Miscellanies 6.2.5

Summary: Clement begins a long list of borrowings among Greek poets: Homer from Orpheus and Musaeus, Archilochus and Cratinus from Homer.

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Greek text · Stählin 2:424–425

καὶ τὰ μὲν κατὰ φιλοσοφίαν σιωπήσομαι δόγματα, αὐτῶν ὁμολογούντων ἐγγράφως τῶν τὰς αἱρέσεις διανεμομένων, ὡς μὴ ἀχάριστοι ἐλεγχθεῖεν, παρὰ Σωκράτους εἰληφέναι τὰ κυριώτατα τῶν δογμάτων. ὀλίγοις δὲ τῶν καθωμιλημένων καὶ παρὰ τοῖς Ἕλλησιν εὐδοκίμων ἀνδρῶν χρησάμενος μαρτυρίοις, τὸ κλεπτικὸν διελέγξας εἶδος αὐτῶν, ἀδιαφόρως τοῖς χρόνοις καταχρώμενος, ἐπὶ τὰ ἑξῆς τρέψομαι. Ὀρφέως τοίνυν ποιήσαντος· ὣς οὐ κύντερον ἦν καὶ ῥίγιον ἄλλο γυναικός, Ὅμηρος ἄντικρυς λέγει· ὣς οὐκ αἰνότερον καὶ κύντερον ἄλλο γυναικός. Γράψαντός τε Μουσαίου· ὡς αἰεὶ τέχνη μέγʼ ἀμείνων ἰσχύος ἐστίν, Ὅμηρος λέγει· μήτι τοι δρυτόμος περιγίνεται ἠὲ βίηφι. Πάλιν τοῦ Μουσαίου ποιήσαντος· ὡς δʼ αὔτως καὶ φύλλα φύει ζείδωρος ἄρουρα· ἄλλα μὲν ἐν μελίῃσιν ἀποφθίνει, ἄλλα δὲ φύει· ὣς δὲ καὶ ἀνθρώπων γενεὴν καὶ φῦλον ἑλίσσει, Ὅμηρος μεταγράφει· φύλλα τὰ μέν τʼ ἄνεμος χαμάδις χέει, ἄλλα δέ θʼ ὕλη τηλεθόωσα φύει, ἔαρος δʼ ἐπιγίνεται ὥρη· ὣς ἀνδρῶν γενεὴ ἣ μὲν φύει, ἣ δʼ ἀπολήγει. Πάλιν δʼ αὖ Ὁμήρου εἰπόντος· οὐχ ὁσίη κταμένοισιν ἐπʼ ἀνδράσιν εὐχετάασθαι, Ἀρχίλοχός τε καὶ Κρατῖνος γράφουσιν, ὃ μέν· οὐ γὰρ ἐσθλὰ κατθανοῦσι κερτομεῖν ἐπʼ ἀνδράσιν, Κρατῖνος δὲ ἐν τοῖς Λάκωσι· φοβερὸν ἀνθρώποις τόδʼ αὖ, κταμένοις ἐπʼ αἰζηοῖσιν καυχᾶσθαι μέγα.

English · Claude translation

I shall pass over in silence the doctrines of philosophy, since those who divide themselves into the schools acknowledge in writing, so as not to be convicted of ingratitude, that they received the most important of their doctrines from Socrates. Using the testimonies of a few men who are much talked about and of good repute among the Greeks, and exposing their thieving kind, without regard to the order of their dates, I shall turn to what follows. Well then, when Orpheus composed: “So there was nothing more shameless or more chilling than a woman,” Homer says outright: “So there is nothing more dreadful or more shameless than a woman.” And when Musaeus wrote: “For skill is always much better than strength,” Homer says: “By skill the woodcutter prevails rather than by force.” Again, when Musaeus composed: “And so too the grain-giving field grows leaves: some wither on the ash trees, and others it grows; so too it whirls round the generation and race of men,” Homer rewrites it: “Of the leaves, the wind pours some on the ground, but the flourishing forest grows others, and the season of spring comes on: so of the generation of men, one grows, another ceases.” Again, when Homer said: “It is not holy to boast over slain men,” Archilochus and Cratinus write, the one: “For it is not noble to jeer at men who have died,” and Cratinus in the Laconians: “This again is fearful for men, to boast greatly over slain warriors.”

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Stählin 2:424–425 · Otto Stählin, ed., Clemens Alexandrinus, vol. 2, Stromata Buch I–VI, GCS 15 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1906); vol. 3, Stromata Buch VII und VIII, GCS 17 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1909) · Greek text: Otto Stählin, Clemens Alexandrinus 2–3 (GCS 15, 17, 1906–1909), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library, CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Stählin, GCS 15, 17. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Stählin (1906–1909); made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made) · Book 3 is left partly untranslated (in Latin) there.
Extrabiblical texts
  • Homer, Od. 11.427; 22.412 (Homer, Odyssey) · quotation, high confidence
  • Homer, Il. 23.315; 6.146–149 (Homer, Iliad) · quotation, high confidence
  • Orpheus (attributed), Orph. frag. (Orpheus (attributed), Orphic poems (fragments)) · quotation, medium confidence

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Translation notes

  • The Homeric lines are Od. 11.427, Il. 23.315, Il. 6.146–149, and Od. 22.412. The lines ascribed to Orpheus and Musaeus are otherwise unknown; the Archilochus and Cratinus (Laconians) lines are fragments. “Shameless” renders κύντερον (literally “more dog-like”).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 6.2.5 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/6/2/5/).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 6.2.5 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/6/2/5/).

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