City of God 13.10–13.18

Latin text: Hoffmann, CSEL 40 (Latin text: Dombart and Hoffmann, De civitate dei (CSEL 40, 1899-1900), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 2 (1887).

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Chapter 13

13.10CSEL 40:626–627

CAPUT X. An uita mortalium mors potius quam uita dicenda sit. Ex quo enim quisque in isto corpore morituro esse coeperit, numquam in eo non agitur ut mors ueniat. Hoc enim agit eius mutabilitas toto tempore uitae huius (si tamen uita dicenda est), ut ueniatur in mortem. Nemo quippe est, qui non ei post annum sit, quam ante annum fuit, et cras quam hodie, et hodie quam heri, et paulo post quam nunc, et nunc quam paulo ante propinquior; quoniam, quidquid temporis uiuitur, de spatio uiuendi demitur, et cottidie fit minus minusque quod restat, ut omnino nihil sit aliud tempus uitae huius, quam cursus ad mortem, in quo nemo uel paululum stare uel aliquanto tardius ire permittitur; sed urgentur omnes pari motu nec diuerso inpelluntur accessu. Neque enim, cui uita breuior fuit, celerius diem duxit quam ille, cui longior; sed cum aequaliter et aequalia momenta raperentur ambobus, alter habuit propius, alter remotius, quo non inpari uelocitate ambo currebant. Aliud est autem amplius uiae peregisse, aliud tardius ambulasse. Qui ergo usque ad mortem productiora spatia temporis agit, non lentius pergit, sed plus itineris conficit. Porro si ex illo quisque incipit mori, hoc est esse in morte, ex quo in illo agi coeperit ipsa mors, id est uitae detractio (quia, cum detrahendo finita fuerit, post mortem iam erit, non in morte): profecto, ex quo esse incipit in hoc corpore, in morte est. Quid enim aliud diebus horis momentisque singulis agitur, donec ea consumta mors, quae agebatur, inpleatur, et incipiat iam tempus esse post mortem, quod, cum uita detraheretur, erat in morte? Numquam igitur in uita homo est, ex quo est in isto corpore moriente potius quam uiuente, si et in uita et in morte simul non potest esse. An potius et in uita et in morte simul est; in uita scilicet, in qua uiuit, donec tota detrahatur; in morte autem, quia iam moritur, cum uita detrahitur? Si enim non est in uita, quid est quod detrahitur, donec eius fiat perfecta consumtio? Si autem non est in morte, quid est uitae ipsa detractio? Non enim frustra, cum uita fuerit corpori tota detracta, post mortem iam dicitur, nisi quia mors erat, cum detraheretur. Nam si ea detracta non est homo in morte, sed post mortem: quando, nisi cum detrahitur, erit in morte?

Chapter 10. Whether the life of mortals should be called death rather than life.

For from the moment anyone begins to exist in this body that is to die, the work of bringing death never ceases in it. For its changeableness brings this about through the whole time of this life (if indeed it is to be called life), that it comes to death. For there is no one who is not nearer to it after a year than a year before, and tomorrow than today, and today than yesterday, and a little later than now, and now than a little before; since whatever time is lived is taken from the span of living, and every day what remains becomes less and less, so that the time of this life is nothing else at all than a race to death, in which no one is allowed to stand still even a little or to go somewhat more slowly; but all are pressed on with equal motion and driven by no different approach. For he whose life was shorter did not pass his day more quickly than he whose life was longer; but, since equal moments were snatched equally from both, one had nearer, the other farther off, the goal to which both were running with no unequal speed. It is one thing to have covered more of the road, another to have walked more slowly. He, then, who passes longer spans of time until death does not go more slowly, but completes more of the journey. Further, if each begins to die, that is, to be in death, from the moment death itself, that is, the subtraction of life, begins to work in him (since, when the subtraction is finished, he will then be after death, not in death), then surely from the moment he begins to exist in this body he is in death. For what else is done in each day, hour, and moment, until, these being used up, the death that was being worked is fulfilled, and the time begins that is after death, which, while life was being subtracted, was in death? Never, then, is man in life from the moment he is in this body, which is dying rather than living, if he cannot be in life and death at once. Or is he rather in life and death at once: in life, namely, in which he lives until it is all taken away; but in death, because he is already dying when life is being taken away? For if he is not in life, what is it that is taken away until its consumption is complete? But if he is not in death, what is this very subtraction of life? For it is not in vain that, when life has been wholly taken away from the body, it is then said to be after death, unless because it was death while it was being taken away. For if, when it has been taken away, man is not in death but after death, when, if not while it is being taken away, will he be in death?

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Summary: Mortal life is a race toward death in which all run at equal speed; from birth one is in a sense already in death.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray dash): Ex - quo → Ex quo.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.10 (CSEL 40:626–627; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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13.11CSEL 40:627–630

CAPUT XI. An quisquam simul et uiuens esse possit et mortuus. Si autem absurdum est, ut hominem, antequam ad mortem perueniat, iam esse dicamus in morte (cui enim propinquat peragendo uitae suae tempora, si iam in illa est?), maxime quia nimis est insolens, ut simul et uiuens esse dicatur et moriens, cum uigilans et dormiens simul esse non possit: quaerendum est quando erit moriens. Etenim antequam mors ueniat, non est moriens, sed uiuens; cum uero mors uenerit, mortuus erit, non moriens. Illud ergo est adhuc ante mortem, hoc iam post mortem. Quando ergo in morte? Tunc enim est moriens, ut, quem ad modum tria sunt cum dicimus ante mortem, in morte, post mortem, ita tria singulis singula uiuens, moriens mortuusque reddantur. Quando itaque sit moriens, id est in morte, ubi neque sit uiuens, quod est ante mortem, neque mortuus, quod est post mortem, sed moriens, id est in morte, difficillime definitur. Quamdiu quippe est anima in corpore, maxime si etiam sensus adsit, procul dubio uiuit homo, qui constat ex anima et corpore, ac per hoc adhuc ante mortem, non in morte esse dicendus est; cum uero anima abscesserit omnemque abstulerit corporis sensum, iam post mortem mortuusque perhibetur. Perit igitur inter utrumque, quo moriens uel in morte sit; quoniam si adhuc uiuit, ante mortem est; si uiuere destitit, iam post mortem est. Numquam ergo moriens, id est in morte, esse conprehenditur. Ita etiam in transcursu temporum quaeritur praesens, nec inuenitur, quia sine ullo spatio est, per quod transitur ex futuro in praeteritum. Nonne ergo uidendum est, ne ista ratione mors corporis nulla esse dicatur? Si enim est, quando est, quae in ullo et in qua ullus esse non potest? Quando quidem si uiuitur, adhuc non est, quia hoc ante mortem, non in morte; si autem uiuere iam cessatum est, iam non est, quia et hoc post mortem est, non in morte. Sed rursus si nulla mors est ante quid uel post, quid est quod dicitur ante mortem siue post mortem? Nam et hoc inaniter dicitur, si mors nulla est. Adque utinam in paradiso bene uiuendo egissemus, ut re uera nulla mors esset. Nunc autem non solum est, uerum etiam tam molesta est, ut nec ulla explicari locutione possit nec ulla ratione uitari. Loquamur ergo secundum consuetudinem (non enim aliter debemus) et dicamus ante mortem, priusquam mors accidat; sicut scriptum est: Ante mortem ne laudes hominem quemquam. Dicamus etiam cum acciderit: Post mortem illius uel illius factum est illud aut illud. Dicamus et de praesenti tempore ut possumus, uelut cum ita loquimur: Moriens ille testatus est, et: Illis adque illis illud adque illud moriens dereliquit; quamuis hoc nisi uiuens omnino facere non posset et potius hoc ante mortem fecerit, non in morte. Loquamur etiam sicut loquitur scriptura diuina, quae mortuos quoque non post mortem, sed in morte esse non dubitat dicere. Hinc enim est illud: Quoniam non est in morte, qui memor sit tui. Donec enim reuiuescant, recte esse dicuntur in morte, sicut in somno esse quisque, donec euigilet, dicitur; quamuis in somno positos dicamus dormientes, nec tamen eo modo possumus dicere eos, qui iam sunt mortui, morientes. Non enim adhuc moriuntur, qui, quantum adtinet ad corporis mortem, de qua nunc disserimus, iam sunt a corporibus separati. Sed hoc est, quod dixi explicari aliqua locutione non posse, quonam modo uel morientes dicantur uiuere uel iam mortui etiam post mortem adhuc esse dicantur in morte. Quo modo enim post mortem, si adhuc in morte? praesertim cum eos nec morientes dicamus, sicuti eos, qui in somno sunt, dicimus dormientes, et qui in languore, languentes, et qui in dolore, utique dolentes, et qui in uita, uiuentes; at uero mortui, priusquam resurgant, esse dicuntur in morte, nec tamen possunt appellari morientes. Unde non inportune neque incongrue arbitror accidisse, etsi non humana industria, iudicio fortasse diuino, ut hoc uerbum, quod est moritur, in Latina lingua nec grammatici declinare potuerint, ea regula qua cetera talia declinantur. Namque ab eo quod est oritur, fit uerbum praeteriti temporis ortus est; et si qua similia sunt, per temporis praeteriti participia declinantur. Ab eo uero, quod est moritur, si quaeramus praeteriti temporis uerbum, responderi adsolet mortuus est, u littera geminata. Sic enim dicitur mortuus, quo modo fatuus, arduus, [carduus], conspicuus et si qua similia, quae non sunt praeteriti temporis, sed quoniam nomina sunt, sine tempore declinantur. Illud autem, quasi ut declinetur, quod declinari non potest, pro participio praeteriti temporis ponitur nomen. Conuenienter itaque factum est, ut, quem ad modum id quod significat non potest agendo, ita ipsum uerbum non posset loquendo declinari. Agi tamen potest in adiutorio gratiae Redemtoris nostri, ut saltem secundam mortem declinare possimus. Illa est enim grauior et omnium malorum pessima, quae non fit separatione animae et corporis, sed in aeternam poenam potius utriusque conplexu. Ibi e contrario non erunt homines ante mortem adque post mortem, sed semper in morte; ac per hoc numquam uiuentes, numquam mortui, sed sine fine morientes. Numquam enim erit homini peius in morte, quam ubi erit mors ipsa sine morte.

Chapter 11. Whether anyone can be at once living and dead.

But if it is absurd for us to say that a man is already in death before he reaches death (for what does he approach in passing the times of his life, if he is already in it?), especially since it is very unusual to say that he is at once living and dying, since he cannot be at once waking and sleeping, we must ask when he will be dying. For before death comes, he is not dying but living; but when death has come, he will be dead, not dying. The one, then, is still before death, the other already after death. When, then, is he in death? For then he is dying; so that, as there are three things when we say before death, in death, after death, so to the three correspond the three, living, dying, and dead. When, then, he is dying, that is, in death, where he is neither living, which is before death, nor dead, which is after death, but dying, that is, in death, is most difficult to define. For as long as the soul is in the body, especially if feeling is present too, beyond doubt the man, who consists of soul and body, lives, and so must be said to be still before death, not in death; but when the soul has departed and taken away all feeling of the body, he is then said to be after death and dead. There perishes, then, between the two, the time in which he would be dying or in death; since, if he still lives, he is before death; if he has ceased to live, he is already after death. He is never, then, found to be dying, that is, in death. So also in the passage of times the present is sought and not found, because it is without any extent through which one passes from future to past. Must we not beware, then, lest by this reasoning it be said that there is no death of the body? For if it exists, when does it exist, which can be in no one and in which no one can be? Since, if one is living, it is not yet, because this is before death, not in death; but if living has already ceased, it no longer is, because this too is after death, not in death. But again, if there is no death, what is it that is called before death or after death? For this too is said in vain if there is no death. And would that by living well in paradise we had brought it about that there were really no death! But as it is, it not only exists but is so distressing that it can neither be explained by any form of speech nor avoided by any reasoning.

Let us speak, then, according to custom (for we ought not to do otherwise), and say “before death,” before death happens, as it is written: “Praise no man before his death.” Let us say too, when it has happened: “After the death of this or that man, this or that was done.” Let us speak also of the present time as we can, as when we say: “That man, when dying, made his will,” and, “When dying he left this and that to these and those,” although he could not do this at all unless living, and did it rather before death, not in death. Let us speak also as the divine Scripture speaks, which does not hesitate to say that even the dead are not after death but in death. Hence is that saying: “For in death there is no one who remembers you.” For until they come to life again, they are rightly said to be in death, as anyone is said to be in sleep until he wakes; although we call those who are in sleep sleeping, yet we cannot in the same way call those who are already dead dying. For they are no longer dying who, as far as concerns the death of the body, of which we are now speaking, are already separated from their bodies. But this is what I said cannot be explained by any form of speech: how either the dying are said to live, or those already dead are said to be still in death even after death. For how are they after death if they are still in death? Especially since we do not call them dying, as we call those who are in sleep sleeping, and those in languor languishing, and those in pain certainly suffering, and those in life living; but the dead, before they rise again, are said to be in death, and yet cannot be called dying.

Hence I think it has come about not unfittingly or incongruously, though not by human effort, perhaps by divine judgment, that the grammarians could not decline this verb moritur (“he dies”) in the Latin language by the rule by which others of the kind are declined. For from oritur (“he rises”) comes the past-tense verb ortus est; and any similar verbs are declined by their past participles. But from moritur, if we ask for the past-tense verb, the usual answer is mortuus est, with the letter u doubled. For mortuus is said in the same way as fatuus, arduus, conspicuus, and similar words, which are not of past time but, since they are nouns, are declined without tense. But that word, as if to decline what cannot be declined, is put as a noun in place of the past participle. It has come about fittingly, then, that as the thing it signifies cannot be declined (avoided) by acting, so the word itself could not be declined in speaking. Yet it can be brought about, with the help of the grace of our Redeemer, that we may at least decline (avoid) the second death. For that is heavier and the worst of all evils, which comes not by the separation of soul and body but rather by the embrace of both in eternal punishment. There, on the contrary, men will not be before death and after death, but always in death; and therefore never living, never dead, but dying without end. For never will it be worse for man in death than where death itself will be without death.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Ps 6:5 (6:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The moment of death cannot be located, and even Latin cannot properly “decline” the verb to die; but by Christ's grace we can “decline” the second death, an endless dying.

  • Sir 11:28 and Ps 6:5 (LXX 6:6) quoted. The wordplay on declinare (to inflect a word; to avoid) is explained in brackets. The edition's square brackets around “carduus” mean the editor deletes it; it is left out.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (period misread for comma; stray mark; stray parenthesis): et dicamus (ante mortem → et dicamus ante mortem; locutione non posse. quonam → locutione non posse, quonam; mortuus est>, → mortuus est,.

Extrabiblical texts: Sir 11:28 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.11 (CSEL 40:627–630; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).

13.12CSEL 40:630–631

CAPUT XII. Quam mortem primis hominibus Deus, si mandatum eius transgrederentur, fuerit comminatus. Cum ergo requiritur, quam mortem Deus primis hominibus fuerit comminatus, si ab eo mandatum transgrederentur acceptum nec oboedientiam custodirent, utrum animae an corporis an totius hominis an illam quae appellatur secunda: respondendum est: Omnes. Prima enim constat ex duabus, [secunda] ex omnibus tota. Sicut enim uniuersa terra ex multis terris et uniuersa ecclesia ex multis constat ecclesiis: sic uniuersa mors ex omnibus. Quoniam prima constat ex duabus, una animae, altera corporis; ut sit prima totius hominis mors, cum anima sine Deo et sine corpore ad tempus poenas luit; secunda uero, ubi anima sine Deo cum corpore poenas aeternas luit. Quando ergo dixit Deus primo illi homini, quem in paradiso constituerat, de cibo uetito: Quacumque die ederitis ex illo, morte moriemini: non tantum primae mortis partem priorem, ubi anima priuatur Deo, nec tantum posteriorem, ubi corpus priuatur anima, nec solam ipsam totam primam, ubi anima et a Deo et a corpore separata punitur; sed quidquid mortis est usque ad nouissimam, quae secunda dicitur, qua est nulla posterior, comminatio illa conplexa est.

Chapter 12. What death God threatened to the first human beings if they transgressed his command.

When, then, it is asked what death God threatened to the first human beings if they transgressed the command they had received from him and did not keep obedience, whether that of the soul, or of the body, or of the whole man, or that which is called the second, the answer must be: all. For the first consists of two; the whole consists of all. For as the whole earth consists of many lands, and the whole church of many churches, so the whole of death consists of all deaths. For the first consists of two, one of the soul, the other of the body; so that the first is the death of the whole man, when the soul, without God and without the body, pays penalties for a time; but the second when the soul, without God but with the body, pays eternal penalties. When, therefore, God said to that first man, whom he had placed in paradise, about the forbidden food, “On whatever day you eat of it, you will die the death,” that threat embraced not only the former part of the first death, where the soul is deprived of God, nor only the latter, where the body is deprived of the soul, nor only the whole first death itself, where the soul, separated both from God and from the body, is punished; but whatever there is of death, up to the last, which is called the second, after which there is none.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Gen 2:17 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The death threatened to Adam included every kind: the soul's loss of God, the body's loss of the soul, and the eternal second death.

  • Gen 2:17 quoted in the Latin plural form (“you will die the death”). The edition's square brackets around “secunda” mean the editor deletes it (“the second consists of all”); the sentence is translated without it.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.12 (CSEL 40:630–631; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).

13.13CSEL 40:631–632

CAPUT XIII. Praeuaricatio primorum hominum quam primam senserit poenam. Nam postea quam praecepti facta transgressio est, confestim gratia deserente diuina de corporum suorum nuditate confusi sunt. Unde etiam foliis ficulneis, quae forte a perturbatis prima conperta sunt, pudenda texerunt; quae prius eadem membra erant, sed pudenda non erant. Senserunt ergo nouum motum inoboedientis carnis suae, tamquam reciprocam poenam inoboedientiae suae. Iam quippe anima libertate in peruersum propria delectata et Deo dedignata seruire pristino corporis seruitio destituebatur, et quia superiorem dominum suo arbitrio deseruerat, inferiorem famulum ad suum arbitrium non tenebat, nec omni modo habebat subditam carnem, sicut semper habere potuisset, si Deo subdita ipsa mansisset. Tunc ergo coepit caro concupiscere aduersus spiritum, cum qua controuersia nati sumus, trahentes originem mortis et in membris nostris uitiataque natura contentionem eius siue uictoriam de prima praeuaricatione gestantes.

Chapter 13. What was the first penalty that the transgression of the first human beings felt.

For after the transgression of the command had taken place, as soon as divine grace forsook them, they were confounded at the nakedness of their bodies. Hence they covered their shameful parts with fig leaves, which were perhaps the first found by them in their confusion; these were the same members before, but they were not shameful. They felt, then, a new motion of their disobedient flesh, as a punishment answering to their own disobedience. For now the soul, delighting in its own freedom to do perversely and disdaining to serve God, was stripped of the former service of the body; and because it had of its own will forsaken the higher Lord, it did not hold the lower servant to its own will, nor did it have the flesh subject in every way, as it could always have had it had it itself remained subject to God. Then, therefore, the flesh began to lust against the spirit, and with this conflict we are born, drawing the origin of death, and bearing in our members and vitiated nature its contest, or its victory, from the first transgression.

Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:23 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: The first penalty of sin was shame at the new, disobedient motion of the flesh: having deserted God, the soul lost its command over the body, and the flesh began to lust against the spirit.

  • Gen 3:7; Gal 5:17 (“the flesh lusts against the spirit”).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): inboedientiae → inoboedientiae.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.13 (CSEL 40:631–632; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).

13.14CSEL 40:632

CAPUT XIIII. Qualis homo sit factus a Deo et in quam sortem deciderit suae uoluntatis arbitrio. Deus enim creauit hominem rectum, naturarum auctor, non utique uitiorum; sed sponte deprauatus iusteque damnatus deprauatos damnatosque generauit. Omnes enim fuimus in illo uno, quando omnes fuimus ille unus, qui per feminam lapsus est in peccatum, quae de illo facta est ante peccatum. Nondum erat nobis singillatim creata et distributa forma, in qua singuli uiueremus; sed iam erat natura seminalis, ex qua propagaremur; qua scilicet propter peccatum uitiata et uinculo mortis obstricta iusteque damnata non alterius condicionis homo ex homine nasceretur. Ac per hoc a liberi arbitrii malo usu series calamitatis huius exorta est, quae humanum genus origine deprauata, uelut radice corrupta, usque ad secundae mortis exitium, quae non habet finem, solis eis exceptis qui per Dei gratiam liberantur, miseriarum conexione perducit.

Chapter 14. In what state man was made by God, and into what lot he fell by the choice of his own will.

For God, the author of natures, not of faults, created man upright; but he, depraved of his own accord and justly condemned, begot the depraved and condemned. For we were all in that one man, since we all were that one man who fell into sin through the woman, who was made from him before sin. The form in which each of us would live had not yet been created and distributed to us individually; but there already was the seminal nature from which we would be propagated; and when this was vitiated because of sin, bound by the chain of death, and justly condemned, man would not be born of man in any other condition. And so from the bad use of free will arose the series of this calamity, which leads the human race, depraved in its origin as from a corrupted root, by a chain of miseries to the destruction of the second death, which has no end, excepting only those who are freed by the grace of God.

Eccl 7:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:12 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: God made man upright, but Adam's free sin corrupted the seminal nature in which all were present, so that all are born depraved and bound for the second death unless freed by grace.

  • Eccl 7:29 (“God made man upright”); Rom 5:12 in view. Augustine's teaching that “we were all in that one man” is stated as he gives it.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.14 (CSEL 40:632; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).

13.15CSEL 40:632–633

CAPUT XV. Quod Adam peccaturus prius ipse reliquerit Deum, quam relinqueretur a Deo, et primam fuisse animae mortem a Deo recessisse. Quam ob rem etiamsi in eo quod dictum est: Morte moriemini, quoniam non est dictum: Mortibus, eam solam intellegamus, quae fit cum anima deseritur sua uita, quod illi Deus est (non enim deserta est ut desereret, sed ut desereretur deseruit; ad malum quippe eius prior est uoluntas eius; ad bonum uero eius prior est uoluntas Creatoris eius; siue ut eam faceret, quae nulla erat, siue ut reficiat, quia lapsa perierat), — etiamsi ergo hanc intellegamus Deum denuntiasse mortem in eo quod ait: Qua die ederitis ex illo, morte moriemini, tamquam diceret: Qua die me deserueritis per inoboedientiam, deseram uos per iustitiam: profecto in ea morte etiam ceterae denuntiatae sunt, quae procul dubio fuerant secuturae. Nam in eo, quod inoboediens motus in carne animae inoboedientis exortus est, propter quem pudenda texerunt, sensa est mors una, in qua deseruit animam Deus. Ea significata est uerbis eius, quando timore dementi sese abscondenti homini dixit: Adam, ubi es? non utique ignorando quaerens, sed increpando admonens, ut adtenderet ubi esset, in quo Deus non esset. Cum uero corpus anima ipsa deseruit aetate corruptum et senectute confectum, uenit in experimentum mors altera, de qua Deus peccatum adhuc puniens homini dixerat: Terra es et in terram ibis; ut ex his duabus mors illa prima, quae totius est hominis, conpleretur, quam secunda in ultimo sequitur, nisi homo per gratiam liberetur. Neque enim corpus, quod de terra est, rediret in terram nisi sua morte, quae illi accidit, cum deseritur sua uita, id est anima. Unde constat inter Christianos ueraciter catholicam tenentes fidem etiam ipsam nobis corporis mortem non lege naturae, qua nullam mortem homini Deus fecit, sed merito inflictam esse peccati, quoniam peccatum uindicans Deus dixit homini, in quo tunc omnes eramus: Terra es et in terram ibis.

Chapter 15. That Adam, when about to sin, first forsook God before he was forsaken by God, and that the first death of the soul was to depart from God.

Therefore, even if in the words, “You will die the death,” since it was not said “deaths,” we understand only that death which occurs when the soul is forsaken by its life, which God is to it (for it was not forsaken in order that it should forsake, but it forsook in order to be forsaken; for in its evil its own will comes first, but in its good the will of its Creator comes first, whether to make it when it did not exist, or to remake it because it had fallen and perished); even if, I say, we understand that God announced this death when he said, “On the day you eat of it, you will die the death,” as if he said, “On the day you forsake me by disobedience, I will forsake you by justice,” yet certainly in that death the others too were announced, which were beyond doubt to follow. For in that a disobedient motion arose in the flesh of the disobedient soul, because of which they covered their shameful parts, one death was felt, that in which God forsook the soul. This was signified by his words when he said to the man hiding himself in senseless fear: “Adam, where are you?” not asking out of ignorance, but reproving and admonishing him to consider where he was, in whom God was not. But when the soul itself forsook the body, worn out by age and exhausted by old age, the other death came into experience, of which God, still punishing sin, had said to man: “You are earth, and to earth you will go”; so that from these two that first death, which is of the whole man, might be completed, which the second follows at the last, unless man is freed by grace. For the body, which is from earth, would not return to earth except by its own death, which befalls it when it is forsaken by its life, that is, the soul. Hence it is agreed among Christians who truly hold the catholic faith that even the death of the body itself was inflicted on us not by a law of nature, by which God made no death for man, but as the desert of sin; since God, punishing sin, said to the man in whom we all then were: “You are earth, and to earth you will go.”

Gen 2:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 3:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 3:19 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Adam forsook God before God forsook him; the soul's death was felt at once in the disobedient flesh, and bodily death followed as the penalty of sin, not a law of nature.

  • Gen 2:17; 3:9; 3:19. “God made no death” echoes Wis 1:13.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (split word): Quam ob- rem → Quam ob rem.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:13 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.15 (CSEL 40:632–633; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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13.16CSEL 40:634–636

CAPUT XVI. De philosophis, qui animae separationem a corpore non putant esse poenalem, cum Plato inducat summum deum dis minoribus promittentem, quod numquam sint corporibus exuendi. Sed philosophi, contra quorum calumnias defendimus ciuitatem Dei, hoc est eius ecclesiam, sapienter sibi uidentur inridere, quod dicimus animae a corpore separationem inter poenas eius esse deputandam, quia uidelicet eius perfectam beatitudinem tunc illi fieri existimant, cum omni prorsus corpore exuta ad Deum simplex et sola et quodam modo nuda redierit. Ubi si nihil, quo ista refelleretur opinio, in eorum litteris inuenirem, operosius mihi disputandum esset, quo demonstrarem non corpus esse animae, sed corruptibile corpus onerosum. Unde illud est quod de scripturis nostris in superiore libro commemorauimus: Corpus enim corruptibile adgrauat animam. Addendo utique corruptibile non qualicumque corpore, sed quale factum est ex peccato consequente uindicta, animam perhibuit adgrauari. Quod etiamsi non addidisset, nihil aliud intellegere deberemus. Sed cum apertissime Plato deos a summo Deo factos habere inmortalia corpora praedicet eisque ipsum Deum, a quo facti sunt, inducat pro magno beneficio pollicentem, quod in aeternum cum suis corporibus permanebunt nec ab eis ulla morte soluentur: quid est quod isti ad exagitandam Christianam fidem fingunt se nescire quod sciunt, aut etiam sibi repugnantes aduersum se ipsos malunt dicere, dum nobis non desinant contradicere? Nempe Platonis haec uerba sunt, sicut ea Cicero in Latinum uertit, quibus inducit summum deum deos quos fecit adloquentem ac dicentem: Vos, qui deorum satu orti estis, adtendite: quorum operum ego parens effectorque sum, haec sunt indissolubilia me inuito, quamquam omne conligatum solui potest; sed haudquaquam bonum est ratione uinctum uelle dissoluere. Sed quoniam estis orti, inmortales uos quidem esse et indissolubiles non potestis; ne utiquam tamen dissoluemini, neque uos ulla mortis fata periment, nec erunt ualentiora quam consilium meum, quod maius est uinculum ad perpetuitatem uestram, quam illa quibus estis [tum, cum gignebamini,] conligati. Ecce deos Plato dicit et corporis animaeque conligatione mortales, et tamen inmortales dei a quo facti sunt uoluntate adque consilio. Si ergo animae poena est in qualicumque corpore conligari, quid est quod eos adloquens deus tamquam sollicitos, ne forte moriantur, id est dissoluantur a corpore, de sua facit inmortalitate securos; non propter eorum naturam, quae sit conpacta, non simplex, sed propter suam inuictissimam uoluntatem, qua potens est facere, ut nec orta occidant nec conexa soluantur, sed incorruptibiliter perseuerent? Et hoc quidem utrum Plato uerum de sideribus dicat, alia quaestio est. Neque enim ei continuo concedendum est globos istos luminum siue orbiculos luce corporea super terras seu die seu nocte fulgentes suis quibusdam propriis animis uiuere eisque intellectualibus et beatis, quod etiam de ipso uniuerso mundo, tamquam uno animali maximo, quo cuncta cetera continerentur animalia, instanter adfirmat. Sed haec, ut dixi, alia quaestio est, quam nunc discutiendam non suscepimus. Hoc tantum contra istos commemorandum putaui, qui se Platonicos uocari uel esse gloriantur, cuius superbia nominis erubescunt esse Christiani, ne commune illis cum uulgo uocabulum uilem faciat palliatorum tanto magis inflatam, quanto magis exiguam paucitatem; et quaerentes, quid in doctrina Christiana reprehendant, exagitant aeternitatem corporum, tamquam haec sint inter se contraria, ut et beatitudinem quaeramus animae et eam semper esse uelimus in corpore, uelut aerumnoso uinculo conligatam; cum eorum auctor et magister Plato donum a deo summo dis ab illo factis dicat esse concessum, ne aliquando moriantur, id est a corporibus, quibus eos conexuit, separentur.

Chapter 16. Of the philosophers who do not think that the separation of the soul from the body is penal, though Plato represents the supreme god as promising the lesser gods that they will never be stripped of their bodies.

But the philosophers, against whose slanders we are defending the city of God, that is, his church, think they wisely mock our saying that the separation of the soul from the body is to be counted among its penalties, since they think that its perfect happiness comes about when, stripped of every body whatever, it returns to God simple and alone and, as it were, naked. If I found nothing in their writings by which this opinion could be refuted, I would have to argue more laboriously to show that it is not the body as such but the corruptible body that is burdensome to the soul. Hence that saying from our Scriptures which we recalled in the preceding book: “For the corruptible body weighs down the soul.” By adding “corruptible,” he surely declared that the soul is weighed down not by any body whatever, but by such as it has become from sin, the punishment following. And even if he had not added it, we ought to understand nothing else.

But since Plato most plainly declares that the gods made by the supreme God have immortal bodies, and represents God himself, by whom they were made, promising them as a great benefit that they will remain forever with their bodies and will not be loosed from them by any death, why do these men, to harass the Christian faith, pretend not to know what they know, or even, contradicting themselves, prefer to speak against themselves, provided they do not cease to contradict us? These are certainly the words of Plato, as Cicero translated them into Latin, in which he represents the supreme god addressing the gods whom he made and saying: “You who are sprung from the seed of gods, attend: those works of which I am the parent and maker are indissoluble against my will, although everything that has been bound together can be loosed; but it is by no means good to wish to dissolve what has been joined by reason. But since you have been born, you cannot indeed be immortal and indissoluble; yet you will by no means be dissolved, nor will any fates of death destroy you, nor will they be stronger than my counsel, which is a greater bond for your perpetuity than those by which you were bound together.” See, Plato says that the gods are mortal by the binding together of body and soul, and yet immortal by the will and counsel of the god by whom they were made. If, then, it is a punishment for the soul to be bound in any body whatever, why does the god, addressing them as though anxious lest they should die, that is, be dissolved from the body, make them secure of their immortality, not because of their nature, which is compound, not simple, but because of his own most invincible will, by which he is able to bring it about that things born do not perish and things joined are not loosed, but endure incorruptibly?

Whether Plato says this truly of the stars is another question. For it is not to be granted him at once that those globes of lights, or little orbs shining with bodily light over the earth by day or by night, live by certain souls of their own, and these intellectual and happy, which he also insistently affirms of the whole world itself, as of one very great living being in which all other living beings are contained. But this, as I said, is another question, which we have not undertaken to discuss now. I thought only this should be mentioned against these men who glory in being called or being Platonists, through pride in which name they are ashamed to be Christians, lest a name shared with the common people should cheapen the cloaked few, who are the more puffed up the fewer they are; and who, seeking something to find fault with in Christian doctrine, attack the eternity of bodies, as if these things were contrary to one another, that we should both seek the soul's happiness and wish it always to be in the body, bound as it were by a wretched chain; whereas their author and master Plato says that it was granted as a gift by the supreme god to the gods made by him, that they should never die, that is, be separated from the bodies to which he joined them.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: The Platonists mock the Christian view that the soul's separation from the body is a punishment, yet Plato himself has the supreme god promise the lesser gods that they will never lose their bodies.

  • Wis 9:15 quoted (cf. 12.16). Plato, Timaeus 41a–b, quoted in Cicero's Latin translation (Cicero's Timaeus 40). The edition's square brackets around “tum, cum gignebamini” (“then, when you were begotten”) mean the editor deletes the words; they are left out. “The cloaked few”: philosophers wore the pallium.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray letter; stray parenthesis): exuendi. a Sed → exuendi. Sed; conligati). → conligati..

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 9:15 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Plato, Tim. 41a (Plato (works); quotation); Cicero (Cicero; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.16 (CSEL 40:634–636; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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13.17CSEL 40:636–639

CAPUT XVII. Contra eos, qui adserunt corpora terrena incorruptibilia fieri et aeterna non posse. Contendunt etiam isti terrestria corpora sempiterna esse non posse, cum ipsam uniuersam terram dei sui, non quidem summi, sed tamen magni, id est totius huius mundi, membrum in medio positum et sempiternum esse non dubitent. Cum ergo deus ille summus fecerit eis alterum quem putant deum, id est istum mundum, ceteris dis, qui infra eum sunt, praeferendum, eundemque esse existiment animantem, anima scilicet, sicut adserunt, rationali uel intellectuali in tam magna mole corporis eius inclusa, ipsiusque corporis tamquam membra locis suis posita adque digesta quattuor constituerit elementa, quorum iuncturam, ne umquam deus eorum tam magnus moriatur, insolubilem ac sempiternam uelint: quid causae est, ut in corpore maioris animantis tamquam medium membrum aeterna sit terra, et aliorum animantium terrestrium corpora, si Deus sicut illud uelit, aeterna esse non possint? Sed terrae, inquiunt, terra reddenda est, unde animalium terrestria sumta sunt corpora; ex quo fit, inquiunt, ut ea sit necesse dissolui et emori et eo modo terrae stabili ac sempiternae, unde fuerant sumta, restitui. Si quis hoc etiam de igne similiter adfirmet et dicat reddenda esse uniuerso igni corpora, quae inde sumta sunt, ut caelestia fierent animalia: nonne inmortalitas, quam talibus dis, uelut deo summo loquente, promisit Plato, tamquam uiolentia disputationis huius intercidet? An ibi propterea non fit, quia Deus non uult, cuius uoluntatem, ut ait Plato, nulla uis uincit? Quid ergo prohibet, ut hoc etiam de terrestribus corporibus Deus possit efficere, quandoquidem, ut nec ea quae orta sunt occidant nec ea quae sunt uincta soluantur nec ea quae sunt ex elementis sumta reddantur adque ut animae in corporibus constitutae nec umquam ea deserant et cum eis inmortalitate ac sempiterna beatitudine perfruantur, posse Deum facere confitetur Plato? Quur ergo non possit, ut nec terrestria moriantur? An Deus non est potens quo usque Christiani credunt, sed quo usque Platonici uolunt? Nimirum quippe consilium Dei et potestatem potuerunt philosophi, nec potuerunt nosse prophetae; cum potius e contrario Dei prophetas ad enuntiandam eius, quantum dignatus est, uoluntatem Spiritus eius docuerit, philosophos autem in ea cognoscenda coniectura humana deceperit. Verum non usque adeo decipi debuerunt, non solum ignorantia, uerum etiam peruicacia, ut et sibi apertissime refragentur magnis disputationum uiribus adserentes animae, ut beata esse possit, non terrenum tantum, sed omne corpus esse fugiendum, et deos rursus dicentes habere beatissimas animas et tamen aeternis corporibus inligatas, caelestes quidem igneis, Iouis autem ipsius animam, quem mundum istum uolunt, omnibus omnino corporeis elementis, quibus haec tota moles a terra in caelum surgit, inclusam. Hanc enim animam Plato ab intimo terrae medio, quod geometrae centron uocant, per omnes partes eius usque ad caeli summa et extrema diffundi et extendi per numeros musicos opinatur, ut sit iste mundus animal maximum beatissimum sempiternum, cuius anima et perfectam sapientiae felicitatem teneret et corpus proprium non relinqueret, cuiusque corpus et in aeternum ex illa uiueret et eam quamuis non simplex, sed tot corporibus tantisque conpactum hebetare adque tardare non posset. Cum igitur suspicionibus suis ista permittant, quur nolunt credere, diuina uoluntate adque potentia inmortalia corpora fieri posse terrena, in quibus animae nulla ab eis morte separatae, nullis eorum oneribus adgrauatae sempiterne ac feliciter uiuant, quod deos suos posse adserunt in corporibus igneis Iouemque ipsum eorum regem in omnibus corporeis elementis? Nam si animae, ut beata sit, corpus est omne fugiendum, fugiant di eorum de globis siderum, fugiat Iuppiter de caelo et terra; aut si non possunt, miseri iudicentur. Sed neutrum isti uolunt, qui neque a corporibus separationem audent dare dis suis, ne illos mortales colere uideantur, nec beatitudinis priuationem, ne infelices eos esse fateantur. Non ergo ad beatitudinem consequendam omnia fugienda sunt corpora; sed corruptibilia molesta, grauia moribunda; non qualia fecit primis hominibus bonitas Dei, sed qualia esse conpulit poena peccati.

Chapter 17. Against those who assert that earthly bodies cannot become incorruptible and eternal.

These men also contend that earthly bodies cannot be everlasting, although they do not doubt that the whole earth itself, placed in the middle as a member of their god, not the supreme one indeed but still a great one, that is, of this whole world, is everlasting. Since, then, that supreme god made for them another whom they think a god, namely this world, to be ranked above the other gods below him, and they think it a living being, with a soul, namely, as they assert, rational or intellectual, enclosed in so great a mass of its body; and since he set in their places and arranged as members of that body the four elements, whose joining they want to be indissoluble and everlasting, lest their god, so great, should ever die: what reason is there that in the body of the greater living being the earth, as its middle member, should be eternal, and the bodies of other earthly living beings could not be eternal if God willed it as he wills that? But earth, they say, must be returned to earth, from which the earthly bodies of animals were taken; and hence, they say, it happens that these must be dissolved and die and in this way be restored to the stable and everlasting earth from which they were taken. If someone asserts the same of fire and says that the bodies which were taken from it to become heavenly living beings must be returned to the universal fire, will not the immortality which Plato promised to such gods, as though the supreme god were speaking, perish by the violence, as it were, of this argument? Or does it not happen there because God does not will it, whose will, as Plato says, no force overcomes? What then prevents God from being able to bring this about in earthly bodies too, since Plato confesses that God can bring it about that things born do not perish, and things bound are not loosed, and things taken from the elements are not returned, and that souls placed in bodies never forsake them and enjoy with them immortality and everlasting happiness? Why, then, can he not bring it about that earthly things too do not die? Or is God not powerful as far as Christians believe, but only as far as Platonists wish? No doubt the philosophers could know the counsel and power of God, and the prophets could not! Whereas on the contrary his Spirit taught the prophets of God to declare his will, as far as he deigned, while human conjecture deceived the philosophers in coming to know it.

But they ought not to have been so far deceived, not only by ignorance but also by obstinacy, as to contradict themselves most openly, asserting with great force of argument that the soul, in order to be happy, must flee not only the earthly body but every body, and again saying that the gods have most happy souls and yet are bound to eternal bodies, the heavenly ones to fiery bodies, and the soul of Jupiter himself, whom they take to be this world, enclosed in all the bodily elements altogether, by which this whole mass rises from earth to heaven. For Plato thinks that this soul is spread from the innermost middle of the earth, which geometers call the center, through all its parts up to the highest and furthest reaches of heaven, and extended by musical numbers, so that this world is a living being, very great, most happy, and everlasting, whose soul both holds the perfect felicity of wisdom and does not leave its own body, and whose body both lives forever from it and, though not simple but compounded of so many and such great bodies, cannot dull and slow it. Since, then, they allow these things to their own conjectures, why will they not believe that by the divine will and power earthly bodies can be made immortal, in which souls, separated from them by no death, weighed down by no burdens of theirs, may live everlastingly and happily, as they assert their gods can in fiery bodies, and Jupiter himself, their king, in all the bodily elements? For if, for the soul to be happy, every body must be fled, let their gods flee from the globes of the stars, let Jupiter flee from heaven and earth; or if they cannot, let them be judged wretched. But these men want neither: they neither dare to grant their gods separation from bodies, lest they seem to worship mortals, nor deprivation of happiness, lest they confess them unhappy. It is not, then, all bodies that must be fled for the attainment of happiness, but corruptible, troublesome, heavy, dying ones; not such as the goodness of God made for the first human beings, but such as the penalty of sin compelled them to be.

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Summary: Platonists who hold the world-soul and the star-gods happy in eternal bodies cannot consistently deny that God can make human bodies immortal; only corruptible bodies, the result of sin, burden the soul.

  • Plato, Timaeus 34b–36e (the world-soul extended by musical ratios), 40a–d, 41a–b. Jupiter identified with the world-soul follows Varro (cf. Book 7). The ironic sentence about philosophers and prophets is rendered as irony, as the Latin requires.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (split word): in cor. ruptibilia → incorruptibilia.

Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 34b (Plato (works); allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.17 (CSEL 40:636–639; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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13.18CSEL 40:639–641

CAPUT XVIII. De terrenis corporibus, quae philosophi adfirmant in caelestibus esse non posse, quia, quod terrenum est, naturali pondere reuocetur ad terram. Sed necesse est, inquiunt, ut terrena corpora naturale pondus uel in terra teneat uel cogat ad terram et ideo in caelo esse non possint. Primi quidem illi homines in terra erant nemorosa adque fructuosa, quae paradisi nomen obtinuit; sed quia et ad hoc respondendum est uel propter Christi corpus cum quo ascendit in caelum uel propter sanctorum qualia in resurrectione futura sunt, intueantur paulo adtentius pondera ipsa terrena. Si enim ars humana efficit, ut ex metallis, quae in aquis posita continuo submerguntur, quibusdam modis uasa fabricata etiam natare possint: quanto credibilius et efficacius occultus aliquis modus operationis Dei, cuius omnipotentissima uoluntate Plato dicit nec orta interire nec conligata posse dissolui, cum multo mirabilius incorporea corporeis quam quaecumque corpora quibuscumque corporibus copulentur, potest molibus praestare terrenis, ut nullo in ima pondere deprimantur, ipsisque animis perfectissime beatis, ut quamuis terrena, tamen incorruptibilia iam corpora ubi uolunt ponant et quo uolunt agant, situ motuque facillimo! An uero si hoc angeli faciant et quaelibet animalia terrestria rapiant unde libet constituantque ubi libet, aut eos non posse aut onera sentire credendum est? Quur ergo sanctorum perfectos et beatos diuino munere spiritus sine ulla difficultate posse ferre quo uoluerint et sistere ubi uoluerint sua corpora non credamus? Nam cum terrenorum corporum, sicut onera in gestando sentire consueuimus, quanto maior est quantitas, tanto sit maior et grauitas, ita ut plura pondo quam pauciora plus premant: membra tamen suae carnis leuiora portat anima, cum in sanitate robusta sunt quam in languore cum macra sunt. Et cum aliis gestantibus onerosior sit saluus et ualidus quam exilis et morbidus, ipse tamen ad suum corpus mouendum adque portandum agilior est, cum in bona ualetudine plus habet molis, quam cum in peste uel fame minimum roboris. Tantum ualet in habendis etiam terrenis corporibus, quamuis adhuc corruptibilibus adque mortalibus, non quantitatis pondus, sed temperationis modus. Et quis uerbis explicat, quantum distet inter praesentem quam dicimus sanitatem et inmortalitatem futuram? Non itaque nostram fidem redarguunt philosophi de ponderibus corporum. Nolo enim quaerere, quur non credant terrenum esse posse corpus in caelo, cum terra uniuersa libretur in nihilo. Fortassis enim de ipso medio mundi loco, eo quod in eum coeant quaeque grauiora, etiam argumentatio ueri similior habeatur. Illud dico: Si di minores, quibus inter animalia terrestria cetera etiam hominem faciendum commisit Plato, potuerunt, sicut dicit, ab igne remouere urendi qualitatem, lucendi relinquere quae per oculos emicaret: itane Deo summo concedere dubitabimus, cuius ille uoluntati potestatique concessit, ne moriantur quae orta sint, et tam diuersa, tam dissimilia, id est corporea et incorporea, sibimet conexa nulla possint dissolutione seiungi, ut de carne hominis, cui donat inmortalitatem, corruptionem auferat, naturam relinquat, congruentiam figurae membrorumque detineat, detrahat ponderis tarditatem? Sed de fide resurrectionis mortuorum et de corporibus eorum inmortalibus diligentius, si Deus uoluerit, in fine huius operis disserendum est.

Chapter 18. Of earthly bodies, which the philosophers affirm cannot be in heavenly places, because what is earthly is drawn back to the earth by its natural weight.

But, they say, the natural weight of earthly bodies must either keep them on earth or force them to earth, and therefore they cannot be in heaven. The first human beings, indeed, were on an earth, wooded and fruitful, which received the name of paradise; but since this too must be answered, whether because of the body of Christ, with which he ascended into heaven, or because of those of the saints, such as they will be in the resurrection, let them look a little more attentively at these earthly weights. For if human art brings it about that from metals which sink at once when placed in water, vessels made in certain ways can even float, how much more credibly and effectively can some hidden mode of God's working, by whose most omnipotent will, Plato says, neither can things born perish nor things bound together be loosed (since incorporeal things are joined to corporeal far more wonderfully than any bodies to any bodies), grant to earthly masses that they be pressed down to the depths by no weight, and grant to the souls themselves, perfectly happy, that they place their bodies, though earthly yet now incorruptible, wherever they will and move them where they will, with the easiest position and motion! Or if angels do this, and snatch up any earthly animals from wherever they please and set them wherever they please, are we to believe either that they cannot, or that they feel burdened? Why then should we not believe that the spirits of the saints, made perfect and happy by divine gift, can without any difficulty carry their bodies where they will and set them where they will? For though with earthly bodies, as we are used to feeling loads when carrying them, the greater the quantity, the greater the weight, so that more pounds press more than fewer, yet the soul carries the members of its own flesh more lightly when they are robust in health than when they are thin in sickness. And though to others who carry him a healthy and strong man is heavier than a thin and sickly one, yet he himself is more agile in moving and carrying his own body when in good health he has more bulk than when in plague or famine he has very little strength. So much does it count, even in having earthly bodies, still corruptible and mortal, not the weight of quantity but the manner of balance. And who can express in words how great the distance is between what we call health at present and the immortality to come? The philosophers, then, do not refute our faith by the weights of bodies. For I do not wish to ask why they do not believe that an earthly body can be in heaven, when the whole earth is balanced on nothing. For perhaps from the very middle place of the world, since all heavier things converge on it, a more plausible argument could be made. This I say: if the lesser gods, to whom Plato entrusted the making of man among the other earthly living beings, were able, as he says, to remove from fire the quality of burning and leave that of shining, which would flash out through the eyes, shall we then hesitate to grant to the supreme God, to whose will and power Plato granted that things born should not die, and that things so diverse, so unlike, that is, bodily and incorporeal, joined to one another, could be separated by no dissolution, that from the flesh of man, to whom he gives immortality, he should take away corruption, leave its nature, keep the harmony of its shape and members, and remove the sluggishness of weight? But of the faith in the resurrection of the dead and of their immortal bodies we must speak more carefully, if God wills, at the end of this work.

Acts 1:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 26:7 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The weight of earthly bodies is no objection to their being in heaven: God can make them light and incorruptible, as even art makes metal float and Plato's gods kept fire's light without its heat.

  • Acts 1:9 (Christ's ascension). Job 26:7 (“the earth hangs on nothing”) echoed. Plato, Timaeus 45b (the fire of the eyes that shines but does not burn). The resurrection body is treated in Book 22.

Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 45b (Plato (works); allusion)

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Civ. 13.18 (CSEL 40:639–641; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-civitate-dei/13-10/#p-13-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Hoffmann's Latin text (CSEL 40, 1899–1900); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 2 translation (Dods, 1887).