On Order 2.24–2.44

Latin text: Knöll, CSEL 63 (Latin text: Pius Knöll, ed., Sancti Aureli Augustini opera, sect. I, pars 3, CSEL 63 (Vienna: Tempsky; Leipzig: Freytag, 1922), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).

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Chapter 2

2.24CSEL 63:163–164

Hic ego, cum omnes cernerem studiosissime ac pro suis quemque uiribus deum quaerere sed ipsum, de quo agebamus, ordinem non tenere, quo ad illius ineffabilis maiestatis intellegentiam peruenitur: Oro uos, inquam, si, ut uideo, multum diligitis ordinem, ne nos praeposteros et inordinatos esse patiamini. quamquam enim occultissima ratio se demonstraturam polliceatur nihil praeter diuinum ordinem fieri, tamen si quempiam ludi magistrum audiremus conantem docere puerum syllabas, quem prius litteras nemo docuisset, non dico ridendum tamquam stultum, sed uinciendum tamquam furiosum putaremus non ob aliud, opinor, nisi quod docendi ordinem non teneret. at multa talia et inperitos, quae a doctis reprehendantur ac derideantur, et dementes homines, quae nec stultorum iudicium fugiunt, facere nemo ambigit, et tamen etiam ista omnia, quae fatemur esse peruersa, non esse praeter diuinum ordinem alta quaedam et a multitudinis uel suspicione remotissima disciplina se ita studiosis et deum atque animas tantum amantibus animis manifestaturam esse promittit, ut non nobis summae numerorum possint esse certiores.

Here, when I saw that all were seeking God most zealously and each according to his strength, but were not keeping that very order which we were discussing, by which one arrives at the understanding of that ineffable majesty, I said: "I beg you, if, as I see, you love order very much, do not let us be preposterous and disordered. For although a most hidden reason promises to show that nothing happens outside the divine order, still, if we heard some schoolmaster trying to teach syllables to a boy whom no one had first taught letters, we would think him, I do not say to be laughed at as a fool, but to be bound as a madman, for no other reason, I think, than that he did not keep the order of teaching. But no one doubts that both ignorant men do many such things, which are criticized and laughed at by the learned, and madmen do things which do not escape even the judgment of fools; and yet a certain lofty discipline, very far removed even from the suspicion of the multitude, promises to show to minds that are studious and love only God and souls that even all these things, which we admit are perverse, are not outside the divine order, so clearly that sums of numbers could not be more certain to us."

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Summary: Augustine urges the friends to follow the proper order of learning, as a teacher must teach letters before syllables, and says a lofty discipline can show that even perverse things are within divine order.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.24 (CSEL 63:163–164; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.25CSEL 63:164–165

Haec autem disciplina ipsa dei lex est, quae apud eum fixa et inconcussa semper manens in sapientes animas quasi transcribitur, ut tanto se sciant uiuere melius tantoque sublimius, quanto et perfectius eam contemplantur intellegendo et uiuendo custodiunt diligentius. haec igitur disciplina eis, qui illam nosse desiderant, simul geminum ordinem sequi iubet, cuius una pars uitae, altera eruditionis est. adulescentibus ergo studiosis eius ita uiuendum est, ut a ueneriis rebus, ab inlecebris uentris et gutturis, ab inmodesto corporis cultu et ornatu, ab inanibus negotiis ludorum ac torpore somni atque pigritiae, ab aemulatione obtrectatione inuidentia, ab honorum potestatumque ambitionibus, ab ipsius etiam laudis immodica cupiditate se abstineant, amorem autem pecuniae totius suae spei certissimum uenenum esse credant. nihil eneruiter faciant, nihil audacter. in peccatis autem suorum uel pellant omnino iram uel ita frenent, ut sit pulsae similis. neminem oderint, nulla uitia non curare uelint. magnopere obseruent, cum uindicant, ne nimium sit, cum ignoscunt, ne parum. nihil puniant, quod non ualeat ad melius, nihil indulgeant, quod uertat in peius. suos putent omnes, in quos sibi potestas data fuerit. ita seruiant, ut eis dominari pudeat, ita dominentur, ut eis seruire delectet. in alienorum autem peccatis molesti non sint inuito. inimicitias uitent cautissime, ferant aequissime, finiant citissime. in omni uero contractu atque conuersatione cum hominibus satis est seruare unum hoc uulgare prouerbium: nemini faciant, quod pati nolunt. rem publicam nolint administrare nisi perfecti, perfici autem uel intra aetatem senatoriam festinent uel certe intra iuuentatem. sed quisquis sero ad ista se conuerterit, non arbitretur nihil sibi esse praeceptum; nam ista utique facilius decocta aetate seruabit. in omni autem uita loco tempore amicos aut habeant aut habere instent. obsequantur dignis etiam non hoc expectantibus, superbos minus curent, minime sint. apte congruenterque uiuant, deum colant cogitent quaerant fide spe caritate subnixi. optent tranquillitatem atque certum cursum studii sui omniumque sociorum et sibi quibusque possunt mentem bonam pacatamque uitam.

"This discipline is the very law of God, which, always remaining fixed and unshaken with him, is as it were transcribed into wise souls, so that they know they live the better and the more sublimely, the more perfectly they contemplate it by understanding and the more diligently they keep it by living. This discipline, then, commands those who desire to know it to follow a twofold order at once, one part of which concerns life, the other learning. So young men devoted to it must live in such a way that they abstain from sexual pleasures, from the enticements of belly and throat, from immodest care and adornment of the body, from the empty business of games and the torpor of sleep and sloth, from rivalry, detraction, and envy, from ambition for honors and powers, and even from immoderate desire for praise itself; and let them believe that love of money is the surest poison of all their hope. Let them do nothing feebly, nothing rashly. In the sins of their own people let them either drive out anger entirely or so restrain it that it is like anger driven out. Let them hate no one, and want to cure every vice. Let them take great care, when they punish, that it is not too much, and when they pardon, that it is not too little. Let them punish nothing that does not serve for the better, indulge nothing that turns to the worse. Let them consider all over whom power has been given them as their own. Let them serve in such a way that it shames others to rule them, and rule in such a way that it delights others to serve them. In the sins of others let them not be troublesome to one who does not want it. Let them avoid enmities most carefully, bear them most calmly, end them most quickly. In every contract and dealing with men it is enough to keep this one common proverb: let them do to no one what they do not want to suffer. Let them not want to administer the state unless they are perfect; and let them hasten to be perfected within the senatorial age, or certainly within youth. But whoever turns to these things late should not think that nothing has been prescribed for him; for he will certainly keep these things more easily at a mellowed age. In every life, place, and time let them either have friends or strive to have them. Let them defer to the worthy even when they do not expect it, care less for the proud, and be least of all proud themselves. Let them live fittingly and harmoniously; let them worship God, think of him, and seek him, supported by faith, hope, and love. Let them wish for tranquility and a sure course of study for themselves and all their companions, and for themselves and whomever they can, a good mind and a peaceful life."

Matt 7:12 (echo, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 13:13 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine sets out the moral rule of life for young students of wisdom: abstinence from pleasures and ambition, moderation in anger and punishment, the golden rule, friendship, and the worship of God in faith, hope, and love.

  • The "common proverb" is the negative form of the golden rule (cf. Tob 4:15; Matt 7:12). Faith, hope, and love: 1 Cor 13:13.

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.25 (CSEL 63:164–165; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.26CSEL 63:165–166

Sequitur, ut dicam, quomodo studiosi erudiri debeant, qui sicut dictum est uiuere instituerunt. ad discendum item necessario dupliciter ducimur, auctoritate atque ratione. tempore auctoritas, re autem ratio prior est. aliud est enim, quod in agendo anteponitur, aliud, quod pluris in appetendo aestimatur. itaque quamquam bonorum auctoritas imperitae multitudini uideatur esse salubrior, ratio uero aptior eruditis, tamen, quia nullus hominum nisi ex imperito peritus fit, nullus autem imperitus nouit, qualem se debeat praebere docentibus et quali uita esse docilis possit, euenit, ut omnibus bona magna et occulta discere cupientibus non aperiat nisi. auctoritas ianuam. quam quisque ingressus sine ulla dubitatione uitae optimae praecepta sectatur, per quae, cum docilis factus fuerit, tum demum discet et quanta ratione praedita sint ea ipsa, quae secutus est ante rationem, et quid sit ipsa ratio, quam post auctoritatis cunabula firmus et idoneus iam sequitur atque conprehendit, et quid intellectus, in quo uniuersa sunt — uel ipse potius uniuersa — et quid praeter uniuersa uniuersorum principium. ad quam cognitionem in hac uita peruenire pauci, ultra quam uero etiam post hanc uitam nemo progredi potest. qui autem sola auctoritate contenti bonis tantum moribus rectisque uotis constanter operam dederint aut contemnentes aut non ualentes disciplinis liberalibus atque optimis erudiri, beatos eos quidem, cum inter homines uiuant, nescio quo modo appellem, tamen inconcusse credo, mox ut hoc corpus reliquerint, eos, quo bene magis minusue uixerunt, eo facilius aut difficilius liberari.

"It follows that I should say how the studious, who have resolved to live as has been said, ought to be educated. We are necessarily led to learning in a twofold way, by authority and by reason. In time authority is first, in reality reason. For what is put first in acting is one thing, what is valued more in desiring is another. So although the authority of good men seems more wholesome for the unskilled multitude, and reason more suited to the educated, still, because no man becomes skilled except from unskilled, and no unskilled man knows how he should present himself to his teachers and by what life he can become teachable, it comes about that for all who desire to learn great and hidden goods, only authority opens the door. Whoever has entered it follows without any hesitation the precepts of the best life, through which, when he has become teachable, he will then at last learn both how much reason those very things possess which he followed before reason, and what reason itself is, which, now firm and fit after the cradle of authority, he follows and grasps; and what intellect is, in which all things are, or rather which is itself all things; and what, beyond all things, is the principle of all things. To this knowledge few arrive in this life, and beyond it no one can advance even after this life. But those who, content with authority alone, apply themselves steadily only to good morals and right desires, either despising or unable to be educated in the liberal and best disciplines, I do not know how I could call them happy while they live among men; yet I believe without wavering that as soon as they have left this body, they will be freed the more easily or with the more difficulty according as they have lived more or less well."

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Summary: Augustine explains that authority comes first in time and reason first in reality: authority opens the door to learning, and reason then leads the few to know the intellect and the first principle of all things, while those who live well by authority alone will be freed after death.

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  • Digital text corrected (Words joined and dashes run together in the digital text.): sunt-uelipse potius uniuersa-et → sunt — uel ipse potius uniuersa — et.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.26 (CSEL 63:165–166; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.27CSEL 63:166

Auctoritas autem partim diuina est, partim humana, sed uera firma summa ea est, quae diuina nominatur. in qua metuenda est aeriorum animalium mira fallacia, quae per rerum ad istos sensus corporis pertinentium quasdam diuinationes nonnullasque sententias decipere animas facillime consuerunt aut periturarum fortunarum curiosas aut fragilium cupidas potestatum aut inanium formidulosas miraculorum. illa ergo auctoritas diuina dicenda est, quae non solum in sensibilibus signis transcendit omnem humanam facultatem sed et ipsum hominem agens ostendit ei, quo usque se propter ipsum depresserit, et non teneri sensibus, quibus uidentur illa miranda, sed ad intellectum iubet euolare simul demonstrans, et quanta hic possit et cur haec faciat et quam parui pendat. doceat enim oportet et factis potestatem suam et humilitate clementiam et praeceptione naturam, quae omnia sacris, quibus initiamur, secretius firmiusque traduntur, in quibus bonorum uita facillime non disputationum ambagibus sed mysteriorum auctoritate purgatur. humana uero auctoritas plerumque fallit, in eis tamen iure uidetur excellere, qui, quantum imperitorum sensus capit, multa dant indicia doctrinarum suarum et non uiuunt aliter, quam uiuendum esse praecipiunt. quibus si aliqua etiam fortunae munera accesserint, quorum appareant usu magni contemtuque maiores. difficillimum omnino est, ut eis quisque uiuendi praecepta dantibus credens recte uituperetur.

"Authority is partly divine, partly human; but the true, firm, and highest is that which is called divine. In it one must fear the wonderful deceitfulness of the aerial animals, which by certain divinations about things pertaining to these senses of the body, and by some pronouncements, are accustomed most easily to deceive souls that are curious about perishing fortunes, or desirous of fragile powers, or fearful of empty wonders. That authority, then, is to be called divine which not only surpasses all human ability in sensible signs, but, acting as man himself, shows him how far it has lowered itself for his sake, and commands him not to be held by the senses, to which those things seem wonderful, but to fly up to the intellect, showing at the same time both how much it can do here, and why it does these things, and how little it values them. For it ought to teach its power by deeds, its mercy by humility, and its nature by precept; all of which are handed down more secretly and more firmly by the sacred rites into which we are initiated, in which the life of the good is most easily purified, not by the windings of disputations but by the authority of the mysteries. Human authority, however, generally deceives; yet it seems rightly to excel in those who, as far as the senses of the unskilled can grasp, give many proofs of their teaching and do not live otherwise than they teach one should live. If some gifts of fortune are added to them, by whose use they appear great and by whose contempt greater, it is altogether very difficult for anyone to be rightly blamed for believing them when they give precepts for living."

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Summary: Augustine distinguishes divine authority, which surpasses human power in signs and in Christ shows its power, mercy, and nature, from the deceptions of demons and from fallible human authority.

  • The divine authority "acting as man himself" refers to Christ; the "aerial animals" are demons.

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  • Digital text corrected (Words joined in the digital text.): contemtuquemaiores.difficillimum → contemtuque maiores. difficillimum.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.27 (CSEL 63:166; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.28CSEL 63:166–167

Hic Alypius: Permagna, inquit, uitae imago abs te ante oculos nostros cum plene tum breuiter constituta est, cui quamuis cotidianis praeceptis tuis inhiemus, tamen nos hodie cupidiores flagrantioresque reddidisti. ad quam, si fieri posset, non solum nos uerum etiam cunctos homines iam peruenire et eidem inhaerere cuperem, si, ut haec auditu mirabilia, ita essent imitatione facilia. nam nescio quo modo — quod utinam uel a nobis procul absit! — animus humanus dum haec audiendo caelestia diuina ac prorsus uera esse proclamet, in adpetendo aliter se gerit, ut mihi uerissimum uideatur aut diuinos homines aut non sine diuina ope sic uiuere. — Cui ego: Haec praecepta uiuendi, quae tibi, ut semper, plurimum placent, Alypi, quamuis hic meis uerbis pro tempore expressa sint, non tamen a me inuenta esse optime scis. his enim magnorum hominum et paene diuinorum libri plenissimi sunt, quod non propter te mihi dicendum putaui sed propter istos adulescentes, ne in eis quasi auctoritatem meam iure contemnant. nam mihi omnino illos nolo credere nisi docenti rationemque reddenti, propter quos pro rerum magnitudine concitandos etiam te arbitror istum interposuisse sermonem. non enim tibi sunt ad sequendum ista difficilia, quae tanta rapuisti auiditate tantoque in ea naturae admirabilis impetu ingressus es, ut ego tibi uerborum, tu mihi rerum magister effectus sis. non enim est modo ulla causa mentiendi aut saltem occasio; nam neque te falsa tua laude studiosiorem fieri puto et hi adsunt, qui utrumque nouerunt, et ei sermo iste mittetur, cui nostrum nullus ignotus est.

Here Alypius said: "A very great image of life has been set before our eyes by you, both fully and briefly; and although we long for it through your daily precepts, you have made us more eager and ardent today. I would wish, if it were possible, that not only we but all men should now reach it and cling to it, if these things were as easy to imitate as they are wonderful to hear. For somehow (may it be far from us at least!) the human mind, while on hearing these things it proclaims them heavenly, divine, and altogether true, behaves otherwise in desiring, so that it seems to me most true that either divine men live thus or men do so not without divine help." I said to him: "These precepts for living, which please you very much as always, Alypius, although expressed here in my words for the occasion, you know very well were not invented by me. For the books of great and almost divine men are full of them. I thought I should say this not for your sake but for these young men, so that they may not rightly despise them as if they had only my authority. For I do not want them to believe me at all except when I teach and give reasons; and I think it was in order to stir them up, for the greatness of the matter, that you put in that remark. For these things are not difficult for you to follow, since you seized them with such eagerness and entered on them with such an impulse of admirable nature that I have become your teacher in words, and you mine in things. For there is now no cause for lying, nor even an occasion; for I do not think you become more studious by false praise, and these are present who know both of us, and this discourse will be sent to one to whom none of us is unknown."

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Summary: Alypius admires the rule of life but doubts it can be lived without divine help, and Augustine answers that it comes from the books of great men and that Alypius already lives it.

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  • Digital text corrected (Stray digit in the digital text.): inhaerere 3 cuperem → inhaerere cuperem.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.28 (CSEL 63:166–167; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.29CSEL 63:167–168

Bonos autem uiros deditosque optimis moribus, si non aliter sentis atque dixisti, pauciores te arbitror esse credere, quam mihi probabile est; sed multi penitus latent, item multorum non latentium ea ipsa, quae mira sunt, latent; in animo enim sunt ista, qui neque sensu accipi potest et plerumque, dum congruere uult uitiosorum hominum conloquiis, ea dicit, quae aut probare aut adpetere uideatur. multa etiam facit non libenter propter aut uitandum odium hominum aut ineptiam fugiendam, quod nos audientes aut uidentes difficile aliter existimamus, quam sensus iste renuntiat, eoque fit, ut multos non tales esse credamus, quales et se ipsi et eos sui familiares nouerunt, quod tibi ex amicorum nostrorum quibusdam magnis animi bonis, quae nos soli scimus, persuadeas uelim. nam error iste non minima et hac causa nititur, quod non pauci se subito ad bonam uitam miramque conuertunt et, donec aliquibus clarioribus factis innotescant, quales erant, esse creduntur. nam ne longius abeam, quis istos adulescentes, qui antea nouerat, facile credat tam studiose magna quaerere, tantas repente in hac aetate indixisse inimicitias uoluptatibus? ergo hanc opinionem pellamus ex animo; nam et illud diuinum auxilium, quod, ut decebat, religiose in ultimo sermonis tui posuisti, latius, quam nonnulli opinantur, officium clementiae suae per uniuersos populos agit. sed ad disputationis nostrae, si placet, ordinem redeamus et, quoniam de auctoritate satis dictum est, uideamus, quid sibi ratio uelit.

"But I think you believe there are fewer good men devoted to the best morals than is probable to me, if you do not think otherwise than you said. Many lie completely hidden; and in many who are not hidden, those very things that are wonderful are hidden; for they are in the mind, which cannot be perceived by sense, and which often, when it wants to fit in with the conversations of vicious men, says things it seems either to approve or to desire. It also does many things unwillingly, either to avoid men's hatred or to escape seeming awkward; and when we hear or see this, we can hardly judge otherwise than this sense reports, and so it comes about that we believe many are not such as they themselves and their intimates know them to be. I would like you to persuade yourself of this from certain great goods of mind in some of our friends, which only we know. For this error also rests on no small cause: that not a few suddenly turn to a good and wonderful life, and until they become known by some more conspicuous deeds, they are believed to be what they were. For, not to go further, who that had known these young men before would easily believe that they seek great things so zealously, that at this age they have suddenly declared such great enmity to pleasures? So let us drive this opinion from our mind; for that divine help too, which you fittingly and religiously placed at the end of your speech, carries out the office of its mercy more widely among all peoples than some think. But let us return, if you please, to the order of our discussion, and, since enough has been said about authority, let us see what reason means."

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Summary: Augustine argues that there are more good men than Alypius thinks, since virtue is hidden in the mind and conversions are often unnoticed, and that divine help reaches all peoples widely.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.29 (CSEL 63:167–168; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.30CSEL 63:168–169

Ratio est mentis motio ea, quae discuntur, distinguendi et conectendi potens, qua duce uti ad deum intellegendum uel ipsam quae aut in nobis aut usque quaque est animam rarissimum omnino genus hominum potest non ob aliud, nisi quia in istorum sensuum negotia progresso redire in semet ipsum cuique difficile est. itaque cum in rebus ipsis fallacibus ratione totum agere homines moliantur, quid sit ipsa ratio et qualis sit, nisi perpauci prorsus ignorant. mirum uidetur, sed tamen se ita res habet. satis est hoc dixisse in praesentia; nam si uobis rem tantam, sicut intellegenda est, nunc ostendere cupiam, tam ineptus sim quam adrogans, si uel me illam iam percepisse profitear. tamen quantum dignata est in res, quae nobis notae uidentur, procedere, indagemus eam, si possumus, interim, prout susceptus sermo desiderat.

"Reason is that movement of the mind which is capable of distinguishing and connecting the things that are learned. To use it as a guide to understanding God, or even the soul, whether in us or everywhere, is possible for a very rare kind of men, for no other reason than that it is hard for anyone who has gone out into the business of these senses to return into himself. So, although in these deceptive things men try to do everything by reason, almost everyone is wholly ignorant of what reason itself is and of what sort it is. It seems strange, but so it is. It is enough to have said this for the present; for if I wanted now to show you so great a thing as it should be understood, I would be as foolish as arrogant, even if I professed that I had already perceived it. Still, as far as it has deigned to go forth into things that seem known to us, let us track it meanwhile, if we can, as the discussion we have undertaken requires."

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Summary: Augustine defines reason as the movement of the mind able to distinguish and connect what is learned, and notes that few can use it to understand God or the soul.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.30 (CSEL 63:168–169; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.31CSEL 63:169

Ac primum uideamus, ubi hoc uerbum, quod ratio uocatur, frequentari solet; nam illud nos mouere maxime debet, quod ipse homo a ueteribus sapientibus ita definitus est: homo est animal rationale mortale. hic genere posito, quod animal dictum est, uidemus additas duas differentias, quibus credo admonendus erat homo, et quo sibi redeundum esset et unde fugiendum. nam ut progressus animae usque ad mortalia lapsus est, ita regressus esse in rationem debet; uno uerbo a bestiis, quod rationale, alio a diuinis separatur, quod mortale dicitur. illud igitur nisi tenuerit, bestia erit, hinc nisi se auerterit, diuina non erit. sed quoniam solent doctissimi uiri, quid inter rationale ac rationabile intersit, acute subtiliterque discernere, nullo modo est ad id quod instituimus neglegendum. nam rationale esse dixerunt, quod ratione uteretur uel uti posset, rationabile autem, quod ratione factum esset aut dictum. itaque has balneas rationabiles possumus dicere nostrumque sermonem, rationales autem uel illum, qui has fecit, uel nos, qui loquimur. ergo procedit ratio ab anima rationali scilicet in ea, quae uel fiunt rationabilia uel dicuntur.

"And first let us see where this word that is called reason is usually used; for this should move us most, that man himself was defined by the ancient wise men thus: man is a rational, mortal animal. Here, the genus being set down, which is called animal, we see two differentiae added, by which, I believe, man was to be reminded both where he must return and from what he must flee. For as the soul's going forth slipped down to mortal things, so its return ought to be into reason. By one word, 'rational,' he is separated from beasts; by the other, 'mortal,' from divine beings. So unless he holds to the former, he will be a beast; unless he turns away from the latter, he will not be divine. But since very learned men usually distinguish sharply and subtly between rationale and rationabile, this is by no means to be neglected for our purpose. For they called rational (rationale) what uses reason or can use it, and reasonable (rationabile) what has been made or said by reason. So we can call these baths and our conversation reasonable, but rational either the one who made them or us who are speaking. So reason proceeds from the rational soul into the things that are made or said reasonably."

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Summary: Augustine reflects on the definition of man as a rational mortal animal and distinguishes the rational, what uses reason, from the reasonable, what is made or said by reason.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.31 (CSEL 63:169; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.32CSEL 63:169–170

Duo igitur uideo, in quibus potentia uisque rationis possit ipsis etiam sensibus admoueri, opera hominum, quae uidentur, et uerba, quae audiuntur. in utroque autem utitur mens gemino nuntio pro corporis necessitate, uno, qui oculorum est, altero aurium. itaque cum aliquid uidemus congruentibus sibi partibus figuratum, non absurde dicimus rationabiliter apparere, itemque, cum aliquid bene concinere audimus, non dubitamus dicere, quod rationabiliter sonat. nemo autem non rideatur, si dixerit: rationabiliter olet aut rationabilitersapit aut rationa biliter sapit' nisi forte in his, quae propter aliquid ab hominibus procurata sunt, ut ita olerent uel saperent uel feruerent uel quid aliud, ut, si quis locum, unde grauibus odoribus serpentes fugantur, rationabiliter dicat ita olere causam intuens, quare sit factum, aut poculum, quod medicus confecerit. rationabiliter amarum esse uel dulce, aut quod temperari languido solium iusserit, calere rationabiliter aut tepere. nemo autem hortum ingressus et rosam naribus admouens audet ita laudare: quam rationabiliter fragrat! nec si medicus illam, ut olfaceret, iusserit — tunc enim praeceptum uel datum illud rationabiliter, non tamen olere rationabiliter dicitur — nec propterea, quia naturalis ille odor est. nam quamuis a coco pulmentum condiatur, rationabiliter conditum possumus dicere, rationabiliter autem sapere, cum causa extrinsecus nulla sit sed praesenti satisfiat uoluptati, nullo modo ipsa loquendi consuetudine dicitur. si enim quaeratur de illo, cui poculum medicus dederit, cur id dulciter sentire debuerit, aliud infertur, propter quod ita est, id est morbi genus, quod iam non in illo sensu est sed aliter sese habet in corpore. si autem rogetur ligurriens aliquid gulae stimulo concitatus, cur ita dulce sit, uel respondeat: quia libet aut quia delector, nemo illud dicet rationabiliter dulce, nisi forte illius delectatio alicui rei sit necessaria et illud, quod mandit, ob hoc ita confectum sit.

"So I see two things in which the power and force of reason can be brought near even to the senses themselves: the works of men, which are seen, and words, which are heard. In both the mind uses a twofold messenger, as the body requires, one that of the eyes, the other that of the ears. So when we see something shaped with parts agreeing with each other, we say not absurdly that it appears reasonably; and likewise, when we hear something harmonize well, we do not hesitate to say that it sounds reasonably. But anyone would be laughed at if he said 'it smells reasonably' or 'it tastes reasonably,' except perhaps in things arranged by men for some purpose, that they should smell or taste or be hot or something else in that way: as if someone should say that a place from which snakes are driven by strong odors smells so reasonably, looking at the reason why it was done; or that a drink which a doctor has prepared is reasonably bitter or sweet; or that a bath which he has ordered to be warmed for a sick man is reasonably hot or tepid. But no one entering a garden and putting a rose to his nose dares to praise it thus: 'How reasonably it smells!' Not even if a doctor has ordered him to smell it (for then the prescription or the gift is called reasonable, but not the smell); nor is this because that scent is natural. For although a stew is seasoned by a cook, we can say it is reasonably seasoned, but that it tastes reasonably, when there is no outside reason but present pleasure is satisfied, is in no way said in ordinary speech. For if one asks about the person to whom the doctor gave a drink why it had to taste sweet to him, something else is brought in for which it is so, namely the kind of disease, which is no longer in that sense but is otherwise in the body. But if one licking something, spurred by the goad of the gullet, is asked why it is sweet, and answers, 'Because I like it' or 'Because I enjoy it,' no one will call it reasonably sweet, unless perhaps his enjoyment is necessary for something and what he chews was prepared that way for that reason."

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Summary: Augustine notes that we speak of reason in what is seen and heard, but of smells and tastes only when they serve some purpose arranged by reason.

  • The list of absurd expressions is garbled in the digital text ("rationabilitersapit aut rationa biliter sapit'", probably a third sense such as "is hot"); it is translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Words joined in the digital text.): dulce situel respondeat → dulce sit, uel respondeat.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.32 (CSEL 63:169–170; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.33CSEL 63:170–171

Tenemus, quantum inuestigare potuimus, quaedam uestigia rationis in sensibus et, quod ad uisum atque auditum pertinet, in ipsa etiam uoluptate. alii uero sensus non in uoluptate sua sed propter aliquid aliud solent hoc nomen exigere, id autem est rationalis animantis factum propter aliquem finem. sed ad oculos quod pertinet, in quo congruentia partium rationabilis dicitur, pulchrum appellari solet, quod uero ad aures, quando rationabilem concentum dicimus cantumque numerosum rationabiliter esse conpositum, suauitas uocatur proprio iam nomine. sed neque in pulchris rebus, quod nos inlicit, neque in aurium suauitate, cum pulsa corda quasi liquide sonat atque pure, rationabile illud dicere solemus. restat ergo, ut in istorum sensuum uoluptate id ad rationem pertinere fateamur, ubi quaedam dimensio est atque modulatio.

"We have, as far as we could investigate, certain traces of reason in the senses, and, as regards sight and hearing, even in pleasure itself. The other senses usually claim this name not in their own pleasure but for the sake of something else, and that is the act of a rational animal done for some end. But as regards the eyes, in which the agreement of parts is called reasonable, it is usually called beautiful; as regards the ears, when we speak of a reasonable harmony and say that a rhythmical song is reasonably composed, it is now called by its own name, sweetness. But neither in beautiful things, as regards what attracts us, nor in the sweetness of the ears, when a struck string sounds clearly and purely, do we usually call it reasonable. It remains, then, that we admit that in the pleasure of these senses what pertains to reason is where there is a certain measure and modulation."

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Summary: Augustine concludes that in the pleasures of sight and hearing, what belongs to reason is measure and proportion, called beauty in what is seen and sweetness in what is heard.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.33 (CSEL 63:170–171; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.34CSEL 63:171–172

Itaque in hoc ipso aedificio singula bene considerantes non possumus non offendi, quod unum ostium uidemus in latere, alterum prope in medio nec tamen in medio collocatum. quippe in rebus fabricatis nulla cogente necessitate iniqua dimensio partium facere ipsi aspectui uelut quandam uidetur iniuriam. quod autem intus tres fenestrae, una in medio, duae a lateribus paribus interuallis solio lumen infundunt, quam nos delectat diligentius intuentes quamque in se animum rapit! manifesta res est nec multis uerbis uobis aperienda. unde ipsi architecti iam suo uerbo rationem istam uocant et partes discorditer conlocatas dicunt non habere rationem. quod late patet ac paene in omnes artes operaque humana diffunditur. iam in carminibus, in quibus item dicimus esse rationem ad uoluptatem aurium pertinentem, quis non sentiat dimensionem esse totius huius suauitatis opificem? sed histrione saltante cum bene spectantibus gestus illi omnes signa sint rerum, quamuis membrorum numerosus quidam motus oculos eadem illa dimensione delectet, dicitur tamen rationabilis illa saltatio, quod bene aliquid significet et ostendat excepta sensuum uoluptate. non enim, si pinnatam Uenerem faciat et Cupidinem palliatum, quamuis id mira membrorum motione atque conlocatione depingat, oculos uidetur offendere sed per oculos animum, cui signa rerum illa monstrantur; nam oculi offenderentur, si non pulchre moueretur. hoc enim pertinebat ad sensum, in quo anima eo ipso, quod mixta est corpori. percipit uoluptatem. aliud ergo sensus, aliud per sensum; nam sensum mulcet pulcher motus, per sensum autem animum solum pulchra in motu significatio. hoc etiam in auribus facilius aduertitur; nam quidquid iucunde sonat, illud ipsum auditum libet atque inlicit; quod autem per eundem sonum bene significatur, nuntio quidem aurium sed ad solam mentem refertur. itaque cum audimus illos uersus: quid tantum Oceano properent se tinguere soles hiberni uel quae tardis mora noctibus obstet, aliter metra laudamus aliterque sententiam nec sub eodem intellectu dicimus: rationabiliter sonat et rationabiliter dictum est.

"So in this very building, considering each part well, we cannot fail to be offended that we see one door at the side and another almost in the middle, yet not placed in the middle. For in things that are built, an unequal measure of parts, when no necessity compels it, seems to do a kind of injury to the sight itself. But that inside three windows, one in the middle and two at the sides at equal intervals, pour light on the bath: how it delights us as we look more carefully, and how it carries the mind into itself! The thing is clear and need not be opened to you with many words. Hence the architects themselves now call this 'reason' in their own term, and say that parts placed discordantly 'have no reason.' This extends widely and spreads into almost all the arts and works of men. Now in poems, in which we likewise say there is a reason pertaining to the pleasure of the ears, who does not perceive that measure is the craftsman of all this sweetness? But when an actor dances, since to those who watch well all those gestures are signs of things, although a certain rhythmic movement of the limbs delights the eyes by that same measure, the dance is still called reasonable because it signifies and shows something well, apart from the pleasure of the senses. For if he makes a winged Venus and a cloaked Cupid, even though he depicts it with wonderful movement and placing of the limbs, he does not seem to offend the eyes, but through the eyes the mind, to which those signs of things are shown; for the eyes would be offended if he did not move beautifully. For that pertained to sense, in which the soul, by the very fact that it is mixed with the body, perceives pleasure. So sense is one thing, what comes through sense another; for beautiful movement soothes the sense, but beautiful signification in the movement soothes, through the sense, the mind alone. This is noticed even more easily in the ears; for whatever sounds pleasantly pleases and attracts the hearing itself; but what is well signified by the same sound is brought by the messenger of the ears but is referred to the mind alone. So when we hear those verses, 'why winter suns hasten so to dip themselves in the Ocean, or what delay stands in the way of the slow nights,' we praise the meter in one way and the thought in another, and we do not say with the same understanding 'it sounds reasonably' and 'it is said reasonably.'"

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Summary: Augustine illustrates the role of measure in architecture, poetry, and dance, distinguishing the pleasure of the senses from the meaning grasped by the mind through the senses.

  • The verses are Vergil, Georgics 2.481–482 (also Aeneid 1.745–746).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip.): oculos aidetur offendere → oculos uidetur offendere.

Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Georg. 2.481–482 (Virgil; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.34 (CSEL 63:171–172; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.35CSEL 63:172–173

Ergo iam tria genera sunt rerum, in quibus illud rationabile apparet, unum est in factis ad aliquem finem relatis, alterum in discendo, tertium in delectando. primum nos admonet nihil temere facere, secundum recte docere, ultimum beate contemplari; in moribus est illud superius, haec autem duo in disciplinis, de quibus nunc agimus. namque illud, quod in nobis est rationale, id est quod ratione utitur et rationabilia uel facit uel sequitur, quia naturali quodam uinculo in eorum societate adstringebatur, cum quibus illi erat ratio ipsa communis — nec homini homo firmissime sociari posset, nisi conloquerentur atque ita sibi mentes suas cogitationesque quasi refunderent — uidit esse inponenda rebus uocabula, id est significantes quosdam sonos, ut, quoniam sentire animos suos non poterant, ad eos sibi copulandos sensu quasi interprete uterentur. sed audiri absentium uerba non poterant; ergo illa ratio peperit litteras notatis omnibus oris ac linguae sonis atque discretis. nihil autem horum facere poterat, si multitudo rerum sine quodam defixo termino infinito patere uideretur. ergo utilitas numerandi magna necessitate animaduersa est. quibus duobus repertis nata est illa librariorum et calculonum professio uelut quaedam grammaticae infantia, quam Uarro litterationem uocat; Graece autem quomodo appelletur, non satis in praesentia recolo.

"So there are now three kinds of things in which the reasonable appears: one in deeds directed to some end, the second in teaching, the third in delighting. The first warns us to do nothing rashly, the second to teach rightly, the last to contemplate happily; the former belongs to morals, these two to the disciplines, which we are now discussing. For that in us which is rational, that is, which uses reason and either makes or follows reasonable things, because it was bound by a kind of natural bond in fellowship with those with whom reason itself was common to it (and man could not be most firmly united to man unless they talked together and so, as it were, poured their minds and thoughts into each other), saw that words must be imposed on things, that is, certain signifying sounds, so that, since they could not perceive each other's minds, they might use sense as an interpreter to unite them to themselves. But the words of the absent could not be heard; so that reason produced letters, marking and distinguishing all the sounds of the mouth and tongue. But it could do none of these things if the multitude of things seemed to extend infinitely without some fixed limit. So the usefulness of numbering was noticed under great necessity. When these two had been discovered, the profession of copyists and calculators was born, a kind of infancy of grammar, which Varro calls litteratio; what it is called in Greek I do not quite recall at present."

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Summary: Augustine distinguishes three domains of the reasonable, in action, teaching, and delight, and describes how reason, for the sake of human fellowship, invented words, letters, and numbers, the beginnings of grammar.

  • Varro's term litteratio (elementary instruction in letters) is from a lost work on the disciplines.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro, Disciplinae (lost) (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.35 (CSEL 63:172–173; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.36CSEL 63:173

Progressa deinde ratio animaduertit eosdem oris sonos, quibus loqueremur et quos litteris iam signauerat, alios esse, qui moderato uarie hiatu quasi enodati ac simplices faucibus sine ulla conlisione defluerent, alios diuerso pressu oris, tenere tamen aliquem sonum, extremos autem, qui nisi adiunctis sibi primis erumpere non ualerent. itaque litteras hoc ordine, quo expositae sunt, uocales semiuocales et mutas nominauit; deinde syllabas notauit. deinde uerba in octo genera formasque digesta sunt omnisque illorum motus integritas iunctura perite subtiliterque distincta sunt. inde iam numerorum et dimensionis non inmemor adiecit animum in ipsas uocum et syllabarum uarias moras atque inde spatia temporis alia dupla, alia simpla esse conperit, quibus longae breuesque syllabae tenderentur. notauit etiam ista et in regulas certas disposuit.

"Then reason, advancing further, noticed that of those same sounds of the mouth by which we spoke and which it had already marked with letters, some flowed from the throat without any collision, as it were unknotted and simple, by a variously controlled opening; others still held some sound by a different pressure of the mouth; and the last could not break forth unless the first were joined to them. So it named the letters, in the order in which they have been set out, vowels, semivowels, and mutes; then it marked syllables; then words were arranged into eight kinds and forms, and all their movement, completeness, and joining were distinguished skillfully and subtly. From there, not forgetful of numbers and measure, it turned its mind to the various durations of the sounds and syllables themselves, and found that some lengths of time were double, others single, by which long and short syllables were extended. It marked these too and arranged them into fixed rules."

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Summary: Augustine describes reason's development of grammar: the classes of letters, syllables, the eight parts of speech, and the quantities of syllables.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.36 (CSEL 63:173; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-36). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.37CSEL 63:173–174

Poterat iam perfecta esse grammatica sed, quia ipso nomine profiteri se litteras clamat-unde etiam Latine litteratura dicitur — factum est, ut, quidquid dignum memoria litteris mandaretur, ad eam necessario pertineret. itaque unum quidem nomen, sed res infinita multiplex curarum plenior quam iucunditatis aut ueritatis huic disciplinae accessit, historia non tam ipsis historicis quam grammaticis laboriosa. quis enim ferat imperitum uideri hominem, qui uolasse Daedalum non audierit, mendacem illum, qui finxerit, stultum, qui crediderit, impudentem, qui interrogauerit, non uideri, aut in quo nostros familiares grauiter miserari soleo, qui si non responderint, quid uocata sit mater Euryali, accusantur inscitiae, cum ipsi eos, a quibus ea rogantur, uanos et ineptos nec curiosos audeant appellare?

"Grammar could now have been complete; but because by its very name it proclaims that it professes letters (hence in Latin it is called litteratura), it came about that whatever worthy of memory was committed to letters necessarily belonged to it. So one name indeed, but a thing infinite, manifold, more full of cares than of pleasure or truth, was added to this discipline: history, laborious not so much for the historians themselves as for the grammarians. For who would put up with it that a man should seem ignorant who has not heard that Daedalus flew, while he who invented it does not seem a liar, he who believed it a fool, and he who asks about it shameless? Or, in which matter I usually pity our friends greatly, that if they have not answered what the mother of Euryalus was called, they are accused of ignorance, while they do not dare to call those who ask them such things vain, silly, and idly curious?"

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Summary: Augustine notes that grammar came to include history, much of which is laborious trivia, such as the flight of Daedalus or the name of Euryalus's mother.

  • Euryalus's mother appears, unnamed, in Vergil, Aeneid 9.

Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Aen. 9 (Virgil; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.37 (CSEL 63:173–174; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-37). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.38CSEL 63:174

Illa igitur ratio perfecta dispositaque grammatica admonita est quaerere atque attendere hanc ipsam uim, qua peperit artem; nam eam definiendo distribuendo colligendo non solum digesserat atque ordinarat uerum ab omni etiam falsitatis inreptione defenderat. quando ergo transiret ad alia fabricanda, nisi ipsa sua prius quasi quaedam machinamenta et instrumenta distingueret notaret digereret proderetque ipsam disciplinam disciplinarum, quam dialecticam uocant? haec docet docere, haec docet discere; in hac se ipsa ratio demonstrat atque aperit, quae sit, quid uelit, quid ualeat. scit scire, sola scientes facere non solum uult sed etiam potest. uerum quoniam plerumque stulti homines ad ea, quae suadentur recte utiliter et honeste, non ipsam sincerissimam quam rarus animus uidet ueritatem, sed proprios sensus consuetudinemque sectantur, oportebat eos non doceri solum, quantum queunt, sed saepe et maxime commoueri. hanc suam partem, quae id ageret, necessitatis pleniorem quam puritatis refertissimo gremio deliciarum, quas populo spargat, ut ad utilitatem suam dignetur adduci, uocauit rhetoricam. hactenus pars illa, quae in significando rationabilis dicitur, studiis liberalibus disciplinisque promota est.

"So that reason, grammar having been perfected and arranged, was prompted to seek and attend to that very power by which it had produced the art; for by defining, dividing, and gathering it had not only arranged and ordered it but had also defended it from every creeping in of falsehood. When, then, would it pass on to building other things, unless it first distinguished, marked, and arranged its own machines and instruments, as it were, and brought forth the discipline of disciplines itself, which they call dialectic? This teaches how to teach, this teaches how to learn; in it reason itself shows and discloses what it is, what it wants, what it can do. It knows how to know; it alone not only wants but is also able to make men knowers. But since foolish men, in matters which they are urged to rightly, usefully, and honorably, generally follow not that most pure truth itself, which a rare mind sees, but their own feelings and habit, they needed not only to be taught as far as they could but often and most of all to be moved. This part of itself which did this, more full of necessity than of purity, with a lap very full of delights to scatter to the people so that they might deign to be led to their own advantage, it called rhetoric. Thus far that part which is called reasonable in signifying has been advanced by liberal studies and disciplines."

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Summary: Augustine describes how reason, after grammar, produced dialectic, the discipline of disciplines that teaches how to teach and learn, and rhetoric, which moves those who cannot be taught by truth alone.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.38 (CSEL 63:174; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-38). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.39CSEL 63:174–175

Hinc se illa ratio ad ipsarum diuinarum rerum beatissimam contemplationem rapere uoluit. sed ne de alto caderet, quaesiuit gradus atque ipsam sibi uiam per suas possessiones ordinemque molita est. desiderabat enim pulchritudinem, quam sola et simplex posset sine istis oculis intueri; inpediebatur a sensibus. itaque in eos ipsos paululum aciem torsit, qui ueritatem sese habere clamantes festinantem ad alia pergere inportuno strepitu reuocabant. et primo ab auribus coepit, quia dicebant ipsa uerba sua esse, quibus iam et grammaticam et dialecticam et rhetoricam fecerat. at ista potentissima secernendi cito uidit, quid inter sonum et id, cuius signum esset, distaret. intellexit nihil aliud ad aurium iudicium pertinere quam sonum eumque esse triplicem, aut in uoce animantis aut in eo, quod flatus in organis faceret, aut in eo, quod pulsu ederetur; ad primum pertinere tragoedos uel comoedos uel choros cuiuscemodi atque omnes omnino, qui uoce propria canerent, secundum tibiis et similibus instrumentis deputari, tertio dari citharas lyras cymbala atque omne, quod percutiendo canorum esset.

"From here that reason wished to snatch itself up to the most blessed contemplation of divine things themselves. But so as not to fall from a height, it sought steps and built itself a road through its own possessions and order. For it desired a beauty which it alone and simple could behold without these eyes; it was hindered by the senses. So it turned its gaze a little toward those very senses which, crying out that they possessed the truth, were calling it back with untimely noise as it hurried on to other things. And first it began with the ears, because they said that those very words were theirs with which it had already made grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric. But reason, most powerful in distinguishing, quickly saw what difference there was between a sound and that of which it was a sign. It understood that nothing pertained to the judgment of the ears but sound, and that sound was threefold: either in the voice of a living being, or in what breath makes in instruments, or in what is produced by striking. To the first pertained tragic or comic actors or choruses of any kind and absolutely all who sing with their own voice; the second was assigned to flutes and similar instruments; to the third were given citharas, lyres, cymbals, and everything that is musical by being struck."

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Summary: Reason, seeking to rise to divine contemplation by steps, turns to the senses, beginning with hearing, and distinguishes three kinds of sound: voice, wind instruments, and struck instruments.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.39 (CSEL 63:174–175; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.40CSEL 63:175

Uidebat autem hanc materiam esse uilissimam, nisi certa dimensione temporum et acuminis grauitatisque moderata uarietate soni figurarentur. recognouit hinc esse illa semina, quae in grammatica, cum syllabas diligenti consideratione uersaret, pedes et accentus uocauerat, et quia in ipsis uerbis breuitates et longitudines syllabarum prope aequali multitudine sparsas in oratione attendere facile fuit, temptauit pedes illos in ordines certos disponere atque coniungere, et in eo primo sensum ipsum secuta moderatos inpressit articulos, quae caesa et membra nominant. et ne longius pedum cursus prouolueretur, quam eius iudicium posset sustinere, modum statuit, unde reuerteretur, et ab eo ipso uersum uocauit. quod autem non esset certo fine moderatum sed tamen rationabiliter ordinatis pedibus curreret, rhythmi nomine notauit, qui Latine nihil aliud quam numerus dici potuit. sic ab ea poetae geniti sunt. in quibus cum uideret non solum sonorum sed etiam uerborum rerumque magna momenta, plurimum eos honorauit eisque tribuit quorum uellent rationabilium mendaciorum potestatem. et quoniam de prima illa disciplina stirpem ducebant, iudices in eos grammaticos esse permisit.

"But it saw that this material was most worthless unless the sounds were shaped by a fixed measure of time and a controlled variety of high and low pitch. It recognized that from here came those seeds which in grammar, when it was turning over syllables with careful consideration, it had called feet and accents; and because in words themselves it was easy to notice the shortness and length of syllables scattered in speech in nearly equal numbers, it tried to arrange those feet into fixed orders and join them; and in this, first following the sense itself, it imposed measured joints, which they call caesuras and members. And so that the course of the feet should not roll on further than its judgment could sustain, it set a limit from which it should turn back, and from that very turning it called it verse. But what was not measured by a fixed end, yet ran in reasonably ordered feet, it marked with the name of rhythm, which in Latin could be called nothing but number. So poets were born from it. Seeing in them great moments not only of sounds but also of words and things, it honored them very highly and gave them power over whatever reasonable lies they wished. And since they derived their stock from that first discipline, it allowed the grammarians to be their judges."

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Summary: Reason discovers meter and rhythm from the measures of syllables, names verse from its turning back, and so gives rise to poets, whom it allows reasonable fictions under the judgment of grammarians.

  • Versus (verse) is derived from vertere (to turn).

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.40 (CSEL 63:175; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-40). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.41CSEL 63:175–176

In hoc igitur quarto gradu siue in rhythmis siue in ipsa modulatione intellegebat regnare numeros totumque perficere; inspexit diligentissime, cuius modi essent; reperiebat diuinos et sempiternos, praesertim quod ipsis auxiliantibus omnia superiora contexuerat. et iam tolerabat aegerrime splendorem illorum atque serenitatem corporea uocum materia decolorari. et quoniam illud, quod mens uidet, semper est praesens et inmortale adprobatur - cuius generis numeri apparebant — sonus autem, quia sensibilis res est. praeteritum tempus inprimiturque memoriae, rationabili mendacio iam poetis fauente ratione Iouis et Memoriae filias Musas esse confictum est. unde ista disciplina sensus intellectusque particeps musicae nomen inuenit.

"In this fourth step, then, whether in rhythms or in modulation itself, it understood that numbers reign and perfect the whole. It examined most carefully of what kind they were; it found them divine and eternal, especially since with their help it had woven together all the preceding things. And now it bore it very hard that their splendor and clarity should be discolored by the bodily matter of sounds. And since what the mind sees is always present and is approved as immortal (and numbers appeared to be of this kind), while sound, because it is a sensible thing, passes into the past and is impressed on memory, by a reasonable lie, reason now favoring the poets, it was invented that the Muses are the daughters of Jupiter and Memory. Hence this discipline, sharing in sense and intellect, found the name of music."

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Summary: In music reason finds that eternal numbers rule, and explains the fable of the Muses as daughters of Jupiter and Memory, since sound passes and is kept by memory.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR misread I as l.): ratione louis → ratione Iouis.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.41 (CSEL 63:175–176; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-41). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.42CSEL 63:176

Hinc profecta est in oculorum opes et terram caelumque conlustrans sensit nihil aliud quam pulchritudinem sibi placere et in pulchritudine figuras, in figuris dimensiones, in dimensionibus numeros quaesiuitque ipsa secum, utrum ibi talis linea talisque rotunditas uel quaelibet alia forma et figura esset, qualem intellegentia contineret. longe deteriorem inuenit et nulla ex parte, quod uiderent oculi, cum eo, quod mens cerneret, conparandum. haec quoque distincta et disposita in disciplinam redegit appellauitque geometricam. motus eam caeli multum mouebat et ad se diligenter considerandum inuitabat. etiam ibi per constantissimas temporum uices, per astrorum ratos definitosque cursus, per interuallorum spatia moderata intellexit nihil aliud quam illam dimensionem numerosque dominari, quae similiter definiendo ac secernendo in ordinem nectens astrologiam genuit, magnum religiosis argumentum tormentumque curiosis.

"From here it set out into the riches of the eyes, and surveying earth and sky, it perceived that nothing pleased it but beauty, and in beauty shapes, in shapes measures, in measures numbers; and it asked itself whether such a line and such a roundness, or any other form and shape, were there such as the intelligence contained. It found them far inferior, and that what the eyes saw was in no respect to be compared with what the mind discerned. These too, distinguished and arranged, it reduced to a discipline and called geometry. The movement of the heavens moved it greatly and invited it to consider it carefully. There too, through the most constant changes of seasons, through the fixed and defined courses of the stars, through the measured spaces of their intervals, it understood that nothing ruled but that measure and those numbers; and, likewise defining and distinguishing and binding them into order, it produced astronomy, a great argument for the religious and a torment for the curious."

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Summary: Turning to sight, reason finds that visible shapes fall far short of those the mind contains and founds geometry, and from the ordered movements of the heavens produces astronomy.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.42 (CSEL 63:176; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-42). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.43CSEL 63:176–177

In his igitur omnibus disciplinis occurrebant ei omnia numerosa, quae tamen in illis dimensionibus manifestius eminebant, quas in se ipsa cogitando atque uoluendo intuebatur uerissimas, in his autem, quae sentiuntur, umbras earum potius atque uestigia recolebat. hic se multum erexit multumque praesumpsit, ausa est inmortalem animam conprobare. tractauit omnia diligenter, percepit prorsus se plurimum posse et quidquid posset numeris posse. mouit eam quoddam miraculum et suspicari coepit se ipsam fortasse numerum esse eum ipsum, quo cuncta numerarentur, aut si id non esset, ibi tamen eum esse, quo peruenire satageret. hunc uero totis uiribus conprehendit, qui iam uniuersae ueritatis index futurus, ille, cuius mentionem fecit Alypius, cum de Academicis quaereremus, quasi Proteus in manibus erat. imagines enim falsae rerum earum, quas numeramus, ab illo occultissimo, quo numeramus, defluentes in sese rapiunt cogitationem et saepe illum, cum iam tenetur, elabi faciunt.

"In all these disciplines, then, everything presented itself to it as numerical; yet these stood out more manifestly in those measures which, thinking and turning them over within itself, it beheld as most true, while in the things that are sensed it recognized rather their shadows and traces. Here it lifted itself up greatly and presumed much; it dared to prove the soul immortal. It handled everything carefully; it perceived that it could do very much, and that whatever it could do, it could do by numbers. A certain wonder moved it, and it began to suspect that it might itself be that very number by which all things are numbered, or, if not, that that number was there where it was striving to arrive. And this it grasped with all its strength, which was to be the revealer of all truth, and that Proteus whom Alypius mentioned when we were inquiring about the Academics was as it were in its hands. For the false images of the things we number, flowing down from that most hidden one by which we number, snatch thought to themselves and often make it slip away when it is already held."

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Summary: Reason finds number in all the disciplines, most truly in the measures grasped by the mind, dares to prove the soul immortal, and suspects that it is itself the number by which all things are numbered, though false images make it elusive like Proteus.

  • Proteus: see Against the Academics 3.11–13.

Extrabiblical texts: Augustine, C. Acad. 3.11–13 (Against the Academics; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.43 (CSEL 63:176–177; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-43). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.44CSEL 63:177–178

Quibus si quisque non cesserit et illa omnia, quae per tot disciplinas late uarieque diffusa sunt, ad unum quiddam simplex uerum certumque redegerit, eruditi dignissimus nomine non temere iam quaerit illa diuina non iam credenda solum uerum etiam contemplanda intellegenda atque retinenda. quisquis autem uel adhuc seruus cupiditatum et inhians rebus pereuntibus uel iam ista fugiens casteque uiuens, nesciens tamen, quid sit nihil, quid informis materia, quid formatum exanime, quid corpus, quid exanime in corpore, quid locus, quid tempus, quid in loco, quid in tempore, quid motus secundum locum, quid motus non secundum locum, quid stabilis motus, quid sit aeuum, quid sit nec in loco esse nec nusquam, quid sit praeter tempus et semper, quid sit et nusquam esse et nusquam non esse et numquam esse et numquam non esse, quisquis ergo ista nesciens, non dico de summo illo deo. qui scitur melius nesciendo, sed de anima ipsa sua quaerere ac disputare uoluerit, tantum errabit, quantum errari plurimum potest. facilius autem ista cognoscet. qui numeros simplices atque intellegibiles conprehenderit; porro istos conprehendet, qui et ingenio ualens et priuilegio aetatis aut cuiuslibet felicitatis otiosus et studio uehementer incensus memoratum disciplinarum ordinem, quantum satis est, fuerit persecutus. cum enim artes illae omnes liberales partim ad usum uitae partim ad cognitionem rerum contemplationemque discantur, usum earum assequi difficillimum est nisi ei. qui ab ipsa pueritia ingeniosissimus instantissime atque constantissime operam dederit.

"If anyone does not yield to them, and reduces all those things which are spread widely and variously through so many disciplines to one simple, true, and certain thing, he is most worthy of the name of learned, and not rashly does he now seek those divine things, no longer only to be believed but also to be contemplated, understood, and retained. But whoever, whether still a slave of desires and gaping after perishing things, or already fleeing them and living chastely, does not know what nothing is, what formless matter is, what a lifeless formed thing is, what a body is, what the lifeless in a body is, what place is, what time is, what is in place, what is in time, what motion according to place is, what motion not according to place is, what stable motion is, what eternity is, what it is to be neither in place nor nowhere, what it is to be beyond time and always, what it is both to be nowhere and to be nowhere not, and never to be and never not to be: whoever, I say, not knowing these things, wishes to inquire and dispute, I do not say about that highest God, who is better known by not knowing, but about his own soul, will err as much as it is possible to err. But he will know these things more easily who has grasped simple and intelligible numbers; and he will grasp these who, strong in talent, at leisure by the privilege of age or of some good fortune, and vehemently on fire with zeal, has followed the order of disciplines we have described as far as is sufficient. For since all those liberal arts are learned partly for the use of life and partly for the knowledge and contemplation of things, it is very difficult to attain their use except for one who, very gifted from childhood itself, has applied himself most earnestly and constantly."

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Summary: Augustine says that one who reduces the disciplines to one simple truth may seek divine things, but one ignorant of basic metaphysical notions will err greatly even about his own soul, let alone God, who is better known by not knowing.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR garbled facilius.): facili?.. autem → facilius autem.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ord. 2.44 (CSEL 63:177–178; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-ordine/2-24/#p-2-44). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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