a treatise.

I was bringing certain [arguments] of our religion to a man educated in the outside wisdom, as one could guess from what he said, and was trying to persuade him to change over from Hellenism to assent to our doctrine. But he insisted at length that the choice of what is willed does not lie in the power of those who wish it, but he made human life depend on some necessity, without which none of the things that happen in us would happen. And by this argument he was putting off my [reasoning]: if it was fated for him to become a Christian, he would certainly become one, even if we did not wish it; [but if not], by the necessity of fate, no means could be found that would force fate. When he said this, I thought, as was natural, that he was fleeing from learning anything about the faith, being deeply sunk in Hellenism, and in this way was putting off the course of our argument. But since he did not let up, persisting in the same things, saying that all things were yoked under the necessity of fate, that it presided over beings, and that all beings bowed to its turning, the measures of life, the differences of character, the choices of ways of life, the constitutions of bodies, and the inequalities of rank: that the one who comes to rule by fate certainly rules, and for the same cause one is a slave, and likewise is rich or poor, and again is healthy in body or sick; that a short life and a long life have the same cause; for the one who shares in life for a short time and the one who prolongs his life over a long time each comes to be in each not by his own impulse but from that necessity; that voluntary death and compelled death are allotted by nothing other than it, and the manifold differences of violent death, in accidents, or by the verdict of a court, or by [attacks]; and connecting also with that cause the still more general and comprehensive calamities, earthquakes and shipwrecks and floods of water and disasters from fire, and all such kinds of evils, he added that in the pursuits of life the reasoning of the one who chooses is nowhere master, but that all, serving the power of fate, either practise philosophy, or rhetoric, or farm, or sail, or live in marriage, or choose the unmarried life; and he insisted that there is the same necessity for virtue and vice. So that, according to this inviolable allotment, one devotes himself to the higher life, living a life without possessions and free; [another is drawn to gluttony and drunkenness, or] grows effeminate in a whore's life. And going through all such things, he thought he had shown a strong reason for not accepting our argument: that it is not in our power to choose by our own authority whatever we wish, but that one must wait for that necessity; when it gives the signal for such an impulse, one must of necessity assent to the argument, even unwilling; and without it, even if one chooses vehemently, it cannot happen.

While he was going through these and such things, I asked him whether he thought that what is called by the name of fate, by whose will he believed each thing to be governed, is some God who has power over all things. But he, condemning my great [ignorance], said, "You do not seem to me to have understood anything of the heavenly things. For then you would have known the power of fate, and how the power of things in sequence (εἱρμός) was left [to it]." When I was a stranger to this language too, and asked to learn something more clearly, whether he imagined fate to be some power of choice, sovereign and masterless, seen in a [self-sufficient] authority, or supposed it to be something else, he took up the same argument again and said: "The one who has examined the movement of the heavenly bodies, the zodiac circle and the twelve divisions in it, standing equally apart from one another in the outline of the signs seen in them, and has understood the power of each of the stars, what strength each has of itself by nature, what their conjunction works from the particular mixing with one another, the property of the power of each being mixed by approach to the other and separated by distance; and again what the going under of the lower works and what the eclipse of the higher in passing, and again its restoration; and the varied [shapes] of those that come together and stand apart, [forming triangles or squares in their] figures, or some other of the figures seen in geometry, the one who has understood these and such things will know what fate signifies: that what is necessarily brought about by an inviolable sequence (εἱρμός), according to the particular interweaving of the stars, is interpreted by the name of fate (εἱμαρμένη)."

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Matt 17:20 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 21:21 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Writing to a friend after the conversion of an old unbeliever, Eusebius, Gregory begins his account of a debate in Constantinople with a philosopher who held that every human life, choice, virtue, and vice is fixed by fate, which he defined astrologically as the necessary sequence produced by the interweaving of the stars.

  • No public-domain English translation is known to us and the editor's library has no FOTC volume for this treatise; the translation was re-read against the Greek. εἱμαρμένη "fate", εἱρμός "sequence" (the etymology is the philosopher's), μοῖρα "portion", προαίρεσις "choice". The addressee is not named; the "most wise Eusebius" is otherwise unknown.
  • "The great mountain of unbelief … moved to faith" alludes to Matt 17:20 / 21:21. Lines are lost in the scan in the opening sentences and in the list of astrological figures; words supplied by sense are in brackets. Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections.

Notes on the original text

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Topics: Providence, Free will

Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 1 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.

Chapter 2

2PG 45

Ἐπεὶ δέ με καὶ τοῦτο πάλιν ἐξένιζεν· οὐ γὰρ συνίην τῶν λεγομένων οὐδὲν, ἅτε μὴ πεπαιδευμένος ταύτην τὴν παίδευσιν· ἠξίουν, δι᾽ ὧν ἦν μοι δυνατὸν γνῶναι τὴν τῆς εἱμαρμένης διάνοιαν, διὰ τούτων μοι φανερὺν ποιεῖν τὸ λεγόμενον. Τοὺς γὰρ ἀστρῴους χλους ἄλλον ἄλλῳ ἐγχεῖσθα:, καὶ τὴν ἐναντίαν χίένησιν τῇ ἀπλανεῖ περιφορᾷ κατὰ τὸ ἐντὸς ἀνελίσσεσθαι, καὶ πάντας ταύτους τῷ ζωδιακῷ ἐνδινεῖσθαι κύκλῳ· ραγίοτὶ, δ)ὺὶ ἀδο! πεῖ δεῖν ὑγονΐ ἴ6πι- ταῦτα καὶ παρ᾽ ἑτέρων εἶπον ἀκηκοέναι, καὶ ἐκ τοῦ ἀκολούθου μὴ ἀμφιδάλλειν, τὰς τῶν φωστήρων αὐγὰς κατὰ τὴν ἰδιάζουσαν ἐκάστῳ τῶν πόλων χυχλοφορίαν προσεγγίξειν τε καὶ ἀφίστασθαι, καὶ ὑποδαένειν τὸν ΠΟΠΥ̓ΘΓΒΙΟ. κατώτερον, καὶ κρύπτεσθαι τὸν ὑπερκείμενον ἀπὸ τῶν ἡμετέρων ὄψεων, εἰ κατὰ νώτου γένοιτο τοῦ ὑποδαίνοντος· καὶ πάντα ὅσα εἰκὸς ἐκ τοῦ ἀκολούθου λογίσασθαι, εἴτε τι σχῆμα διὰ τούτων ἀποτελεῖται, ὅταν ὁ κύκλος περιστῇ διὰ τῆς ἰδίας κινήσεως τὸ ἐφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ κείμενον ἄστρον - ὥστε ἣ κατ᾽ εὐθεῖαν τοῦ ὑπερκειμένον γενέσθαι, ἣ πλαγιάσαι κατὰ τὴν πάροδον, εἴτε δι᾽ ὀλίγου τοῦ χρονικοῦ διαστήματος, εἴτε διὰ πλείονος ἑκάστου τούτων ἡ περίοδας γίνεται, κατὰ τὸ μέγεθος τῆς καθ᾽ ἕκαστον τῶν κύκλων ἀναλογίας, ἀναγκαίως ἣ θᾶττον ἣ βράδιον τῆς ἀναστροΤαῦτα πάντα καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα σιγᾷν ἠξίουν, μόνον δέ μοι σαφῶς ἐκχαλύπτειν τῆς εἱμαρμένης τὴν δύνα. μιν, Θεός τίς ἐστιν ὁ τῷ ὀνόματι τῆς εἱμαρμένης νοούμενος, καὶ τοῦ παντὸς ἐξημμένος τὸ κράτος, καὶ : Βὶ πάντα κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν τῷ ὑπερέχοντι τῆς δυνάμεως πρὸς τὸ δοκοῦν διοικούμενος· ἢ ἄλλης τινὸς ὑπερκειμένης ἐνεργείας ὑπουργὸν εἶναι τὴν τῆς εἱμαρμένης ὑποτίθεται δύναμιν, ὥστε καὶ αὐτὴν τρόπον τινὰ ὑπὸ ἑτέραν εἱμαρμένην κεῖσθαι, τῇ ὑπερεχούσῃ συνδιατιθεμένην αἰτίᾳ. Εἰ μὲν γὰρ αὕτη τὸ κατὰ πάντων ἔχειν κράτος πεπίστευται, τὸ μηδὲν ὑ ἴσθα: ταύτης ἡ ἀκολουθία τοῦ λόγου δίδωσιν οἴεσθαι. Εἰ δὲ τῇ κινήσει τῶν ἄστρων ἀκολουθοῦσαν τὴν εἱμαρμένὴν, κρατεῖν αὐτὴν βιαίᾳ τινὶ ἀνάγκῃ τῶν πάντων διισχυρίζεται, ἀσφαλέστερον ἦν τῷ προηγουμένῳ μᾶλλον ἣ τῷ ἑπομένῳ τὴν παντοδύναμον ταύτην προσμαρτυρεῖν ἐξουσίαν· καὶ τὰ ἄστρα τούτων αἴτια λέγειν, ἣ τὴν ἀπλανῆ περιφορὰν, ἣ τοὺς ἐντὸς ταύτῆς ἐνθεωρουμένου; κύκλους, ἣ τὸν ραγμένον τῷ πόλῳ κχύχλον. Εἰ γάρ τις δοίη καθ᾽ ὑπόθεσιν μὴ κινεῖσθαι ταῦτα, μηδὲ διὰ τῆς ἀϊδίου χυχλοφορίας, ἣ ἐν ἀλλήλοις· ἀπ᾽ ἀλλήλων γίνεσθαι, ἀλλ᾽ ἐπὶ τοῦ αὐτοῦ σχήματος ὡσαύτως ἔχειν ἀεί· οὐκ ἂν ἡ εἱμαρμένη συσταίη. Εἰ οὖν ἡ κίνησις τῶν ἄστρων τίκτει τὴν εἱμαρμένην, ἄρα μάτην ἐπικρατεῖν αὕτη τῶν ἄλλων νομίζεται, ἣ τῇ ὑπερκειμένῃ αἰτίᾳ δουλεύουσα, καὶ μὴ ἂν οὖσα; εἰ μὴ ἡ κίνησις ἣν. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐ τοῦτο, φησὶν ὁ φιλόσοφος ἐκεῖνος, οὐκ οὕτως ὁ ἡμέτερος νομίζει λόγος, τὸ εἶναι αὐτὴν ἐφ᾽ ἑαυτὴν τὴν εἱμαρμένην ἐν ὑποστάσει τινὶ θεωρουμένην᾿ ἀλλ᾽ ἐπειδὴ μία τίς ἐστιν ἐν τοῖς οὖσι συμπάθεια, καὶ συνεχές ἐστι τὸ πᾶν ἑαυτῷ, καὶ τὰ καθ᾽ ἕκαστον ἐν τῷ παντὶ θεωρούμενα οἷον ἐπὶ σώματος ἑνὸς ἐν μιᾷ συμπνοίᾳ χαταλαμθάνεται, πάντων πρὸς ἄλληλα πῶὥν μερῶν συννευόντων. Τούτου χάριν ἀρχηγικωτέρας οὔσης τῆς ἄνω λήξεως, τὰ περίγεια πάντα πῷ προηγουμένῳ συνδιατίθεται ’ καὶ πρὸς ἐκεῖνο νεύξ: κατὰ τὴν ἄνω κίνησιν, καὶ τῶν τῇδε πραγμάτων ἐξ ἀνάγκης συγχινουμένων· ἐν διαφόρῳ δὲ, καθὼς εἴρηται, τῇ δυνάμει ἑκάστου τῶν ἄστρων θεωρουμένον. Ὥσπερ ἐπὶ τῆς ἰατρικῆς φαρμακείας, αἱ τῶν εἰδῶν ποιότητες λόγῳ τινὶ τεχνικῶς συμμιχθεῖσαι, ἄλλο τι τὸ ἐκ τοῦ κοινοῦ συγκραθὲν ἀπειργάσαντο, καὶ οὐκ ὅπερ ἕκαστον ἦν πρὸ τῆς πρὸ; ἄλληλα μίξεως· οὕτω καὶ τῶν ἀστρῴων δυνάμεων ἐν διαφόῥροις ἰδιότησι θεωρουμένων, ἡ ποικίλη κατὰ τοὺς αὐτῶν καὶ τὰς τῶν διαφόρων ἰδιωμάτων συμπλοκὴ, τὰς ποιχῆλας;

Epei de me kai touto palin exenizen; ou gar syniēn tōn legomenōn ouden, hate mē pepaideumenos tautēn tēn paideusin; ēxioun, di᾽ hōn ēn moi dynaton gnōnai tēn tēs heimarmenēs dianoian, dia toutōn moi phaneryn poiein to legomenon. Tous gar astrǭous chlous allon allǭ encheistha:, kai tēn enantian chienēsin tę̄ aplanei periphorą kata to entos anelissesthai, kai pantas tautous tǭ zōdiakǭ endineisthai kyklǭ; ragioti, d)ui ado! pei dein hygonï i6pi- tauta kai par᾽ heterōn eipon akēkoenai, kai ek tou akolouthou mē amphidallein, tas tōn phōstērōn augas kata tēn idiazousan ekastǭ tōn polōn chychlophorian prosengixein te kai aphistasthai, kai hypodaenein ton POPYThGBIO. katōteron, kai kryptesthai ton hyperkeimenon apo tōn hēmeterōn opseōn, ei kata nōtou genoito tou hypodainontos; kai panta hosa eikos ek tou akolouthou logisasthai, eite ti schēma dia toutōn apoteleitai, hotan ho kyklos peristę̄ dia tēs idias kinēseōs to eph᾽ heautou keimenon astron - hōste hē kat᾽ eutheian tou hyperkeimenon genesthai, hē plagiasai kata tēn parodon, eite di᾽ oligou tou chronikou diastēmatos, eite dia pleionos hekastou toutōn hē periodas ginetai, kata to megethos tēs kath᾽ hekaston tōn kyklōn analogias, anankaiōs hē thatton hē bradion tēs anastroTauta panta kai ta toiauta sigąn ēxioun, monon de moi saphōs ekchalyptein tēs heimarmenēs tēn dyna. min, Theos tis estin ho tǭ onomati tēs heimarmenēs nooumenos, kai tou pantos exēmmenos to kratos, kai : Bi panta kat᾽ exousian tǭ hyperechonti tēs dynameōs pros to dokoun dioikoumenos; ē allēs tinos hyperkeimenēs energeias hypourgon einai tēn tēs heimarmenēs hypotithetai dynamin, hōste kai autēn tropon tina hypo heteran heimarmenēn keisthai, tę̄ hyperechousę̄ syndiatithemenēn aitią. Ei men gar hautē to kata pantōn echein kratos pepisteutai, to mēden hy istha: tautēs hē akolouthia tou logou didōsin oiesthai. Ei de tę̄ kinēsei tōn astrōn akolouthousan tēn heimarmenēn, kratein autēn biaią tini anankę̄ tōn pantōn diischyrizetai, asphalesteron ēn tǭ proēgoumenǭ mallon hē tǭ hepomenǭ tēn pantodynamon tautēn prosmartyrein exousian; kai ta astra toutōn aitia legein, hē tēn aplanē periphoran, hē tous entos tautēs entheōroumenou? kyklous, hē ton ragmenon tǭ polǭ kchychlon. Ei gar tis doiē kath᾽ hypothesin mē kineisthai tauta, mēde dia tēs aïdiou chychlophorias, hē en allēlois; ap᾽ allēlōn ginesthai, all᾽ epi tou autou schēmatos hōsautōs echein aei; ouk an hē heimarmenē systaiē. Ei oun hē kinēsis tōn astrōn tiktei tēn heimarmenēn, ara matēn epikratein hautē tōn allōn nomizetai, hē tę̄ hyperkeimenę̄ aitią douleuousa, kai mē an ousa? ei mē hē kinēsis hēn. ᾿All᾽ ou touto, phēsin ho philosophos ekeinos, ouk houtōs ho hēmeteros nomizei logos, to einai autēn eph᾽ heautēn tēn heimarmenēn en hypostasei tini theōroumenēn᾿ all᾽ epeidē mia tis estin en tois ousi sympatheia, kai syneches esti to pan heautǭ, kai ta kath᾽ hekaston en tǭ panti theōroumena hoion epi sōmatos henos en mią sympnoią chatalamthanetai, pantōn pros allēla pōōn merōn synneuontōn. Toutou charin archēgikōteras ousēs tēs anō lēxeōs, ta perigeia panta pǭ proēgoumenǭ syndiatithetai ’ kai pros ekeino neux: kata tēn anō kinēsin, kai tōn tę̄de pragmatōn ex anankēs synchinoumenōn; en diaphorǭ de, kathōs eirētai, tę̄ dynamei hekastou tōn astrōn theōroumenon. Hōsper epi tēs iatrikēs pharmakeias, hai tōn eidōn poiotētes logǭ tini technikōs symmichtheisai, allo ti to ek tou koinou synkrathen apeirgasanto, kai ouk hoper hekaston ēn pro tēs pro? allēla mixeōs; houtō kai tōn astrǭōn dynameōn en diaphorhrois idiotēsi theōroumenōn, hē poikilē kata tous autōn kai tas tōn diaphorōn idiōmatōn symplokē, tas poichēlas?

Since this too was strange to me (for I understood nothing of what was said, not having been educated in this learning), I asked him to make what he said plain to me through things by which it was possible for me to know the meaning of fate. For [I said] that the circles of the stars are set one within another, and revolve inwardly with a motion contrary to the revolution of the fixed sphere, and all of them wheel within the zodiac circle: these things I said I had heard from others too, and did not doubt the consequence, that the lights of the luminaries approach and stand apart according to the revolution peculiar to each of the spheres, and the lower goes under, and the higher is hidden from our sight if it comes to be behind the one going under; and all that it is reasonable to reckon in consequence, whether some figure is produced by these when the circle by its own motion carries round the star set in it, so that it comes to be either in a straight line with the higher or slanting in its passage; whether the period of each of these comes about through a short interval of time or a longer one, according to the size of the proportion of each of the circles, the return necessarily [coming about] faster or slower.

All these and such things I asked him to leave in silence, and only to uncover to me clearly the power of fate: whether what is understood by the name of fate is some God, holding power over the universe and governing all things by authority as he sees fit by the superiority of his power; or whether he supposes the power of fate to be the servant of some other higher activity, so that it too in a way lies under another fate, disposed along with the superior cause. For if this is believed to have power over all things, the consequence of the argument lets us think that nothing is [above] it. But if he maintains that fate, following the movement of the stars, rules all things by some violent necessity, it would be safer to testify this all-powerful authority to what leads rather than to what follows, and to call the stars the causes of these things, or the revolution of the fixed sphere, or the circles seen within it, or the circle [fixed] to the pole. For if someone should grant by hypothesis that these do not move, either by their eternal revolution or [by approaching and withdrawing] from one another, but always remain in the same figure, fate would not come into being. If, then, the movement of the stars begets fate, is it not in vain that fate is thought to rule the rest, since it serves the higher cause and would not exist if the movement did not exist?

"But that is not it," says the philosopher; "our account does not hold that fate is something in itself, seen in a subsistence of its own. But since there is a certain single sympathy in beings, and the universe is continuous with itself, and the individual things seen in the universe are grasped as in one body in one common breath, all the parts inclining toward one another, for this reason, since the upper region is more governing, all earthly things are disposed together with what leads, and incline toward it according to the upper movement, the things here being of necessity moved together with it, with the power of each of the stars, as has been said, seen in difference. As in the medical art of drugs, the qualities of the ingredients, mixed skilfully in a certain proportion, produce something else blended from what is common, and not what each was before their mixing with one another, so too, since the stellar powers are seen in different properties, the varied [movement] of them and the interweaving of the different properties [produce] the varied

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Summary: Gregory asks whether fate is a God ruling all or the servant of a higher cause; since fate follows the movement of the stars and would not exist if they stood still, it cannot be master of all; the philosopher replies that fate is not a being but the result of the universe's sympathy, the stars' powers mixing like drugs.

  • Re-read against the Greek. The cosmology (planetary spheres within the fixed sphere, moving in the contrary direction within the zodiac) is the common ancient picture, given in Gregory's words. Words lost in the scan are supplied in brackets.

Topics: Providence, Magic, divination, and astrology

Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 2 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.

Chapter 3

3PG 45

τῶν κατὰ τὸν βίον ἀποτελουμένων διαφορὰς ἐξεργάζεται· οἷόν τινος ἀποῤῥοῆς ἀδιασπάστως ἐκεῖθεν ἐφ᾽ ἡμᾶς διηχούσης. Διά τοι τοῦτο καὶ παρὰ τῶν ἐπιτὰ τοιαῦτα φιλοσοφούντων, αἱ προῤῥήσεις τῶν ἐσομένων οὐκ ἁμαρτάνονται. Ὡς γὰρ ὁ τῆς ἰατρικῆς ἐπιστήμων, εἰ τὸ θερμὸν ἢ ναρχῶδες φάρπρολέγει τὴν συστησομένην ἐκ τῆς τῶν ἑτεροφυῶν μίξεως ἰδιότητα, καὶ τί κατεργάζεται, καὶ μέχρι τίνος τὴν ἰσχὺν ἕξει, καὶ τίνι μὲν ὀλέθριον, τίνι δὲ ἀλεξιτήριον γίνεται· οὕτως καὶ ὁ τοῖς ἄνω δι᾿ ἐπιμελείας προσεσχηκὼς, καὶ τὴν ἑκάστου τῶν ὄντων φύσιν κατανοῆσας,, εἴσεται τὴν ἐκ τῆς ποιᾶς αὐτῶν συμπλοκῇς δύναμιν τί ἀποτελέσει· αὕτη δὲ ἡ ἀποῤὑῥοὴ, οὐδὲ ἐν ὀλίγῳ πρὸς ἑαυτὴν ὁμοίως ἔχει. ᾿Αλλὰ διὰ τὸ ἀστατεῖν ἀεὶ τῶν ἐπιπλεχομένων ἀλλήλως ἄστρων τὴν κίνησιν, ἀναγκαίως κἀκείνη τῇ συνεχείᾳ τῆς κατὰ τὴν κίνησιν ἑτερότητος συναλλοιοῦται· ἀεὶ συμμεταχιρναμένη τῇ ποικιλίᾳ τῆς κινήσεως, καὶ τὰς ἐνεργείας αὑτῆς τῇ χινήῆσει τῶν ἄστρων συνεξαλλάσσουσα. ἯΣς τῶν ἐπὶ τὸν βίον παραγαμένων ἕκαστος, κατὰ τὴν ἐν τῷ ἀκαρεῖ τοῦ διαστήματος ἐπιτυχοῦσαν αὐτῷ μοῖραν σπάσας,, ἐκεῖνο γίνεται, ὅπερ ἣ ἰδιότης τοῦ μέρους ἐκείνου προεμήνυσέ τε καὶ ἀπετέλεσεν. ᾿Ανάγκη γὰρ πᾶσα καθάπερ ἐν ἐχμαγείῳ σφραγῖδος τῷ ἐντεθέντι κηρῷ τὸ κατὰ τὴν γλυφὴν εἶδος περιτυποῦται- οὕτως καὶ τοῦ ἀνθρώπον τὸν βίον, ᾧ ἂν συνενεχθῇ μορίῳ τῆς ἀποῤῥεούσης δυνάμεως ἐκ τῆς τῶν ἄστρων κινήσεως, κατὰ τὴν ἐκείνου τοῦ μέρους ἰδιότητα τυποῦσθαι· κἀκεῖνο γίνεσθαι, ὅπερ εἶχεν ἐν ἑαυτῇ τῆς ἀποῤῥοίας ἡ μοῖρα, ἔσπασεν εὐθὺς τοῦ βίου ἀρχόμενος· ἧ ἅπαξ ἐνσφραγισθεὶς κατὰ τὴν ἐχεῖ θεωρηθεῖσαν δύναμιν, ἀναγκαίως ἐν τῇ κατὰ τὸν βίον ἰδιότητι συμμορφοῦται ᾿ ταῦτα ποιῶν ἣ πάσχων, ὧν τὰς ἀρχὰς ἣ τὰς αἰτίας ἣ πρώτη ἔἕντευξις τῆς ἀστρῴας ἐκείνης ἀποῤῥοῆς κατεδάλετο. Ἐγὼ δὲ τούτων λεγομένων, Οὐ παύσῃ, πρὸς αὐτὸν εἶπον, φληνάφους ἐμοὶ λόγους καὶ λήρους διεξιὼν, πὸ ἀμερὲς ἐκεῖνο μέρος τῆς ἐν ἀκαρεῖ μετουσίας, τῷ ἄνωθεν ἡμῖν, ὡς φὴς, ἐπιῤῥεῖν τῶν πάντων αἴτιον τῶν ἐν ἡμῖν χατασχευνάζων, οὔτε εἰ ἔμψυχον τοῦτο καὶ προαιρετικόν ἐστι λέγων, οὔτε ὅπως χαταχρατεῖ τῶν ἐμψύχων τὸ ἄψυχόν τε καὶ ἀνυπόστατον, καὶ μηδεμίαν ἐκ φύσεως ἰδίαν ἔχον ὁρμὴν δεῖξαι δυνάμεγος, ἀλλὰ πάσης βουλῆς καὶ τῆς ἐκ τῶν λογισμῶν προμηθείας, παιδεύσεώς τε καὶ ἐπιμελείας, καὶ τῶν κατ᾽ ἀρετὴν ἐπιτηδευμάτων, καθάπερ τινὰ τύβᾶννον ἣ δεσπότην, τὸ ἄψυχόν τε καὶ ἀπροαίρετον, ἄστατόν τε καὶ παροδιχὸν, καὶ ἀμερὲς, καὶ ἀνυπόστατον ἐπιστήσας τῷ λόγῳ; Τῆς ἐκείνου δυνάμεως ἐξάπτεις τὴν τῶν ὄντων σύστασίν τε καὶ διοίκησιν, καὶ οὐκ ὁρᾷς εἰς οἵας ὁ λόγος ἀτοπίας ἐκφέρεται ; Εἰ γὰρ τοσαύτην ἔχε: δύναμιν ἐκείνης τῆς ἀποῤῥοῆς ἢ μοῖρα, ὡς κατ᾽ αὐτὴν τοὺς παρὰ τὴν πρώτην πάροον γεγονότας ἀποτελεῖν· πάντως ὅτι οὐκ ἐπαχολουθητικῶς, ἀλλὰ προηγουμένως τῆς τῶν ὄντων συστάσεως ἐξηγήσεται. Οὐκοῦν ἐκείνη προάξει κατὰ τὴν ἰδίαν δύναμιν τὸν τικτόμενον, καὶ οὐχὶ τῇ τοῦ ἐνταῦθα ποῖον τίνος ἀρχηγιχώτερον, ἀμφοτέρων ἐν τῷ ἀκαρεῖ κατὰ τὸ ἶσον ἀλλήλοις συμφερομένων, Ὃ τε γὰρ ἄνθρωπος καὶ πρὸ τῆς ἐξόδου τῶν σπλάγχνωὼν ἐν κινήσει πώς ἐστι, διὰ μειώσεώς τε καὶ αὖ ταπ.. Ηΐς δπὶπὶ ρεγραοίυ5 δὶ, ἴΠ|Ὸ πο Ργυ τ ρ υγ : ξήσεως ἐν τῇ φύσει κινούμενος (ἐπεὶ καὶ τοῦτο κινήσεως εἶδός ἐστι) τό τε ἄστρον καὶ πρὸ τοῦ τὸν ἄνθρωπον τοῦ ἀέρος σπᾶσαι,, φέρεται καὶ οὐκ ἵσταται· ἥ τε συντυχία κατὰ τὸ ἶσον τῶν διὰ κινήσεως ἀλλήλοις συντυγχανόντων, ἄπορον ποιεῖ τοῦ προηγουμένου τὴν κρίσιν. Καὶ γὰρ κἀκεῖνα κινεῖται διὰ τῶν κύκλων, καὶ τοῦτο διὰ τῆς φύσεως ὁδεῦον φέρεται.

tōn kata ton bion apoteloumenōn diaphoras exergazetai; hoion tinos aporrhoēs adiaspastōs ekeithen eph᾽ hēmas diēchousēs. Dia toi touto kai para tōn epita toiauta philosophountōn, hai prorrhēseis tōn esomenōn ouk hamartanontai. Hōs gar ho tēs iatrikēs epistēmōn, ei to thermon ē narchōdes pharprolegei tēn systēsomenēn ek tēs tōn heterophyōn mixeōs idiotēta, kai ti katergazetai, kai mechri tinos tēn ischyn hexei, kai tini men olethrion, tini de alexitērion ginetai; houtōs kai ho tois anō di᾿ epimeleias proseschēkōs, kai tēn hekastou tōn ontōn physin katanoēsas,, eisetai tēn ek tēs poias autōn symplokę̄s dynamin ti apotelesei; hautē de hē aporyrhoē, oude en oligǭ pros heautēn homoiōs echei. ᾿Alla dia to astatein aei tōn epiplechomenōn allēlōs astrōn tēn kinēsin, anankaiōs kakeinē tę̄ synecheią tēs kata tēn kinēsin heterotētos synalloioutai; aei symmetachirnamenē tę̄ poikilią tēs kinēseōs, kai tas energeias hautēs tę̄ chinēēsei tōn astrōn synexallassousa. HēSs tōn epi ton bion paragamenōn hekastos, kata tēn en tǭ akarei tou diastēmatos epitychousan autǭ moiran spasas,, ekeino ginetai, hoper hē idiotēs tou merous ekeinou proemēnyse te kai apetelesen. ᾿Anankē gar pasa kathaper en echmageiǭ sphragidos tǭ entethenti kērǭ to kata tēn glyphēn eidos peritypoutai- houtōs kai tou anthrōpon ton bion, hǭ an synenechthę̄ moriǭ tēs aporrheousēs dynameōs ek tēs tōn astrōn kinēseōs, kata tēn ekeinou tou merous idiotēta typousthai; kakeino ginesthai, hoper eichen en heautę̄ tēs aporrhoias hē moira, espasen euthys tou biou archomenos; hē hapax ensphragistheis kata tēn echei theōrētheisan dynamin, anankaiōs en tę̄ kata ton bion idiotēti symmorphoutai ᾿ tauta poiōn hē paschōn, hōn tas archas hē tas aitias hē prōtē heenteuxis tēs astrǭas ekeinēs aporrhoēs katedaleto. Egō de toutōn legomenōn, Ou pausę̄, pros auton eipon, phlēnaphous emoi logous kai lērous diexiōn, po ameres ekeino meros tēs en akarei metousias, tǭ anōthen hēmin, hōs phēs, epirrhein tōn pantōn aition tōn en hēmin chatascheunazōn, oute ei empsychon touto kai proairetikon esti legōn, oute hopōs chatachratei tōn empsychōn to apsychon te kai anypostaton, kai mēdemian ek physeōs idian echon hormēn deixai dynamegos, alla pasēs boulēs kai tēs ek tōn logismōn promētheias, paideuseōs te kai epimeleias, kai tōn kat᾽ aretēn epitēdeumatōn, kathaper tina tybannon hē despotēn, to apsychon te kai aproaireton, astaton te kai parodichon, kai ameres, kai anypostaton epistēsas tǭ logǭ? Tēs ekeinou dynameōs exapteis tēn tōn ontōn systasin te kai dioikēsin, kai ouk horąs eis hoias ho logos atopias ekpheretai ? Ei gar tosautēn eche: dynamin ekeinēs tēs aporrhoēs ē moira, hōs kat᾽ autēn tous para tēn prōtēn paroon gegonotas apotelein; pantōs hoti ouk epacholouthētikōs, alla proēgoumenōs tēs tōn ontōn systaseōs exēgēsetai. Oukoun ekeinē proaxei kata tēn idian dynamin ton tiktomenon, kai ouchi tę̄ tou entautha poion tinos archēgichōteron, amphoterōn en tǭ akarei kata to ison allēlois sympheromenōn, Ho te gar anthrōpos kai pro tēs exodou tōn splanchnōōn en kinēsei pōs esti, dia meiōseōs te kai au tap.. Ēïs dpipi regraoiy5 di, iP|O po Rgy t r yg : xēseōs en tę̄ physei kinoumenos (epei kai touto kinēseōs eidos esti) to te astron kai pro tou ton anthrōpon tou aeros spasai,, pheretai kai ouk histatai; hē te syntychia kata to ison tōn dia kinēseōs allēlois syntynchanontōn, aporon poiei tou proēgoumenou tēn krisin. Kai gar kakeina kineitai dia tōn kyklōn, kai touto dia tēs physeōs hodeuon pheretai.

differences of what is brought about in life, as though some outflow reached us from there without interruption. For this reason the predictions of the future made by those who study such things do not fail. For as the one who knows the medical art, [if he knows] the hot or numbing [drug], foretells the property that will arise from the mixing of things of different natures, and what it works, and how far its strength will reach, and for whom it becomes deadly and for whom an antidote, so too the one who has attended diligently to the heavenly things and understood the nature of each of them will know what the power from their particular interweaving will bring about. And this outflow is never like itself even for a short time; but because the movement of the stars that interweave with one another is always unstable, it too necessarily changes with the continuity of the otherness in the movement, always being mixed anew with the variety of the movement and changing its activities with the movement of the stars. Each of those who come into life, having drawn from this outflow the portion that met him in the instant of the interval, becomes that which the property of that part foretold and brought about. For of every necessity, as in the impression of a seal the form of the engraving is stamped on the wax put into it, so the life of man is stamped according to the property of that part of the power flowing from the movement of the stars which it happened to meet; and he becomes that which the portion of the outflow held in itself, which he drew in at once at the beginning of life. Once sealed by it, according to the power seen there, he is necessarily conformed in the character of his life, doing or suffering those things whose beginnings or causes the first encounter with that stellar outflow laid down."

When this was said, I said to him: "Will you not stop going through silly talk and nonsense to me, making that partless part of momentary participation, which flows upon us from above, as you say, the cause of all that is in us, neither saying whether it is living and capable of choice, nor able to show how what is lifeless and without subsistence, with no impulse of its own from nature, prevails over living beings, but setting over every will, every forethought of reasoning, education, diligence, and the practices of virtue, like a tyrant or master, what is lifeless and without choice, unstable and passing, partless and without subsistence? Do you make the constitution and government of beings depend on its power, and not see into what absurdities the argument is carried? For if that portion of the outflow has such power as to make those who come to be at its first passing according to itself, it will surely lead the constitution of beings not by following but by going before. So it will bring forth the one being born according to its own power, and not [be determined by] the [birth] here. [But one cannot say] which leads which, since both come together equally in the instant. For man, even before he comes out of the womb, is in a way in motion, moved in nature by diminution and increase (for this too is a kind of motion); and the star, before the man draws in the air, is carried along and does not stand still; and the meeting, being equal on the part of those that meet one another through motion, makes the judgment of what leads impossible. For those move through their circles, and this one is carried along journeying through nature.

Notes and citation

Summary: The philosopher explains that the stellar outflow changes every instant and stamps each newborn like a seal in wax; Gregory ridicules the idea that a lifeless, partless instant could rule living, choosing beings, and argues that neither the star nor the child can be said to lead, since both are already in motion.

  • Re-read against the Greek. A Latin leak in Gregory's reply is removed by a logged correction; some lost words near the end are supplied in brackets.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the word αὐτὸν): Οὐ παύσῃ, πρὸς αὐ αὶ θυᾷξ οἴη ἴΠ|6 ἀΐοοτοξ, Νοὴ τὸν εἶπον → Οὐ παύσῃ, πρὸς αὐτὸν εἶπον.

Topics: Magic, divination, and astrology, Free will

Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 3 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.

Chapter 4

4PG 45

Εἰ δὲ ἐν ἑνὶ μέρει τοῦ χρόνου ἀμφοτέροις ἣ πρὸς ἀλλήλους σύνοδος γίνεται, τίς ἡ πρὸς ἄλληλα τούτων διαφορὰ, ὥστε τοῦ ἑτέρου τὸ ἕτερον αἰτιώτερον οἴεσθαι; Εἰ γὰρ διὰ τὰ ἄστρα ὁ ἄνθρωπος, πάντοτε ἂν ἔῤῥει ἡ φύσις διὰ γεννήσεως, οὐδὲ ἐν ἀκαρεῖ τι διάλειμμα τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης παρόδου ἐπιδειχνύουσα. Εἰ δὲ πολλαὶ τῶν γινομένων αἱ μεταξὺ διαστάσεις, σαΒ φῶς ἀποδείκνυται τὸ, μὴ τῇ κινήσει τῶν ἄστρων τὴν ἀνθρωπίνην ἕπεσθαι γένεσιν. Ἧ μὲν γὰρ, ἀεὶ κινεῖται· ἡ δὲ, οὐκ ἀεὶ γεννᾶται· ἀλλ᾽ ἰδίῳ τοῦτο εἱρμῷ, κἀκεῖνο πάλιν ἰδιαζόντως ἐφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ φέρεται, οὐδεμιᾶς ἀνάγκης συναπτούσης πρὸς ἄλληλα τὰ διεστῶτα πῇ φύσει· εἰ δὲ τοῦτο ὁ ὑμέτερος γος, τὸ ἐπ᾽ ἐκείνῃ τῇ μοίρᾳ τοῦ χρόνου τὴν αἰτίαν τῶν κατὰ τὸν βίον ἁπάντων κεῖσθαι, σχάπησον ὅσας μυριάδας δεσποτῶν καὶ τυράννων, ἡμέρα πᾶσα καὶ νὺξ ὡσαύτως κατὰ τὰς λεπτὰς ἐκείνας καὶ ἀχαρεῖς τοῦ χρόνου τομὰς ἀπεργάζεται· εἰς τέσσαρας καὶ εἴκοσιν ὥρας νυκτὸς καὶ ἡμέρας, ὥς φατε, διῃρημένων· ἑκάστης δὲ ὥρας, ἑξήκοντα τμήμασι μεριζομένης - πάλιν δὲ τῶν τμημάτων τούτων ἑκάστου κατὰ τὸ ἰσάριθμον χερματιζομένου· ὡς δέ φασιν , ὑμῶν οἱ εἰς τὴν λεπτοτέραν τῶν τοιούτων παρατήρησιν τῷ λόγῳ διαδυόμενοι, ὅτι καὶ τούτων ἕκαστον πάλιν τῶν λεγομένων τμημάτων ἰσαρίθμῳ διαιρέσει πλῆθος τῶν ἀχαριαίων ἐκείνων θεῶν, ἣ δεσποτῶν, ἢ τυράννων, ἣ οὐκ οἶδ᾽ ὅπως χρὴ λέγειν, μιᾶς πλέον χκαὺ εἴκοσι μυριάδων ἐστίν. Εἰ δὲ μία ὥρα τοσαύτας μοιρῶν ἡμῖν μυριάδας ποιεῖ, αἱ τέσσαρες καὶ εἴχοπι κατὰ λόγον τῆς μιᾶς πάντως πολλαπλασιασθεῖσας, τὰς ἀπείρους τῶν μοιρῶν μυριάδας ἀπογεννῶσιν. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τούτων ἑκάστην ἀπαράδατον δύναμιν ἔχειν ὁ΄ ὑμέτερος δεισχυρίζεται λόγος. Οὐκοῦν ἀκόλουθον μηδεμίαν αὐτῶν ἄπρακτον εἶναι. Οὐ γὰρ ἂν τῆς δυνάμεως ἴδιον τὴν ἀπραξίαν εἴποις, ἀλλ᾽ ἐν τῇ ἐνεργείᾳ πάντως καθορᾶται ἡ δύναμις. Οὐκοῦν ἴσα καὶ τὰ τῆς δυνάμεώς ἐστιν ἀποτελέσματα· ὥστε ὅσα μήματα,, τοσαῦται καὶ τῶν ἀνθρώπων γενέσεις ἐξ ἀνάγκης καθ᾽ ἑκάστην ὥραν συστήσονται. Καὶ εἴπερ ἐκάστῃ μοίρᾳ τὸ δυνατὸν ὁμοίως προσμαρτυρεῖσθαι προσήκει, πάντας ἐπ᾽ ἴσης βασιλέας, μαχροδίους, δυνατοὺς, εὐχλήρους, εὐδαίμονας, καὶ ὅσα τῆς τιμιωτέρας λήξεως εἶνα: νομίζεται, τὸ τῆς δυνάμεως ὁμότιμον ἀπεργάζεται· ἡ γὰρ ἔλλειψις τούτων τινὸς, τοῦ γατὰ τὴν δύναμιν ἀτελοῦς κατηγορία γίνεται. Οὐ γὰρ ἄν τις ἴσην προσμαρτυρήσειε δύναμιν, τῷ τε μεγάλα καὶ μικρὰ ἐνεργήσαντι. Οἷον, ὁ μὲν ὑπερδέθηχεν ἑκατὸν ἔτη ἐν γήρᾳ λιπαρῷ καὶ εὐδαίμονι, παισὶν εὐθηνούμενος, ἐκγόνοις δορυφορούμενος, καὶ τῷ μετὰ τούτους ἐπαγαλλόμεγος γένε!, ἄνοσος, ἀπήμων, ἐπίτιμος, ἄλυπος, πλούτου δαψιλῶς ἔχων, καὶ εἴ τι ἄλλο τῶν κατὰ τὸν βίον τοῦτον ἐν τιμίοις νενόμισται, διὰ πάντων μακαριζόμενος. Ἕτερος, ὁμοῦ παραχθῆναι εἰς φῶς, χατεπνίγη· οἷα δὴ πολλὰ τῶν γινομένων ἐστὶν ἑταιρικὰ ἣ μοιχίδια βρέφη, ἅπερ τῶν μητέρων αἱ παρανόμως χυήσασαι, ταῖς ἑαυτῶν χερσὶ διαχειριζόμεναι, θανάτῳ τὸν ἔλεγχον κλέ· ποῦ ἡ δύναμις ἐπὶ τούτων τῆς μοίρας ; Πῶς εἰς τὸ αὐτὸ τῆς ζωῆς μέτρον ἡ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἰσχὺς οὖκ ἐξήρκεσεν ; Εἰ γὰρ τὸ δυνατὸν αὐτῇ προσμαρτυρεῖν ὁ ὑμέτερος λόγος οἴεται δεῖν, ἐπίσης πᾶσι τοῖς εὖσιν ἡ ἰσχὺς αὐτῆς φανήσεται. Οὐ γὰρ τὸ μὲν ἰσχύσει, τὸ δὲ οὐ δυνήσεται, εἴπερ ἀληθῶς ἐν δυνάμει καταλαμβάνεται· ἡ δὲ δύναμις, διὰ τῶν ἀποτελεσμάτων γνωρίζεται.

Ei de en heni merei tou chronou amphoterois hē pros allēlous synodos ginetai, tis hē pros allēla toutōn diaphora, hōste tou heterou to heteron aitiōteron oiesthai? Ei gar dia ta astra ho anthrōpos, pantote an errhei hē physis dia gennēseōs, oude en akarei ti dialeimma tēs anthrōpinēs parodou epideichnyousa. Ei de pollai tōn ginomenōn hai metaxy diastaseis, saB phōs apodeiknytai to, mē tę̄ kinēsei tōn astrōn tēn anthrōpinēn hepesthai genesin. Hē men gar, aei kineitai; hē de, ouk aei gennatai; all᾽ idiǭ touto heirmǭ, kakeino palin idiazontōs eph᾽ heautou pheretai, oudemias anankēs synaptousēs pros allēla ta diestōta pę̄ physei; ei de touto ho hymeteros gos, to ep᾽ ekeinę̄ tę̄ moirą tou chronou tēn aitian tōn kata ton bion hapantōn keisthai, schapēson hosas myriadas despotōn kai tyrannōn, hēmera pasa kai nyx hōsautōs kata tas leptas ekeinas kai achareis tou chronou tomas apergazetai; eis tessaras kai eikosin hōras nyktos kai hēmeras, hōs phate, dię̄rēmenōn; hekastēs de hōras, hexēkonta tmēmasi merizomenēs - palin de tōn tmēmatōn toutōn hekastou kata to isarithmon chermatizomenou; hōs de phasin , hymōn hoi eis tēn leptoteran tōn toioutōn paratērēsin tǭ logǭ diadyomenoi, hoti kai toutōn hekaston palin tōn legomenōn tmēmatōn isarithmǭ diairesei plēthos tōn achariaiōn ekeinōn theōn, hē despotōn, ē tyrannōn, hē ouk oid᾽ hopōs chrē legein, mias pleon chkau eikosi myriadōn estin. Ei de mia hōra tosautas moirōn hēmin myriadas poiei, hai tessares kai eichopi kata logon tēs mias pantōs pollaplasiastheisas, tas apeirous tōn moirōn myriadas apogennōsin. ᾿Alla mēn toutōn hekastēn aparadaton dynamin echein ho΄ hymeteros deischyrizetai logos. Oukoun akolouthon mēdemian autōn aprakton einai. Ou gar an tēs dynameōs idion tēn apraxian eipois, all᾽ en tę̄ energeią pantōs kathoratai hē dynamis. Oukoun isa kai ta tēs dynameōs estin apotelesmata; hōste hosa mēmata,, tosautai kai tōn anthrōpōn geneseis ex anankēs kath᾽ hekastēn hōran systēsontai. Kai eiper ekastę̄ moirą to dynaton homoiōs prosmartyreisthai prosēkei, pantas ep᾽ isēs basileas, machrodious, dynatous, euchlērous, eudaimonas, kai hosa tēs timiōteras lēxeōs eina: nomizetai, to tēs dynameōs homotimon apergazetai; hē gar elleipsis toutōn tinos, tou gata tēn dynamin atelous katēgoria ginetai. Ou gar an tis isēn prosmartyrēseie dynamin, tǭ te megala kai mikra energēsanti. Hoion, ho men hyperdethēchen hekaton etē en gērą liparǭ kai eudaimoni, paisin euthēnoumenos, ekgonois doryphoroumenos, kai tǭ meta toutous epagallomegos gene!, anosos, apēmōn, epitimos, alypos, ploutou dapsilōs echōn, kai ei ti allo tōn kata ton bion touton en timiois nenomistai, dia pantōn makarizomenos. Heteros, homou parachthēnai eis phōs, chatepnigē; hoia dē polla tōn ginomenōn estin hetairika hē moichidia brephē, haper tōn mēterōn hai paranomōs chyēsasai, tais heautōn chersi diacheirizomenai, thanatǭ ton elenchon kle; pou hē dynamis epi toutōn tēs moiras ? Pōs eis to auto tēs zōēs metron hē tēs heimarmenēs ischys ouk exērkesen ? Ei gar to dynaton autę̄ prosmartyrein ho hymeteros logos oietai dein, episēs pasi tois eusin hē ischys autēs phanēsetai. Ou gar to men ischysei, to de ou dynēsetai, eiper alēthōs en dynamei katalambanetai; hē de dynamis, dia tōn apotelesmatōn gnōrizetai.

But if the meeting of the two with each other happens in one part of time, what difference is there between them, so as to think the one more a cause than the other? For if man exists because of the stars, nature would always be flowing through birth, showing not even an instant's interval in the coming of human beings. But if there are many intervals between births, it is clearly shown that human birth does not follow the movement of the stars. For the one is always moving, while the other is not always being born; but this is carried along in its own sequence, and that again on its own by itself, no necessity joining to each other things separate by nature.

If this is your [argument], that the cause of all things in life lies in that portion of time, consider how many tens of thousands of masters and tyrants every day and night alike produce according to those fine and instantaneous sections of time. Night and day, as you say, are divided into twenty-four hours, each hour divided into sixty sections, and again each of these sections cut into the same number; and, as those of you who penetrate in argument to the finer observation of such things say, each of these sections again by a division of the same number [is divided]: so that the multitude of those momentary gods, or masters, or tyrants, or I do not know what to call them, is more than two hundred and ten thousand. If one hour makes us so many tens of thousands of portions, the twenty-four, multiplied in proportion to the one, beget the boundless tens of thousands of portions. Yet your argument maintains that each of these has an inviolable power. So it follows that none of them is inactive. For you would not call inactivity proper to power; power is surely seen in activity. So the effects of the power are equal too, so that as many [sections] as there are, so many births of men will of necessity come about every hour. And if possibility must be testified equally to each portion, the equality of power makes all equally kings, long-lived, powerful, fortunate, happy, and whatever else is thought to belong to the more honourable lot; for the lack of any of these becomes an accusation of imperfection in the power. For no one would testify to equal power in one who worked great things and in one who worked small.

For example, one man passed a hundred years in a sleek and happy old age, flourishing with children, escorted by grandchildren, exulting in the generation after them, without disease, without harm, honoured, without grief, with wealth in plenty, and called blessed in all that is held honourable in this life. Another was choked as soon as he was brought into the light; such are many of the babes born to harlots or in adultery, whom their mothers, having conceived unlawfully, make away with by their own hands, hiding the proof by death. Where is the power of the portion in these? How did the strength of fate not suffice for the same measure of life? For if your argument thinks one must testify power to it, its strength will appear equally in all beings. For it will not prevail in one and be powerless in another, if it is truly grasped as power; and power is known through its effects.

Notes and citation

Summary: If births followed the ever-moving stars, births would never cease; Gregory reduces to absurdity the astrologers' fine divisions of the hour, each a supposed all-powerful portion, and contrasts the man who lives a happy century with the infant strangled at birth.

  • Re-read against the Greek. The figure of "more than two hundred and ten thousand" portions follows the scan (μιᾶς πλέον καὶ εἴκοσι μυριάδων); Gregory's arithmetic (24 hours × 60 × 60 × 60 would give a different number) is reported as written. The mention of infants killed by mothers who conceived in harlotry or adultery is Gregory's example; translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the word παρατήρησιν): παρατήρηΠαρ εἰπε δι ρρ γίνε}. σιν → παρατήρησιν.

Topics: Magic, divination, and astrology

Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 4 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.

Chapter 5

5PG 45

Οὐκοῦν οὐδεμίαν ἀνωμαλίαν ὁ βίος ἕξει, πάντων ὁμοίως τὸ ἀκρότατον τῆς εὐδαιμονίας μέτρον ἐν ἑαυτοῖς δεικνύντων, διὰ τὸ πάντας μὲν κατὰ τὸν λόγον ὑμῶν, ὑπὸ τὴν εἱμαρμένην κεῖσθαι, πάντα δὲ ταύτην ἀεὶ δύνασθα: λέγειν ὑμᾶς. Εἰ οὖν καὶ πάντα καὶ ἀεὶ δύναται ἡ εἱμαρμένη αὕτη, πάντα ἐπὶ πάντων δυνήσεται. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν πολλαὶ καὶ ποικίλαι τοῖς ἀνθρώποις τοῦ βίου διαφοραὶ, κατά τε τὰς ἀξίας καὶ τὰς περιουσίας, καὶ τὰ τῶν χρόνων μέτρα, καὶ τὰς τῶν σωμάτων κράσεις, καὶ πάντα ὅσα δι᾿ ὧν ἣ μακαριστός τις ἣ ἄθλιος ὀνομάζεται. ΓΑρα τὸ μὴ πάντα δύνασθαι τὴν ἀναπλασθεῖσαν ἐκείνην τῷ λόγῳ μοῖραν ἣ εἱμαρμένην, ἡ τῶν ἀποτελεσμάτων ἀν!:σότης σαφῶς ἐπιδείκνυσιν. Εἰ γὰρ μαχρόδιον δυνάμεως ἔργον νομίζομεν, ἀσθενείας πάντως ἐστὶ τὸ ὠκύμορον. Οὐκοῦν, τὴν μὲν ἀσθενεῖν τῶν εἱμαρμένων τὴν δὲ δύνασθαι δογματίξειν προσἤκει, Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ ἐναντίον τῷ πολυχρονίῳ τὸ ὁλιγόδιον, διὰ τῶν ἐναντίων ὑφίσταται πάντως τούτων ξχάτερον. Οὐ γὰρ ἄν τις τῆς αὐτῆς αἰτίας ἐξάψειε μακαρισμόν τε καὶ ἀθλιότητα, ἀλλ᾽ εἴπερ τοῦττοχατορθωθείη διὰ τοῦ δύνασθαι, τὸ ἕτερον οὐ συνέστη πάντως παρὰ τὴν τῆς δυνάμεως ἔλλειψιν. Οὐδενὶ γὰρ θῆναι γενέσθαι μακάριον. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν πλείους παρὰ τὸν βίον οἱ ἄθλιοι. Οὐκοῦν, πλείων ἡ ἀσθένεια τῆς εἱμαρμένης παρὰ τὴν δύναμιν ἐπιδείκνυται. Ποῦ οὖν ἡ ἄμαχος ἐκείνη καὶ παντοδύναμος καὶ ἀπαράδατος ἀνάγκη, ὥστε ἐπ᾽ ἐκείνῃ τίθεσθαι πάντων τῶν κατὰ τὸν βίον οἰκονομουμένων τὴν ἐξουσίαν, ἧτις ἀπηλέγχθη διὰ τῆς ἀκολουθίας τοῦ λόγου ἀσθενὴς ἐν τοῖς πϑείοσιν; ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐρεῖς, ὅτι τούτῳ μὲν τοῦτο βούλεται τῷ δὲ ἑτέρῳ τὸ ἴσον οὐ βούλεται· δύναται καὶ ἐπ᾽ ἀμφοῖν ὅπερ βούλεται· πάντως οὖν καὶ τὴν αἰτίαν προσθήσεις τῆς τῶν προαιρέσεων τούτων διαφορᾶς. ΓΑνθρωπος οὗτος καὶ οὗτος, οὐδεμίαν κατὰ τὴν φύσιν παραλλαγὴν ἐπ᾽ ἀμφοτέρων βλέπεις, οὔτε τούτῳ τὸ καλὸν, ἣ φαῦλον ἔκ προαιρέσεως, οὔτε τῷ ἄλλῳ, ἀλλ᾽ οὗτος μικρόν τι τοῦ χρόνου προλαθὼν, τῆς μητρῴας νηδύος ἐξέθορεν, οὕτω κατὰ τὸ συμδὰν αὐτὲν ἀποσχευασαμένης τῆς φύσεως· ἐκεῖνος δὲ μετὰ τοῦτον, ἣ εὐθὺς ἣ μετ᾽ ὀλίγον. Καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο οὐκ ὁ αὐτὸς ἀμφοτέροις βίος ἀπαχληροῦται, ἀλλ᾽ ὁ μὲν, εὐδαίμων, ἣ βασιλεὺς, ἂν οὕτω τύχῃ, χρυσῷ καὶ πορφυρίδι παρὰ τὴν πρώτην γένεσιν ἐνειλούμενος· δὲ, τινὸς τῶν πενιχρῶν ἦ δούλων, οὐδὲ ῥαχίοις παρὰ τῶν γεννησαμένων αὐτὸν σπαργανούμενος. Τʼ οὖν κρὺν, οὐ κατ᾽ οἰκείαν πρόθεσιν, ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὴν τῆς φύσεως κίνησιν, ὡς αὐτοῦ τούτου ἕνεκεν ἀποχληρωὄτνα: τοῦ βίου τὴν ἀτιμίαν; ποίαν τῆς δεσποίνης ὑμῶν ἐκείνης ἐπὶ τοῖς αοὐτοῖς ἀπολογίαν εὑρήσετε : Ποῦ τὸ δίκαιον ; Ποῦ τὸ εὐσεδές ; Ποῦ τὸ ὅσιον: Ἢ τούτων οὐδενὸς μέλειν φὴς τῇ εἱμαρμένῃ, οὐδὲ πρὸς ἀρετὴν βλέπειν, οὐδέ τινος τῶν ἀγαθῶν ἐπιμέλειαν ἔχειν; Οὐκοῦν εἰ μὴ ταῦτα διὰ σπουδῆς ἐστιν αὐτῇ, περὶ τὸ ἐναντίον πάντως ἀσχοληθήσεται· ἡ γὰρ τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ ἀλλοτρίωσις, τὴν πρὸς τὸ κακὸν οἰχειόζηταᾳ σαφῶς ἐπιδείκνυσιν. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὔτε τοῦτο τυχὸν, οὐδὲ ἐκεῖνο διὰ φροντίδος εἶναι λέγεις αὐτῇ ; Οὐκοῦν ἄἅψυ χον αὐτὸ φὴς εἶναι καὶ ἀπροαίρετον, καὶ καλοῦ καὶ χείρονος ἀνεπαίσθητον· εἰ δὲ μήτε ψυχὴν μήτε προαίρεσιν ἔχει, μῆτε κατ᾽ ἰδίαν θεωρεῖται ὑπόστασιν· πῶς τοσαύτην μαρτυρεῖται παρ᾽ ὑμῖν ἔχειν τὴν δύναμιν, ὥστε τῶν προαιρετικῶν ζώων ἐπιστατεῖν, καὶ κρατεῖν τῶν ὑφεστώτων τὸ ἀνυπόστατον, τῶν μετεχόντων ζωῆς τὸ ἀμέτοχον, τῶν ἐμψύχων τὸ ἄψυχον, τῶν ἐν προαιρέσει συζώντων τὸ ἀπροαίρετον, τῶν ἀρετὴν μετιόντων τὸ ἀρετῆς ἀπαράδεκτον καθόλου τῶν ὄντων τὸ μὴ ὄν; Ἔν τίνι γὰρ καταλα θάνεται τοῦ θρυλλουμένου τούτου ὀνόματος ἡ ὑπόστασις; Ζῶον οὐκ ἔστιν, ἐν περιγραφῇ οὐκ ὁρᾶται, Θεὸς οὐ νομίζεται. Πῶς γὰρ Θεὸς, ὁ μὴ πρὸς ἀρετὴν καὶ τὸ δίκαιον βλέπων ; Ὃ δὲ μηδέν ἐστι τούτων, τἱ ἔστιν; ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἔοικε παρ᾽ ὑμῶν τὸ ἀεὶ ἐνεστὼς τοῦ χρόνου, εἱμαρμένη λέγεσθαι· πάσῃ γὰρ κινήσει εἴτε ποταμῶν, εἴτε ἀστέρων, εἴτε ἀνθρώπων, ὁ χρόνος συμπαρεχτείνεται. Διαφέρει δὲ οὐδὲν, ἣ ὕδατι προαχαθήμενον τῇ κχινήσει τοῦ ῥεύματος σθαι τὰ ἀχαρῇ διὰ τοῦ ἀεὶ ἐνεστῶτος χρόνου τμή( μᾶτα, ἣ νεὼς δι᾽ ἀνέμου χομιζομένης, ἣ ἀνθρώπων ὁδοιπορούντων, ἣ κινουμένων ἄστρων. Εἷς γὰρ ἐπὶ πάντων τῶν μεταδατιχῶς κινουμένων ὄρος κινήσεως, ἣ ἀπὸ τοῦ ἐν ᾧ ἐστιν, ἢ ἐπὶ τὸ ἐν ᾧ οὐκ ἔστι, μετάστασις. Εἰ δὲ οὔτε ἡ τῶν ῥείθρων φορὰ, οὔτε ἡ τῶν.

Oukoun oudemian anōmalian ho bios hexei, pantōn homoiōs to akrotaton tēs eudaimonias metron en heautois deiknyntōn, dia to pantas men kata ton logon hymōn, hypo tēn heimarmenēn keisthai, panta de tautēn aei dynastha: legein hymas. Ei oun kai panta kai aei dynatai hē heimarmenē hautē, panta epi pantōn dynēsetai. ᾿Alla mēn pollai kai poikilai tois anthrōpois tou biou diaphorai, kata te tas axias kai tas periousias, kai ta tōn chronōn metra, kai tas tōn sōmatōn kraseis, kai panta hosa di᾿ hōn hē makaristos tis hē athlios onomazetai. GAra to mē panta dynasthai tēn anaplastheisan ekeinēn tǭ logǭ moiran hē heimarmenēn, hē tōn apotelesmatōn an!:sotēs saphōs epideiknysin. Ei gar machrodion dynameōs ergon nomizomen, astheneias pantōs esti to ōkymoron. Oukoun, tēn men asthenein tōn heimarmenōn tēn de dynasthai dogmatixein prosēkei, Epeidē gar enantion tǭ polychroniǭ to holigodion, dia tōn enantiōn hyphistatai pantōs toutōn xchateron. Ou gar an tis tēs autēs aitias exapseie makarismon te kai athliotēta, all᾽ eiper touttochatorthōtheiē dia tou dynasthai, to heteron ou synestē pantōs para tēn tēs dynameōs elleipsin. Oudeni gar thēnai genesthai makarion. ᾿Alla mēn pleious para ton bion hoi athlioi. Oukoun, pleiōn hē astheneia tēs heimarmenēs para tēn dynamin epideiknytai. Pou oun hē amachos ekeinē kai pantodynamos kai aparadatos anankē, hōste ep᾽ ekeinę̄ tithesthai pantōn tōn kata ton bion oikonomoumenōn tēn exousian, hētis apēlenchthē dia tēs akolouthias tou logou asthenēs en tois pϑeiosin? ᾿All᾽ ereis, hoti toutǭ men touto bouletai tǭ de heterǭ to ison ou bouletai; dynatai kai ep᾽ amphoin hoper bouletai; pantōs oun kai tēn aitian prosthēseis tēs tōn proaireseōn toutōn diaphoras. GAnthrōpos houtos kai houtos, oudemian kata tēn physin parallagēn ep᾽ amphoterōn blepeis, oute toutǭ to kalon, hē phaulon ek proaireseōs, oute tǭ allǭ, all᾽ houtos mikron ti tou chronou prolathōn, tēs mētrǭas nēdyos exethoren, houtō kata to symdan auten aposcheuasamenēs tēs physeōs; ekeinos de meta touton, hē euthys hē met᾽ oligon. Kai meta touto ouk ho autos amphoterois bios apachlēroutai, all᾽ ho men, eudaimōn, hē basileus, an houtō tychę̄, chrysǭ kai porphyridi para tēn prōtēn genesin eneiloumenos; de, tinos tōn penichrōn ē doulōn, oude rhachiois para tōn gennēsamenōn auton sparganoumenos. Tʼ oun kryn, ou kat᾽ oikeian prothesin, alla kata tēn tēs physeōs kinēsin, hōs autou toutou heneken apochlērōotna: tou biou tēn atimian? poian tēs despoinēs hymōn ekeinēs epi tois aoutois apologian heurēsete : Pou to dikaion ? Pou to eusedes ? Pou to hosion: Ē toutōn oudenos melein phēs tę̄ heimarmenę̄, oude pros aretēn blepein, oude tinos tōn agathōn epimeleian echein? Oukoun ei mē tauta dia spoudēs estin autę̄, peri to enantion pantōs ascholēthēsetai; hē gar tou agathou allotriōsis, tēn pros to kakon oicheiozētaą saphōs epideiknysin. ᾿All᾽ oute touto tychon, oude ekeino dia phrontidos einai legeis autę̄ ? Oukoun haapsy chon auto phēs einai kai aproaireton, kai kalou kai cheironos anepaisthēton; ei de mēte psychēn mēte proairesin echei, mēte kat᾽ idian theōreitai hypostasin; pōs tosautēn martyreitai par᾽ hymin echein tēn dynamin, hōste tōn proairetikōn zōōn epistatein, kai kratein tōn hyphestōtōn to anypostaton, tōn metechontōn zōēs to ametochon, tōn empsychōn to apsychon, tōn en proairesei syzōntōn to aproaireton, tōn aretēn metiontōn to aretēs aparadekton katholou tōn ontōn to mē on? En tini gar katala thanetai tou thrylloumenou toutou onomatos hē hypostasis? Zōon ouk estin, en perigraphę̄ ouk horatai, Theos ou nomizetai. Pōs gar Theos, ho mē pros aretēn kai to dikaion blepōn ? Ho de mēden esti toutōn, ti estin? ᾿All᾽ eoike par᾽ hymōn to aei enestōs tou chronou, heimarmenē legesthai; pasę̄ gar kinēsei eite potamōn, eite asterōn, eite anthrōpōn, ho chronos symparechteinetai. Diapherei de ouden, hē hydati proachathēmenon tę̄ kchinēsei tou rheumatos sthai ta acharę̄ dia tou aei enestōtos chronou tmē( mata, hē neōs di᾽ anemou chomizomenēs, hē anthrōpōn hodoiporountōn, hē kinoumenōn astrōn. Heis gar epi pantōn tōn metadatichōs kinoumenōn oros kinēseōs, hē apo tou en hǭ estin, ē epi to en hǭ ouk esti, metastasis. Ei de oute hē tōn rheithrōn phora, oute hē tōn.

So life will have no inequality, all alike showing in themselves the highest measure of happiness, because by your argument all lie under fate, and you say that it is always able to do all things. If, then, this fate can do all things and always, it will be able to do all things in all. Yet the differences of life among men are many and varied, in ranks and possessions, in measures of time, in the constitutions of bodies, and in everything by which someone is called blessed or wretched. So the inequality of the effects clearly shows that that portion or fate fashioned by your argument cannot do all things. For if we think long life a work of power, a short life is surely a work of weakness. So one must teach that one of the fates is weak and another powerful. For since a short life is the opposite of a long one, each of these surely subsists through opposites. For no one would connect blessedness and wretchedness with the same cause; but if the one were achieved through power, the other would not have come about [except] surely through the lack of power. For [no one wishes not] to become blessed. Yet the wretched in life are more numerous. So the weakness of fate is shown to be greater than its power. Where, then, is that irresistible, all-powerful, and inviolable necessity, so that the authority over all that is arranged in life is placed in it, when it has been convicted by the sequence of the argument of being weak in more cases?

But you will say that it wills this for this man, and does not will the same for the other, though it can do what it wills in both. Then you will surely add the cause of this difference of its choices. This one and that one are men; you see no variation of nature in the two; neither has this one [done] good or evil by choice, nor the other; but this one, a little ahead in time, leapt from his mother's womb, nature having so delivered him as it happened; and that one after him, either at once or a little later. And after this not the same life is allotted to both: the one is happy, or a king, it may be, wrapped in gold and purple at his very birth; the other [is the son] of one of the poor or of slaves, not even swaddled in rags by those who begot him. What, then, is [the cause] that, not by his own purpose but by the movement of nature, the dishonour of life is allotted to him as though for this very reason? What defence of your [mistress] will you find for these things? Where is justice? Where is piety? Where is holiness? Or do you say that fate cares for none of these, nor looks to virtue, nor takes care of any of the goods? Then, if these are not its concern, it will surely busy itself with the opposite; for estrangement from the good clearly shows kinship with evil. But do you say that perhaps neither this nor that is its care? Then you say it is lifeless and without choice, insensible of better and worse. And if it has neither soul nor choice, and is not seen in a subsistence of its own, how is it testified by you to have such power as to preside over living creatures that have choice, and that what has no subsistence rules over things that subsist, what has no share in life over those who share in life, what is lifeless over the living, what is without choice over those who live by choice, what cannot receive virtue over those who pursue virtue, in short, what is not over the things that are? In what is the subsistence of this much-babbled name grasped? It is not a living being; it is not seen in an outline; it is not thought to be God. For how could that be God which does not look to virtue and justice? And what is none of these, what is it?

But it seems that by you the ever-present instant of time is called fate. For time is extended along with every motion, whether of rivers, or of stars, or of men. And it makes no difference whether the instantaneous sections of time [are counted] through the ever-present time by one who sits by water [watching] the motion of the stream, or by a ship carried by the wind, or by men journeying, or by stars moving. For the definition of motion in all things that move by passing from place to place is one: change from where it is to where it is not. If, then, neither the course of streams, nor the motion of

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Summary: The inequality of human lots shows fate to be weak more often than strong; if it chooses happiness for one and misery for another born moments later, it is unjust; if it cares for neither, it is lifeless and without subsistence and cannot rule the living; at most it is the passing instant of time, which accompanies every motion alike.

  • Re-read against the Greek. "Your mistress" (δέσποινα) is Gregory's ironic name for fate. Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections; lost words are supplied in brackets.

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  • Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the line; Latin column leaked into the line; OCR slips): συνέστη Ὁ Ροϊεπεῖς πο ει. Μίβογία αι! ρρὸ ἴῃ γεὶ πηᾶχὶ πιὸ πάντως → συνέστη πάντως; οὔτε τούτῳ Ὁ ρᾷυ]ο ροϑῖ. Νοη δαάδην τὸ καλὸν → οὔτε τούτῳ τὸ καλὸν; ποίαν τῆς δετποίνης ᾿ηϑηϊπιιαν οσῦο, ποι νομί ὑμῶν ἐχείγης → ποίαν τῆς δεσποίνης ὑμῶν ἐκείνης.

Topics: Providence

Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 5 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.

Chapter 6

6PG 45

πλοίων κίνησις, οὔτε ἡ τῶν ἀνθρώπων παρεία μειουμένη τοῦ χρόνου τὰ διαστήματα εἱμαρμένας ποιεῖ, πῶς τὰ χρονικὰ σημεῖα τῆς τῶν ἀστέρων κινήσεως εἰς εἱμαρμένης γένεσιν πλάσσετε, καί φατε τήνδε τὴν ὥραν, ἣ τῆς ὥρας τὸ πολλοστημόριον ὅπερ τῷδε τῷ σημείῳ τῆς τῶν ἄστρων κινήσεως ἐσημειώθη, εἱμαρμένην γίνεσθαι ; Τί οὖν οὐχὶ πάντως παντὶ σημείῳ καὶ αἱ γενέσεις τῶν ἀνθρώπων συμφέρονται ; Πάλιν γὰρ τὸν αὐτὸν ἐπαναλήψομαι λόγον. Παρ᾽ ὧν γὰρ ἡ αἰτία τοῦ εὖ ἣ κακῶς εἶναι τὸν ἄνθρωπον, παρὰ τῶν αὐτῶν γχαὶ ἡ τοῦ εἶναι πάντως αἱτία ἐστίν· εἰ οὖν τὸ μετὰ τὴν γένεσιν παρ᾽ ἐχείγων, πάντως παρὰ τῶν αὐτῶν καὶ ἡ γένεσις· τοῦτο οὐκ ἐν ἐκείνοις, πάντως οὐδὲ τὸ μετὰ τοῦτο. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τὸ μὴ ἐν ἐκείνοις εἶναι τὴν γένεσιν, ἐκ τούτου δῆλόν ἐστιν· ἐκ τοῦ μὴ ἀδιαλείπτως, ποταμοῦ δίκην, τῷ συνεχεῖ τῆς παροδιχῆς τοῦ χρόνου ῥοῆς, καὶ τὰς ἀνθρωπίνας συῤῥέειν τῶν τικτομένων γενέσεις, ἀλλ᾽ ἐν διαλείμμασι μὲν εἶναι τοὺς τόκους· τῆς δὲ τῶν μοιρῶν ἐκείνων γενέσεως, ἃς ὁ χρόνος ῥέων τῷ ἀεικινήτῳ τῆς τῶν ἄστρων φορᾶς ἐξεργάζξεται· οὐδ᾽ ὁτιοῦν ἔστι διάλειμμα οὔτε κατ᾽ αἴσθησιν, οὔτε τῇ διανοίᾳ λαθεῖν. Τίς οὖν ἐκείνη εἱμαρμένη, εἴτ᾽ οὖν μία γενικωτέρα, εἴτ᾽ οὖν πολλαὶ αἱ ἐπὶ τοῖς ποῦ χρόνου τμήμασι συλλεπτυγόμεναι, οὕπω χαταλαδεῖν δι᾽ ἀκολούθου τινὸς ὁ λόγος δεδύνηται. Κινεῖσθαι τὰ ἄστρα φατέ; Καὶ γὰρ καὶ ἡμεῖς τὴν τῶν ποταμῶν ἀντιπροφέρομεν κχίνησιν. ᾿Αλλὰ διὰ παντὸς ἐκεῖνα. Καὶ ταῦτα ὡσαύτως δι’ ὅλου. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐκεῖνα ἐν χρόνῳ; Οὐδὲ ταῦτα ἕξω τοῦ χρόνου. ᾿Αλλὰ χρονικὴν οὐκ ἔστιν ἐπ᾽ ἐκείνων ἀρχὴν ἐξευρεῖν τῆς κινήσεως ; Ποίαν δὲ τούτοις ἐπινοήσεις τὴν ἀπὸ χρόνων ἀρχήν; ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐκεῖνα κατὰ τὰ αὐτὰ καὶ ὡσαύτος ἀεὶ κινεῖται; Οὐδὲ τούτοις ἄν τις τὴν ἐναντίαν προσμαρτυρήσειε κίνησιν, φυσικῶς ἀεὶ τοῦ ὕδατος ἀπὸ τοῦ ὑπερχειμένου πρὸς τὸ πρανὲς χαταῤῥέοντος. Ὥστε ἣ καὶ τὴν κίνησιν τῶν ποταμῶν εΐμαρμένας τινὰς ἀπογεννᾷν συγχωρήσατε, ἣ οὐδὲ ἡμεῖς τῇ τῶν ἄστρων χινήσεε τῆς δυνάμεως ταύτης παραχωρήσομεν. ᾿Αλλὰ τῆσδε, φησὶ, τῆς δυνάμεως, ὁ Κριὸς ἣ ὁ Ταῦρος, καὶ τῆσδε τῶν πλανητῶν ἕχαστος.·Ὅταν οὖν ἐν ἑνὶ τούτων γέγηται, ἢ κατὰ μόνας ἣ μεθ᾽ ἑτέρων περιοδιχῶς τις τῶν πλανητῶν ὑπὸ τοῦ κύκλου περιαγόμενος, ἡ τῆς δυνάμεως σύνοδός τό)δε τὸν βίον τῷ συνενεχθέντι ὥρᾳ ταύτῃ κατὰ τὴν γένεσιν ἀπειργάσατο. Ὦ τῆς ματαιολογίας δούλειον ἂν οὕτως τύχῃ τὸν Ταῦρον λέγετε, διὰ τὸ ὑπὸ ζυγῷ τὸ ζῶον τοῦτο δαμάζεσθαι· καὶ εὐεργετικὸν τὸν Κριὸν, διὰ τὴν τῶν ἐρίφων φοράν· ἕν ἑνὶ δὲ τούτων γενόμενον, ἣ τόνδε τῶν κατὰ τὸ᾽ ἐναντίον ἀνειλουμένων, κατὰ τὴν φυσικῶς ἐνυπάρχουάαν αὐτῷ δύναμιν διὰ τῆς τῶν ἰδιωμάτων ἐπιμιξίας, τοιάνδε τῶν τικτομένων μοῖραν χατασχενάζειν. Τί οὖν; εἰπέ μοι, ἑχὼν ὁ ταῦρός ἐστιν ὑποζύγιος ; καὶ καταθύμιον τῷ κριῷ τὸ κείρεσθαι λέγεις ; Τότε βλαπτικὸν᾽ καὶ ναρχῶδες τῷ τὸν ἀνωτάτω περιοδεύοντι πόλον, ἥ τὸ θερμὸν τῷ πυρόεντι, ἣ ἄλλῳ τινὶ ς τῶν θεωρουμένων, ἡ ἐνυπάρχουσα δύναμις ἐκουσίως, ἢ κατὰ τὸ ἀκούσιον πρόσεστιν ; Ἐξ μὲν ὅτι ἐχόντες ἐν κακοῖς εἰσι, καὶ βλαπτιχοὶ ἐκ προαιρέσεως γίνονται, δυστυχίαν ἄντικρυς αὐτῶν ὁ ταῦτα λέγων καταψηφίζετάι, τῷ κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν αὐτοῖς προκειμένης τῆς κρείττονος λήξεως, ἐν ἡδονῇ τὸ ἀτιμότερον τίθεσθαι· εἰ δὲ οὐκ ἐκ προαιρέσεως τούτων ἕκαστόν ἐστιν ὅπερ νομίζετε, ἀλλ᾽ ἔκ τινος ἀνάγκης ἐγένετο, ἄρα τις καὶ τούτοις ὑπερκειμένη πάλιν αὐτῶν εἱμαρμένη ἑτέρα, τὰς τῶν φύσεών τε καὶ δυνάμεων ἑπέχλωσεν ἰδιότη κας. Ὥστε ζητεῖν ἐπάναγκες ἄλλα ἄστρα τούτων ὑπέρτερα, καὶ κίνησιν ἐφ᾽ ἑαυτῶν ἰδιάζουσαν, ὧν ἡ ποιὰ συμπλοκὴ κατά τινα εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκην, ἣ δούλειον εἶναι τὸν ταῦρον, ἣ ἐπιζήμιον τὸν κριὸν ἀπειργάσατο, ἣ τὸν χαρχῖνον ἀχέφαλον, ἣ εἴ τι ἄλλο περὶ ἐκάστου τούτων οἱ λῆροι τῶν σοφῶν διέρχονται, Καὶ εἰ ταῦτα τὰ φαινόμενα ἡμῖν κατ᾽ ἀνάγκην τινὸς εἱμαρμένης ἐστὶ τοιαῦτα, πάντως καὶ τῆς ὕπερχει μένης ἐκείνης ἀνάγκης ἑτέραν αἰτίαν ἀναγκαστικὴν τῆς τοιαύτης καταστάσεως προσεπινοῆσει ὁ λόγος, κἀκείνης ἄλλην, καὶ πάλιν ἄλλην τῆς ἄλλης, καὶ οὕτως εἰς ἄπειρον προϊὼν ὁ λόγος, οὐδαμοῦ στήσεται εἱμαρμένην εἱμαρμένης, καὶ μοῖραν μοίρας, καὶ ἀνάγκης ἀνάγκην προσαναπλάσσων.

ploiōn kinēsis, oute hē tōn anthrōpōn pareia meioumenē tou chronou ta diastēmata heimarmenas poiei, pōs ta chronika sēmeia tēs tōn asterōn kinēseōs eis heimarmenēs genesin plassete, kai phate tēnde tēn hōran, hē tēs hōras to pollostēmorion hoper tǭde tǭ sēmeiǭ tēs tōn astrōn kinēseōs esēmeiōthē, heimarmenēn ginesthai ? Ti oun ouchi pantōs panti sēmeiǭ kai hai geneseis tōn anthrōpōn sympherontai ? Palin gar ton auton epanalēpsomai logon. Par᾽ hōn gar hē aitia tou eu hē kakōs einai ton anthrōpon, para tōn autōn nchai hē tou einai pantōs haitia estin; ei oun to meta tēn genesin par᾽ echeigōn, pantōs para tōn autōn kai hē genesis; touto ouk en ekeinois, pantōs oude to meta touto. ᾿Alla mēn to mē en ekeinois einai tēn genesin, ek toutou dēlon estin; ek tou mē adialeiptōs, potamou dikēn, tǭ synechei tēs parodichēs tou chronou rhoēs, kai tas anthrōpinas syrrheein tōn tiktomenōn geneseis, all᾽ en dialeimmasi men einai tous tokous; tēs de tōn moirōn ekeinōn geneseōs, has ho chronos rheōn tǭ aeikinētǭ tēs tōn astrōn phoras exergazxetai; oud᾽ hotioun esti dialeimma oute kat᾽ aisthēsin, oute tę̄ dianoią lathein. Tis oun ekeinē heimarmenē, eit᾽ oun mia genikōtera, eit᾽ oun pollai hai epi tois pou chronou tmēmasi sylleptygomenai, houpō chataladein di᾽ akolouthou tinos ho logos dedynētai. Kineisthai ta astra phate? Kai gar kai hēmeis tēn tōn potamōn antipropheromen kchinēsin. ᾿Alla dia pantos ekeina. Kai tauta hōsautōs di’ holou. ᾿All᾽ ekeina en chronǭ? Oude tauta hexō tou chronou. ᾿Alla chronikēn ouk estin ep᾽ ekeinōn archēn exeurein tēs kinēseōs ? Poian de toutois epinoēseis tēn apo chronōn archēn? ᾿All᾽ ekeina kata ta auta kai hōsautos aei kineitai? Oude toutois an tis tēn enantian prosmartyrēseie kinēsin, physikōs aei tou hydatos apo tou hypercheimenou pros to pranes chatarrheontos. Hōste hē kai tēn kinēsin tōn potamōn eïmarmenas tinas apogennąn synchōrēsate, hē oude hēmeis tę̄ tōn astrōn chinēsee tēs dynameōs tautēs parachōrēsomen. ᾿Alla tēsde, phēsi, tēs dynameōs, ho Krios hē ho Tauros, kai tēsde tōn planētōn hechastos.;Hotan oun en heni toutōn gegētai, ē kata monas hē meth᾽ heterōn periodichōs tis tōn planētōn hypo tou kyklou periagomenos, hē tēs dynameōs synodos to)de ton bion tǭ synenechthenti hōrą tautę̄ kata tēn genesin apeirgasato. Ō tēs mataiologias douleion an houtōs tychę̄ ton Tauron legete, dia to hypo zygǭ to zōon touto damazesthai; kai euergetikon ton Krion, dia tēn tōn eriphōn phoran; hen heni de toutōn genomenon, hē tonde tōn kata to᾽ enantion aneiloumenōn, kata tēn physikōs enyparchouaan autǭ dynamin dia tēs tōn idiōmatōn epimixias, toiande tōn tiktomenōn moiran chataschenazein. Ti oun? eipe moi, hechōn ho tauros estin hypozygios ? kai katathymion tǭ kriǭ to keiresthai legeis ? Tote blaptikon᾽ kai narchōdes tǭ ton anōtatō periodeuonti polon, hē to thermon tǭ pyroenti, hē allǭ tini s tōn theōroumenōn, hē enyparchousa dynamis ekousiōs, ē kata to akousion prosestin ? Ex men hoti echontes en kakois eisi, kai blaptichoi ek proaireseōs ginontai, dystychian antikrys autōn ho tauta legōn katapsēphizetai, tǭ kat᾽ exousian autois prokeimenēs tēs kreittonos lēxeōs, en hēdonę̄ to atimoteron tithesthai; ei de ouk ek proaireseōs toutōn hekaston estin hoper nomizete, all᾽ ek tinos anankēs egeneto, ara tis kai toutois hyperkeimenē palin autōn heimarmenē hetera, tas tōn physeōn te kai dynameōn hepechlōsen idiotē kas. Hōste zētein epanankes alla astra toutōn hypertera, kai kinēsin eph᾽ heautōn idiazousan, hōn hē poia symplokē kata tina heimarmenēs anankēn, hē douleion einai ton tauron, hē epizēmion ton krion apeirgasato, hē ton charchinon achephalon, hē ei ti allo peri ekastou toutōn hoi lēroi tōn sophōn dierchontai, Kai ei tauta ta phainomena hēmin kat᾽ anankēn tinos heimarmenēs esti toiauta, pantōs kai tēs hyperchei menēs ekeinēs anankēs heteran aitian anankastikēn tēs toiautēs katastaseōs prosepinoēsei ho logos, kakeinēs allēn, kai palin allēn tēs allēs, kai houtōs eis apeiron proïōn ho logos, oudamou stēsetai heimarmenēn heimarmenēs, kai moiran moiras, kai anankēs anankēn prosanaplassōn.

ships, nor the journeying of men, measuring out the intervals of time, makes fates, how do you fashion the time-points of the movement of the stars into the coming-to-be of fate, and say that this hour, or the smallest part of the hour that was marked at this point of the movement of the stars, becomes fate? Why, then, do births of men not happen at every point? For I shall take up the same argument again. Those from whom comes the cause of a man's being well or ill are surely the same from whom comes the cause of his being. If, then, what follows birth is from them, birth too is surely from the same; [if] this is not in them, neither is what follows it. And that birth is not in them is plain from this: that the births of human beings do not flow on without interruption, like a river, in the continuity of the passing stream of time, but births come at intervals; while of the coming-to-be of those portions which flowing time works through the ever-moving course of the stars there is no interval whatever, either to sense or to thought. What, then, that fate is, whether one more general or the many that are gathered up in the sections of time, the argument has not yet been able to grasp by any consistent sequence.

Do you say that the stars move [in a circle]? We too bring forward in reply the motion of the rivers. But those move continually? These too likewise throughout. But those in time? Nor are these outside time. But no beginning in time can be found for the motion of those? What beginning from time will you devise for these? But those always move in the same way and likewise? Nor would anyone testify the opposite motion to these, the water always flowing by nature from the higher to the slope. So either grant that the motion of rivers too begets certain fates, or we shall not concede this power to the motion of the stars either.

"But," he says, "the Ram or the Bull is of this power, and each of the planets of that. So when one of the planets, carried round periodically by the circle, comes to be in one of these, either alone or with others, the meeting of the power brings about this life for the one who met that hour at birth." O vain talk! You call the Bull, say, servile, because this animal is tamed under the yoke; and the Ram beneficent, because of the bearing of lambs; and you say that one [planet] coming into one of these, or into this one of those rolled up opposite, prepares such a portion for those being born, according to the power naturally present in it, through the mixing of the properties. What then? Tell me, is the bull a beast of burden willingly? And do you say the ram likes being shorn? Is the harmful and numbing [property] in the one that goes round the highest sphere, or the heat in the fiery one, or the power present in any other of those observed, present willingly or unwillingly? If they are in evils willingly and become harmful by choice, the one who says this condemns them outright to misfortune, in that, though the better lot lies before them in their power, they place the more dishonourable in pleasure. But if each of these is not by choice what you think, but has come to be from some necessity, then some other fate again lying above them has spun the properties of their natures and powers. So one must of necessity seek other stars higher than these, and a motion peculiar to themselves, whose particular interweaving, by some necessity of fate, has made the bull servile or the ram harmful, or the crab headless, or whatever else the nonsense of the wise relates about each of these. And if these things that appear to us are such by the necessity of some fate, the argument will surely devise another compelling cause of such a state for that higher necessity too, and another for that, and again another for the other; and so the argument, going on to infinity, will nowhere stop, fashioning fate on fate, portion on portion, and necessity on necessity.

Notes and citation

Summary: If the motion of rivers, ships, or travellers makes no fates, neither does that of the stars; Gregory mocks the astrologers' signs (the servile Bull, the beneficent Ram) and argues that if the stars' properties are themselves fated, an infinite regress of fates follows.

  • Re-read against the Greek. The planet "that goes round the highest sphere" is Saturn (cold, numbing), "the fiery one" Mars; Gregory does not name them. "The crab headless" refers to the constellation's figure. Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the line): Κινεῖσθαι αὶ οὐα οἰγοππηεταίην, υἱέν Πὰς φὺΐ ἃ ἄστρα φατέ → Κινεῖσθαι τὰ ἄστρα φατέ.

Topics: Magic, divination, and astrology, Providence

Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 6 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.