To the Nations 2.7

Summary: The heroes and gods of myth were men, many of them wicked, and pagans cannot both honor the poets who tell of their crimes and deny those stories while basing rites on them.

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Latin text · Oehler 1:361–364

Ceterum ut ad mythicum transeamus, quod poëtis deputatur, nescio an tantum par quaerere mediocritati nostrae, an tanti de documentis divinitatis confirmentur, ut Mopsus Africanus et Boeotus Amphiaraus. Delibanda enim nunc est species ista, cuius suo loco ratio reddetur. Interim hos certe homines fuisse vel eo palam est, quod non constanter deos illos, sed heroas appellatis. Quid ergo contendimus? Si addicenda mortuis divinitas erat, non utique talibus. Ecce vos, cum eadem licentia praesumptionis sepulchris regum vestrorum caelum infamatis, nonne probatos quosque iustitia, virtute, pietate et omni bono eiusmodi consecrationis solatio honestatis, contenti pro talibus etiam inrideri peierantes, at e contrario impios, turpes etiam pristinis humanae gloriae praemiis aufertis, decreta eorum et titulos lancinatis, imagines detrahitis, monetam repercutitis? Ille autem conspector omnium, comprobator, immo largitor bonorum, tantae indulgentiae suae ordinationem vulgo prostituet, et plus diligentiae atque iustitiae hominibus licebit in distribuendis divinitatibus sapere? Mundiores erunt regum et principum comites quam summi dei? Atquin horretis et aversamini vagos, exules, pauperes, debiles, sordide natos, inhoneste institutos, contra incestos, adulteros, raptores, parricidas etiam legibus exornatis. Ridendum an irascendum sit, tales deos credi quales homines esse non debeant? Sedenim in isto mythice genere, quod poetae ferunt, quam incerti agitis circa conscientiae pudorem et pudoris defensionem! Nam quotiens misera vel turpia vel atrocia deorum exprobramus, allegatione poëticae licentiae ut fabulosa defenditis, quotiens ultro siletur de eiusmodi poëtica, non modo non horretis, sed insuper honoratis utque in necessariis artibus habetis, denique per hanc initiatricem litteraturae ingenuitatis studia producitis. Criminatores deorum poëtas eliminari Plato censuit, ipsum Homerum sane coronatum civitate pellendum. At cum recipiatis illos et retineatis, cur non credatis talia retexentibus de deis vestris? Igitur si creditis poëtis, cur tales deos colitis? Si ideo colitis quia non creditis poëtis, cur laudem mendacibus fertis nec cavetis ne offendatis eos quorum detractatores honoratis? Sane fides a poëtis non exigenda. Nonne, qui dicitis deos post mortem factos, homines confitemini ante mortem? Quid ergo novi, si, qui homines fuerint, humanis aut casibus aut criminibus aut fabulis polluuntur? Non creditis poëtis, cum de relationibus etiam sacra quaedam disposueritis? Cur rapitur sacerdos Cereris, si non tale Ceres passa est? Cur Saturno alieni liberi immolantur, si ille suis pepercit? Cur Idaeae masculus amputatur, si nullus illi fastidiosior adulescens libidinis frustratae dolore castratus est? Cur Herculeum polluctum mulieres Lanuvinae non gustant, si non mulierum causa pracivit? Mentiuntur sane poetae! sed non ideo quod talia gesserint vestri dei, homines quando fuerint, nec quod divinas adscripserint foeditates divinitatis, cum interim vobis credibilius visum est deos fuisse, sed non tales, quam tales, sed non deos.

English · Claude translation

But to pass on to the mythical kind, which is assigned to the poets: I do not know whether it befits our small capacity to inquire so far, or whether such figures as Mopsus the African and Amphiaraus the Boeotian are confirmed by any evidences of divinity. For this class must now be only touched on; an account of it will be given in its own place. Meanwhile it is plain that these were certainly men, if only from this, that you do not consistently call them gods but heroes. What, then, do we contend? If divinity was to be assigned to the dead, surely not to such as these. See: when with the same license of presumption you disgrace heaven with the tombs of your kings, do you not honor those approved for justice, virtue, piety, and every good with the consolation of such a consecration, content even to be laughed at as perjurers on their behalf; and on the contrary, do you not strip the impious and base even of the former rewards of human glory, tear up their decrees and titles, pull down their images, and restrike their coinage? And will that beholder of all things, the approver, nay the bestower, of good things, prostitute to the crowd the ordinance of his great indulgence, and will men be permitted to show more diligence and justice in distributing divinities? Will the companions of kings and emperors be cleaner than those of the supreme God? And yet you shudder at and turn away from vagrants, exiles, the poor, the weak, the low-born, and the dishonorably reared, while the incestuous, adulterers, ravishers, and parricides you even honor with laws. Should one laugh or be angry that such beings are believed gods as men ought not to be? But in this mythical kind, which the poets bring forward, how uncertainly you handle the shame of your conscience and the defense of that shame! For whenever we reproach the gods with wretched or shameful or atrocious deeds, you defend them as fables by pleading poetic license; whenever nothing is said against such poetry, you not only do not shudder at it, but even honor it and count it among the necessary arts; in fact, through it, as the initiator into letters, you bring forth the studies of liberal education. Plato judged that the poets, as slanderers of the gods, should be banished, and that Homer himself, though crowned, should be driven from the city. But since you receive and retain them, why do you not believe them when they tell such things of your gods? If, then, you believe the poets, why do you worship such gods? If you worship them because you do not believe the poets, why do you give praise to liars, and why are you not careful not to offend those whose detractors you honor? Certainly truth is not to be demanded of the poets. But do you not, who say that the gods were made gods after death, confess that they were men before death? What is new, then, if those who were men are defiled by human mishaps, or crimes, or fables? Do you not believe the poets, when you have even arranged certain rites according to their accounts? Why is the priestess of Ceres carried off, if Ceres suffered no such thing? Why are other people's children sacrificed to Saturn, if he spared his own? Why is a male castrated for the Idaean mother, if no disdainful youth was castrated for her in the pain of frustrated lust? Why do the women of Lanuvium not taste the sacrifice to Hercules, if he did not take precautions on account of women? The poets lie, to be sure! But not in saying that your gods did such things when they were men, nor in ascribing foulness to those they called divine; and meanwhile it seemed more credible to you that they were gods, but not such, than that they were such, but not gods.

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Source
Oehler 1:361–364 · Franz Oehler, ed., Quinti Septimii Florentis Tertulliani quae supersunt omnia, vol. 1 (Leipzig: T. O. Weigel, 1853), 305–395 · Latin text: Franz Oehler (Oehler 1), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library (canonical-latinLit), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Oehler 1. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Oehler 1; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 3 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Resp. 398a (Plato (works)) · allusion, high confidence

Notes

Translation notes

  • Plato's banishment of the poets, with Homer crowned and sent away, is Republic 398a. In the clause contra incestos … etiam legibus exornatis (“you even honor with laws”) the incestuous, adulterers, and parricides are the gods of myth, whose cults are established by law. The reading pracivit (the Lanuvian rite of Hercules) is uncertain; it is rendered “take precautions” (praecavit).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread ending in the digital text; misread letter in the digital text): e contrarie impios → e contrario impios; circu conscientiae → circa conscientiae; Herculcum → Herculeum.

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Tertullian, Nat. 2.7 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/tertullian-nationes/2/7/).

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Tertullian, Nat. 2.7 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/tertullian-nationes/2/7/).

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