Miscellanies 1.29.180

Summary: The Egyptian priest in Plato calls the Greeks children without ancient learning; the “old” wisdom is that of the barbarians, the Hebrews, while Greek myths and reasonings are childish.

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Greek text · Stählin 2:110

Ὅθεν παγκάλως ὁ παρὰ τῷ Πλάτωνι Αἰγύπτιος ἱερεύς· ὦ Σόλων, Σόλων, εἶπεν, Ἕλληνες ὑμεῖς αἰεὶ παῖδές ἐστε, οὐδʼ ἡντινοῦν ἐν ταῖς ψυχαῖς ἔχοντες διʼ ἀρχαίαν ἀκοὴν παλαιὰν δόξαν, γέρων δὲ Ἑλλήνων οὐκ ἔστιν οὐδείς· γέροντας, οἶμαι, εἰπὼν τοὺς τὰ πρεσβύτερα, τουτέστι τὰ ἡμέτερα, εἰδότας, ὡς ἔμπαλιν νέους τοὺς τὰ νεώτερα καὶ ὑπὸ Ἑλλήνων ἐπιτετηδευμένα, τὰ χθὲς καὶ πρῴην γενόμενα, ὡς παλαιὰ καὶ ἀρχαῖα ἱστοροῦντας. ἐπήγαγεν οὖν μάθημα χρόνῳ πολιόν, κατὰ βαρβαρικόν τινα τρόπον ἀπλάστῳ καὶ οὐκ εὐκρινεῖ χρωμένων ἡμῶν τῇ μεταφορᾷ. ἀτεχνῶς γοῦν οἱ εὐγνώμονες ὅλῳ τῷ πλάσματι τῷ τῆς ἑρμηνείας προσίασιν· ἐπὶ δὲ τῶν Ἑλλήνων φησὶ τὴν οἴησιν αὐτῶν παίδων βραχύ τι διαφέρειν μύθων· οὐ γὰρ μύθων παιδικῶν ἐξακουστέον οὐδὲ μὴν τῶν τοῖς παισὶ γενομένων μύθων· παῖδας δὲ εἴρηκεν αὐτούς γε τοὺς μύθους, ὡς ἂν μικρὸν διορώντων τῶν παρʼ Ἕλλησιν οἰησισόφων, αἰνιττόμενος τὸ μάθημα τὸ πολιόν, τὴν παρὰ βαρβάροις προγενεστάτην ἀλήθειαν, ᾧ ῥήματι ἀντέθηκε τὸ παῖς μῦθος, τὸ μυθικὸν τῆς τῶν νεωτέρων ἐπιβολῆς διελέγχων ὡς δίκην παίδων μηδὲν πρεσβύτερον ἐχούσης, ἄμφω κοινῶς τοὺς μύθους αὐτῶν καὶ τοὺς λόγους παιδικοὺς εἶναι παριστάς.

English · Claude translation

Hence very finely did the Egyptian priest in Plato say: “O Solon, Solon, you Greeks are always children, having in your souls no ancient opinion from ancient tradition; and there is no old man among the Greeks.” By “old men” he meant, I think, those who know the more ancient things, that is, ours; and conversely by “young” those who relate as old and ancient the newer things practiced by the Greeks, things of yesterday and the day before. He added, then, “learning gray with time,” we using the metaphor in a barbarian way, unaffected and not precise. Indeed the right-minded approach the whole fiction of the interpretation simply. Of the Greeks he says that their conceit differs little from children's myths; for we must not understand children's myths, nor myths made for children; but he called the myths themselves children, as the Greeks who think themselves wise see little, hinting at the “learning gray with time,” the most ancient truth among the barbarians; to which word he opposed the “child myth,” exposing the mythical character of the attempts of the moderns as, like children, having nothing older, and showing that both their myths and their reasonings are alike childish.

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Stählin 2:110 · Otto Stählin, ed., Clemens Alexandrinus, vol. 2, Stromata Buch I–VI, GCS 15 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1906); vol. 3, Stromata Buch VII und VIII, GCS 17 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1909) · Greek text: Otto Stählin, Clemens Alexandrinus 2–3 (GCS 15, 17, 1906–1909), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library, CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Stählin, GCS 15, 17. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Stählin (1906–1909); made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made) · Book 3 is left partly untranslated (in Latin) there.
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Timaeus 22b–c (Plato (works)) · quotation, high confidence
Topics
Scripture and canon

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  • The quotation is Plato, Timaeus 22b–c (compare Strom. 1.15.69).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 1.29.180 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/1/29/180/).

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 1.29.180 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/1/29/180/).

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