Against Hermogenes
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Chapter 1
1CSEL 47:126–127
Solemus haereticis compendii gratia de posteritate praescribere. in quantum enim ueritatis regula prior, quae etiam haeresis futuras renuntiauit, in tantum posteriores quaeque doctrinae haeresis praeiudicabuntur, [qua est] quae futurae ueritatis antiquiore regula praenuntiabantur. Hermogenis autem doctrina tam nouella est, *** denique ad hodiernum homo in saeculo, et natura quoque haereticus, etiam turbulentus, qui loquacitatem facundiam existimet et impudentiam constantiam deputet et maledicere singulis officium bonae conscientiae iudicet. praeterea pingit <in)licite, nubit adsidue, legem dei in libidinem defendit, in artem contemnit, bis falsarius, et cauterio et stilo, totus adulter, et praedicationis et carnis. si quid et nominum contagio foetet: nec ipse apostolicus Hermogenes in regula perseuerauit. sed uiderit persona, cum doctrina mihi quaestio est. [Christum] deum non alium uidetur agnoscere: alium tamen facit quem aliter agnoscit. immo totum, quod est deus, aufert, nolens illum ex nihilo uniuersa fecisse. a Christianis enim ad philosophos conuersus, de ecclesia in academiam et porticum, inde sumpsit [a Stoicis] materiam cum deo ponere, quae et ipsa semper fuerit, neque nata neque facta nec initium habens omnino nec finem, ex qua deus omnia postea fecerit.
Against heretics we are accustomed, for the sake of brevity, to lodge the plea of lateness. For in so far as the rule of truth comes first, which also foretold that there would be heresies, to that extent all later doctrines will be prejudged as heresies, since they were foretold by the more ancient rule of truth as things to come. Now the doctrine of Hermogenes is so new … in short, a man living in the world to this day, and a heretic by nature too, and turbulent as well, who takes talkativeness for eloquence, reckons shamelessness as constancy, and judges it the duty of a good conscience to abuse everyone. Besides, he paints what is unlawful, he marries continually; he defends the law of God in the interest of lust, and despises it in the interest of his art; a forger twice over, with the brush and with the pen; an adulterer through and through, both of preaching and of the flesh. If the contagion of names also stinks at all, not even the apostolic Hermogenes persevered in the rule. But let his person look to itself, since my question is with his doctrine. He seems to acknowledge no other God, yet he makes him other in the way he acknowledges him; indeed, he takes away everything that God is, by refusing to have him make all things out of nothing. For having turned from the Christians to the philosophers, from the church to the Academy and the Porch, he took from there the idea of setting matter alongside God: matter which itself always existed, neither born nor made, having no beginning at all nor end, and out of which God afterwards made all things.
Chapter 2
2CSEL 47:127–128
Hanc primam umbram, plane sine lumine, pessimis pictor ille argumentationibus colorauit, praestruens aut deum de semetipso fecisse cuncta aut de nihilo aut de aliquo, ut. cum ostenderit neque ex semetipso fecisse potuisse neque ex nihilo, quod superest exinde confirmet, ex aliquo eum fecisse atque ita aliquid illud materiam fuisse. negat illum ex semetipso facere potuisse, quia partes ipsius fuissent quaecumque ex semetipso fecisset deus; porro in partes non deuenire, ut indiuisibilem et indemutabilem et eundem semper, qua deum. ceterum si de semetipso fecisset, aliquid ipsius fuisse. [aliquid] omne autem, et quod fieret et quod faceret, imperfectum habendum, quia ex parte fieret et ex parte faceret. aut si totus totum fecisset, oportuisse illum simul et [totum] esse et non esse, quia oporteret et [totum] esse, ut faceret semetipsum, et [totum] non esse, ut fieret de semetipso. (id) porro difficillimum. si enim esset, non fieret, esset enim; si uero non esset, non faceret, quia nihil esset. eum autem, qui semper sit, non fieri sed esse illum in aeuum aeuorum. igitur non de semetipso fecisse illum, qui non eius fuerit condicionis, ut de semetipso facere potuisset. proinde ex nihilo non potuisse eum facere sic contendit, bonum et optimum definiens deum, qui bona atque optima tam uelit facere quam sit; immo nihil non bonum atque optimum et uelle eum et facere. igitur omnia ab eo bona et optima oportuisse fieri secundum condicionem ipsius. inueniri autem et mala ab eo facta, utique non ex arbitrio nec ex uoluntate; quia si ex arbitrio et uoluntate, [nihil] incongruens et indignum sibi faceret. quod ergo non arbitrio suo fecerit, intellegi oportere ex uitio alicuius rei factum, ex materiae sine dubio.
This first shadow, plainly without light, that painter coloured with the worst of arguments. He lays down in advance that God made all things either out of himself, or out of nothing, or out of something, so that, when he has shown that he could have made them neither out of himself nor out of nothing, he may then establish what remains, that he made them out of something, and so that this something was matter. He denies that he could have made them out of himself, because whatever God had made out of himself would have been parts of himself; but he does not come apart into parts, being indivisible and unchangeable and always the same, as God. Otherwise, if he had made them out of himself, they would have been something of himself. But everything, both what was being made and what was making, would have to be considered imperfect, since in part it would be made and in part it would make. Or if he, being whole, had made the whole, he would have had both to be and not to be at the same time, since he would have had to be, in order to make himself, and not to be, in order to be made out of himself. And that is most difficult. For if he were, he would not be made, for he would already be; but if he were not, he would not make, because he would be nothing. But he who always is is not made, but is for ages of ages. Therefore he did not make them out of himself, since he was not of such a condition that he could make out of himself.
Next, he argues that he could not have made them out of nothing in this way: he defines God as good and best, who wills to make things good and best just as he himself is; indeed, that he both wills and makes nothing that is not good and best. Therefore all things ought to have been made by him good and best, according to his own condition. Yet evil things too are found to have been made by him, certainly not by his choice or will; for if by his choice and will, he would be doing something unfitting and unworthy of himself. What, then, he did not make by his own choice must be understood to have been made from the fault of some thing: from matter, without doubt.
Chapter 3
3CSEL 47:128–130
Adicit et aliud: deum semper deum (semper) etiam dominum fuisse, numquam non dominum. nullo porro modo potuisse illum semper dominum haberi, sicut et semper deum, si non fuisset aliquid retro semper, cuius semper dominus haberetur. fuisse itaque materiam semper (cum) deo domino. hanc coniecturam eius iam hinc destruere properabo, quatenus propter non intellegentes adiecisse duxit, ut sciat cetera quoque argumenta (tam) intellegi quam reuinci. dei nomen dicimus semper fuisse apud ipsum et in ipso, domini uero non semper. diuersa enim utriusque condicio. scilicet deus substantiae ipsius nomen, id est diuinitatis, dominus uero non substantiae, sed potestatis. substantia semper fuit cum suo nomine, quod est deus; postea domini, accedentis scilicet rei, mentio. nam ex quo esse coeperunt, in quae potestas domini ageret, ex illo per accessionem potestatis et factus et dictus est dominus, quia et pater deus est et iudex deus est, non tamen ideo pater et iudex semper, quia deus semper. nam nec pater potuit esse ante filium nec iudex ante delictum. fuit autem tempus, cum et delictum et filius non fuit, quod iudicem et qui patrem deum faceret. sic et dominus (deus) non ante ea, quorum dominus existeret, sed deus tantum, futurus quandoque, sicut pater per filium, sicut iudex per delictum, ita et dominus per ea, quae sibi seruitura fecisset. argutari tibi uideor, Hermogenes? nauiter scriptura nobis patrocinatur, quae utrumque nomen ei distinxit et suo tempore ostendit. nam deus quidem, quod erat semper, statim nominat: in principio fecit deus caelum et terram, ac deinceps, quamdiu faciebat quorum dominus futurus erat, deus solummodo ponit: et dixit deus, et fecit deus, et uidit deus, et nusquam adhuc dominus. at ubi uniuersa perfecit ipsumque uel maxime hominem, qui proprie deum et intellecturus erat dominum et iam cognominaturus, tunc etiam domini nomen adiunxit: et cepit deus dominus hominem, quem finxit, et praecepit deus dominus Adae. exinde dominus qui retro deus tantum, ex quo habuit cuius esset. nam deus sibi erat, rebus autem [tunc deus cum et] dominus. igitur in quantum putabit ideo materiam semper fuisse, quia dominus semper esset, in tantum constabit nihil fuisse, quia constat dominum non semper fuisse. adiciam et ego propter non intellegentes, quorum Hermogenes extrema linea est, et quidem ex penu etiam ipsius retorquebo aduersus illum. cum enim neget materiam natam aut factam, sic quoque inuenio domini nomen deo non competisse in materiam. qua libera fuerit necesse est quae originem non habendo non habuit auctorem, quod erat nemini debens ideoque nemini seruiens. itaque ex quo deus potestatem suam exercuit in eam, faciendo ex materia, ex illo materia dominum deum passa demonstrat hoc illum tamdiu non fuisse, quamdiu t fuit hoc.
He adds another point too: that God, always God, was also always Lord, never not Lord. But he could by no means have been held to be always Lord, as he is always God, unless there had always been something formerly of which he was always held to be Lord. So matter always existed with God the Lord. This conjecture of his I shall hasten to destroy at once, since he thought fit to add it for the sake of those who do not understand, so that he may know that his other arguments too are as much understood as they are refuted. We say that the name of God always existed with him and in him, but not that of Lord. For the condition of each is different. God, of course, is the name of the substance itself, that is, of the divinity; but Lord is the name not of the substance but of power. The substance always existed with its own name, which is God; the mention of Lord came afterwards, as of something added. For from the time when those things began to exist over which the power of a lord might act, from then, by the addition of power, he both became and was called Lord. For God is also Father, and God is also Judge; yet he is not therefore always Father and Judge because he is always God. For he could not be Father before the Son, nor Judge before sin. But there was a time when there was neither sin nor Son, the one to make God a Judge and the other a Father. So too he was not Lord God before those things of which he was to be Lord, but only God, to become Lord at some time: as Father through the Son, as Judge through sin, so also Lord through the things he had made to serve him.
Do I seem to you to be quibbling, Hermogenes? Scripture diligently supports us, which has distinguished both names for him and shown each at its own time. For God, which he always was, it names at once: “In the beginning God made heaven and earth”; and afterwards, as long as he was making the things of which he was to be Lord, it sets down only God: “And God said,” and “God made,” and “God saw,” and nowhere as yet Lord. But when he had completed all things, and above all man himself, who was properly to understand God and now also to call him Lord, then it added the name of Lord too: “And the Lord God took the man whom he had formed,” and “The Lord God commanded Adam.” From then on he is Lord who formerly was only God, since he had something whose Lord he might be. For he was God to himself, but to things Lord.
Therefore, in so far as he thinks that matter always existed because he was always Lord, to that extent it will be established that nothing existed, because it is established that he was not always Lord. I too shall add something for the sake of those who do not understand, of whom Hermogenes is the extreme limit, and indeed I shall turn it back against him out of his own store. For since he denies that matter was born or made, I find that in this way too the name of Lord did not belong to God with respect to matter. For matter must have been free, since by having no origin it had no author; what it was, it owed to no one, and so it was subject to no one. So, from the time when God exercised his power over it by making things out of matter, from then matter, having undergone God as Lord, shows that he was not this as long as it was … this.
Chapter 4
4CSEL 47:130–131
Hinc denique incipiam de materia retractare, quod eam deo comparet, proinde non natam, proinde non factam, proinde [aeternam] sine initio, sine fine propositam. quis enim alius dei census quam aeternitas? quis alius aeternitatis status quam semper fuisse et futurum esse ex praerogatiua nullius initii et nullius finis? hoc si dei est proprium, solius dei erit, cuius est proprium, [sed] quia si et alii adscribatur, iam non erit dei proprium, sed commune cum eo, cui et adscribitur. nam etsi sunt qui dicuntur dii siue in caelo siue in terra nomine, ceterum nobis unus deus pater, ex quo omnia; quo magis apud nos solius dei esse debeat quod dei proprium est; et ut dixi, iam non proprium esset, quia alterius esset. quod si deus est, unicum sit necesse est, ut unius sit. aut quid erit unicum et singulare, nisi cui nihil adaequabitur? quid principale, nisi quod super omnia, nisi quod ante omnia et ei quo omnia? haec deus [solus] habendo. est, et solus habendo, unus est. si et alius habuerit, tot iam erunt dii, quot habuerint quae dei sunt. ita Hermogenes duos deos infert, (dum) materiam parem deo infert. deum autem unum esse oportet. quia quod summum sit deus est; summum autem non erit nisi quod unicum fuerit; unicum autem esse non poterit cui aliquid adaequabitur; adaequabitur autem deo materia, cum aeterna censetur.] -
From here, then, I shall begin to deal with matter, because he makes it equal to God, as likewise unborn, likewise unmade, likewise put forward as without beginning and without end. For what other endowment does God have than eternity? What other state belongs to eternity than always to have been and to be going to be, by the prerogative of no beginning and no end? If this is proper to God, it will belong to God alone, to whom it is proper, since if it is ascribed to another too, it will no longer be proper to God but common to him and to the one to whom it is also ascribed. “For though there are those who are called gods by name, whether in heaven or on earth, yet for us there is one God the Father, from whom are all things”; so much the more, among us, ought what is proper to God to belong to God alone; and, as I said, it would no longer be proper, since it would belong to another. But if he is God, he must be unique, so as to belong to one. Or what will be unique and singular, if not that to which nothing will be made equal? What will be supreme, if not what is above all things, before all things, and that from which all things come? By having these God is God, and by having them alone he is one. If another too has them, there will then be as many gods as there are beings that have the things of God. So Hermogenes brings in two gods, while he brings in matter as equal to God. But God must be one; because what is highest is God; but nothing will be highest unless it is unique; and nothing can be unique if anything is made equal to it; and matter is made equal to God when it is reckoned eternal.
Chapter 5
5CSEL 47:131–132
Sed deus deus est, et materia materia est. quasi diuersitas nominum comparationi resistat, si status idem uindicetur. sit et natura diuersa, sit et forma non eadem, dummodo ipsius status una sit ratio. innatus deus: an non innata et materia? semper deus: an non semper et materia? ambo sine initio, ambo sine fine, ambo etiam auctores uniuersitatis, tam qui fecit quam de qua fecit. neque enim potest non et materia auctrix omnium deputari, de qua uniuersitas consistit. quomodo respondebit? non statim materiam comparari deo, si quid dei habeat, quia non totum habendo non concurrat in plenitudinem comparationis? qui deo reliquit amplius, ut non totum dei materiae dedisse uideatur? uel qua, inquit, et sic habente materia salua sit deo et auctoritas et substantia, qua solus et primus et auctor et dominus omnium censeatur. ueritas autem sic unum deum exigit defendendo, ut solius sit quicquid ipsius est. ita enim ipsius erit, si fuerit solius, (quia) et ex hoc alius deus non possit admitti, dum nemini licet habere de deo aliquid. ergo, inquis, nec nos habemus dei aliquid? immo habemus et habebimus, sed ab ipso, non a nobis. nam et dei erimus, si meruerimus illi esse, de quibus praedicauit: ego dixi, uos dii estis, et stetit deus in ecclesia deorum; sed ex gratia ipsius, non ex nostra proprietate, quia ipse est solus, qui deos faciat. materiae autem proprium facit quod cum deo habet. aut si a deo accepit quod est dei, ordinem dico aeternitatis, potest et credi et habere illam cum deo aliquid et deum illam non esse? quale est autem, cum confitetur ille (illam) aliquid cum deo habere et uult solius dei esse quod materiam non negat habere?
“But God is God, and matter is matter.” As if a difference of names resisted comparison, if the same state is claimed! Let their nature be different, let their form not be the same, provided that the principle of their state is one. God is unborn: is not matter unborn too? God always exists: does not matter always exist too? Both without beginning, both without end, both also authors of the universe, he who made it as much as she out of whom he made it. For matter cannot fail to be reckoned the author of all things too, since the universe consists of it. How will he answer? That matter is not at once compared to God if it has something of God, because, not having the whole, it does not come up to the fullness of comparison? What more did he leave to God, so that he might not seem to have given the whole of God to matter? “Because,” he says, “even when matter has this, both the authority and the substance remain safe to God, by which he alone is reckoned both first and author and Lord of all.”
But the truth, in defending one God, requires that whatever is his belong to him alone. For it will be his only if it belongs to him alone, since from this also another god cannot be admitted, so long as no one is allowed to have anything of God. “Then,” you say, “do we not have anything of God either?” Yes, we have and we shall have, but from him, not from ourselves. For we shall even be gods, if we are found worthy to be those of whom he declared: “I said, You are gods,” and “God stood in the assembly of the gods”; but from his grace, not from any property of our own, because he alone is the one who makes gods. But he makes what matter has in common with God to be matter's own property. Or if it received from God what is God's, I mean the rank of eternity, can it both be believed to have something in common with God and yet not be God? And what sort of thing is it when he confesses that it has something in common with God, and yet wants that which he does not deny matter has to belong to God alone?
Chapter 6
6CSEL 47:132–133
Dicit saluum deo esse, ut et solus sit et primus et omnium auctor et omnium dominus et nemini comparandus: per quae haec est, materiae quoque adscribit. ille quidem deus contestabitur deos et iurabit nonnumquam per semetipsum, quod alius non sit qualis ipse, sed mendacem eum faciet Hermogenes. erit enim et materia qualis deus, infecta, innata, initium non habens nec finem. dicet deus: ego primus, sed quomodo primus, cuius materia coaetanea est? inter coaetaneos enim et contemporales ordo. non est. aut et materia prima est. extendi inquit, caelum solus. atquin non solus; cum ea enim extendit, de qua et extendit. cum proponit saluo dei statu fuisse materiam, uide ne reddatur a nobis proinde saluo statu materiae fuisse deum. communis tamen status amborum. saluum ergo erit et materiae, ut et ipsa (sola) fuerit, sed cum deo, quia et deus solus, sed cum illa, et ipsa prima cum deo, quia et deus primus cum illa, sed et ipsa incomparabilis cum deo, quia et deus incomparabilis cum illa, et auctrix cum deo et domina cum deo. sic aliquid et non totum materiae habere ** ita illi nihil reliquit Hermogenes, quod non et materiae contulisset, ut non materia deo, sed deus potius materiae comparetur. atque adeo cum ea, (quae) propria dei uindicamus: semper fuisse, sine initio sine fine, et primum fuisse, et solum, et omnium auctorem, materiae quoque competant, quaero, quid diuersum et alienum a deo ac per hoc priuatum materia possederit, per quod deo non compararetur? in qua (si) omnia dei propria recensentur, satis praeiudicant de reliqua comparatione.
He says it remains safe to God that he is both alone and first and author of all and Lord of all and comparable to no one; yet the very things by which this is so he ascribes to matter too. God indeed will call the gods to witness, and will sometimes swear by himself, that there is no other such as he; but Hermogenes will make him a liar. For matter too will be such as God: unmade, unborn, having neither beginning nor end. God will say, “I am the first”; but how first, when matter is of the same age? For among those of the same age and the same time there is no order; or else matter too is first. “I alone,” he says, “stretched out the heaven.” Yet not alone; for he stretched it out with that out of which he also stretched it. When he proposes that matter existed without harm to God's state, see that we do not reply to him in the same way that God existed without harm to the state of matter. Yet the state of both is common. It will therefore be safe to matter too that it also was alone, but with God, since God too is alone, but with it; and that it too is first with God, since God too is first with it; and that it too is incomparable with God, since God too is incomparable with it; and author with God and mistress with God. So to have something and not the whole … so Hermogenes left God nothing that he did not also confer on matter, so that it is not matter that is compared to God, but rather God to matter. And so, since those things which we claim as proper to God (always to have existed, without beginning, without end, and to have been first, and alone, and author of all) belong to matter as well, I ask what matter possessed that is different and foreign to God, and therefore peculiarly its own, by which it would not be compared to God? When all the things proper to God are counted up in it, they sufficiently prejudge the rest of the comparison.
Chapter 7
7CSEL 47:133–134
Si minorem et inferiorem materiam deo et idcirco diuersam ab eo et idcirco incomparabilem illi contendit, ut maiori, ut superiori, praescribo non capere ullam diminutionem et humiliationem quod sit aeternum et innatum, quia hoc et deum faciat tantum quantus est, nullo minorem neque subiectiorem, immo omnibus maiorem et sublimiorem. sicut enim cetera, quae nascuntur aut fiunt et idcirco aeterna non sunt, semel opposita fini, qua et initio, admittunt ea, quae deus non capit, diminutionem dico interim et subiectionem, quia nata et facta sunt, ita et deus ideo ea non capit, quia nec natus omnino nec factus est. et materiae autem status talis est. igitur ex duobus aeternis, ut innatis, ut infectis, deo atque materia, ob eandem rationem communis status ex aequo habentibus id, quod neque diminui nec subici admittit, id est aeternitatem, neutrum dicimus altero esse minorem siue maiorem, neutrum altero humiliorem siue superiorem, sed stare ambo ex pari magna, ex pari sublimia, ex pari solidae et perfectae felicitatis, quae censetur aeternitas. neque enim proximi erimus opinionis nationum, quae, si quando coguntur deum confiteri, tamen et alios infra illum uolunt. diuinitas autem gradum non habet, utpote unica. quae si et in materia erit, ut proinde innata et infecta et aeterna, aderit (tota) utrobique, quia minor se nusquam poterit esse. quomodo ergo discernere audebit Hermogenes atque ita subicere deo materiam, aeternam aeterno, innatam innato, auctricem auctori, dicere habentem: et ego prima, et ego ante omnia, et ego a qua omnia; pares fuimus, simul fuimus, ambo sine initio, sine fine, ambo sine auctore, sine domino. quis me deo subicit contemporali coaetaneo? si quia deus dicitur, habeo et ego meum nomen. aut ego sum deus aut ille materia, quia ambo sumus quod alter est. nostrum?
If he contends that matter is lesser and inferior to God, and therefore different from him, and therefore not comparable to him as to one greater and higher, I plead in reply that what is eternal and unborn admits no diminution or abasement, because it is this that makes God as great as he is, less than no one and more subject to no one, indeed greater and higher than all. For just as other things, which are born or made and therefore are not eternal, being once exposed to an end as they are to a beginning, admit what God does not admit, I mean for now diminution and subjection, because they were born and made, so God does not admit these things for the very reason that he was neither born nor made at all. And such is the state of matter too. Therefore, of two eternal beings, unborn and unmade, God and matter, since for the same reason of a common state they have equally that which admits neither diminution nor subjection, namely eternity, we say that neither is less or greater than the other, neither lower or higher than the other, but that both stand equally great, equally exalted, equally possessed of that solid and perfect happiness which is reckoned eternity. For we shall not come close to the opinion of the heathen, who, if ever they are forced to confess God, still want others below him. But divinity has no degrees, since it is unique. And if it is in matter too, as being likewise unborn and unmade and eternal, it will be present whole in both, because nowhere can it be less than itself. How then will Hermogenes dare to distinguish them and so subject matter to God, the eternal to the eternal, the unborn to the unborn, the author to the author, when matter says: “I too am first, I too am before all things, I too am the one from whom all things come. We were equal, we were together, both without beginning, without end, both without author, without lord. Who subjects me to God, who is of my time and my age? If it is because he is called God, I too have my own name. Either I am God or he is matter, because we both are what either of us is.”
Chapter 8
8CSEL 47:134–135
. Putans itaque materiam deo non comparasse. quam scilicet subiciat illi, atquin etiam praeponit illam deo et deum potius subicit materiae, cum uult eum de materia cuncta fecisse. si enim ex illa usus est ad opera mundi, iam et materia superior inuenitur, quae illi copiam operandi subministrauit, et deus subiectus materiae uidetur, cuius substantiae eguit. nemo enim non eget eo, de cuius utitur; nemo non subicitur ei, de cuius eget ut possit uti; sic et nemo de alieno utendo non minor est eo, de cuius utitur, et nemo, qui praestat de suo uti, non in hoc superior est eo, cui, praestat uti. itaque materia ipsa quidem deo non eguit, sed eguisse (se) deo praestitit, diuite et locuplete et liberali minori, opinor, et inualido et minus idoneo de nihilo facere quae uelit. grande reuera beneficium deo contulit, ut haberet hodie per quem deus cognosceretur et omnipotens uocaretur, nisi quod iam non omnipotens, si non et hoc potens, ex nihilo omnia proferre. sane et sibi praestitit aliquid materia, ut et ipsa cum deo possit agnosci coaequalis deo, immo et adiutrix, nisi quod solus eam Hermogenes cognouit et haereticorum patriarchae, philosophi. prophetas enim et apostolos usque adhuc latuit, puto et Christum.
So he thinks he has not made matter equal to God, since, of course, he subjects it to him; yet he even puts it above God and rather subjects God to matter, when he holds that God made all things out of matter. For if he drew on it for the works of the world, then matter is found to be superior, since it supplied him with the means of working, and God is seen to be subject to matter, whose substance he needed. For everyone needs that which he draws on; everyone is subject to that which he needs in order to be able to use it; so too no one who uses what belongs to another is not less than the one whose property he uses, and no one who grants the use of his own is not, in this, superior to the one to whom he grants the use. So matter itself did not need God, but it lent itself to God, who needed it: rich and wealthy and generous to one lesser, I suppose, and weak and less able to make out of nothing what he wished. A great benefit indeed it conferred on God, that he should have today something through which God might be known and called almighty; except that he is no longer almighty if he is not able to do this too, to bring forth all things out of nothing. Matter certainly also secured something for itself, that it too might be recognized with God as God's equal, indeed as his helper; except that only Hermogenes has recognized it, and the patriarchs of the heretics, the philosophers. For it has remained hidden from the prophets and the apostles until now, and, I think, from Christ too.
Chapter 9
9CSEL 47:135–136
Non potest dicere deum ut dominum materia usum ad opera mundi; dominus enim non potuit esse substantiae coaequalis. sed precario forsitan usus est, et adeo precario, non dominio, ut, cum eam malam nosset, de mala tamen sustinuerit uti, scilicet ex necessitate mediocritatis suae, qua non ualebat ex nihilo t uti, non ex potestate, quoniam si habuisset omnino ut dominus in materiam, quam malam norat, ante eam in bonum conuertisset, ut dominus et bonus, ut ita de bono, non de malo uteretur. sed quia bonus quidem, dominus autem non, ideo qualem habuit tali usus necessitatem suam ostendit cedentem condicioni materiae, quam si dominus fuisset. emendasset. sic enim Hermogeni respondendum est, cum ex dominio defendit deum materia usum, et de re non sua, scilicet non facta ab ipso. iam ergo malum ab ipso, qui est mali, si non auctor, quia non effector, certe permissor, quia dominator. si uero materia non est ipsius, qua malum dei non erit, de alieno ergo usus aut precario usus est, qua egens eius, aut et iniuria, qua praeualens eius. his enim tribus modis aliena sumuntur: iure beneficio impetu, id est dominio precario ui. dominio non suppetente eligat Hermogenes, quid deo congruat, precario an ui de materia cuncta fecisse. non ergo melius censuisset deus nihil omnino faciendum quam precario aut ui faciendum, et quidem de malo? nonne etiam si materia optima fuisset, aeque indecorum sibi existimasset de alieno, licet bono, t factae satis itaque gloriae suae causa molitus est mundum, ut debitorem se alienae substantiae ostenderet, et quidem non bonae.
He cannot say that God used matter as its lord for the works of the world, for he could not be lord of a substance coequal with himself. But perhaps he used it on sufferance, and so on sufferance and not by lordship that, although he knew it was evil, he nevertheless put up with using what was evil, evidently from the necessity of his own limitation, since he was not able … from nothing; using it, then, not out of power, since if he had had any lordship at all over matter, which he knew to be evil, he would first have converted it into good, as its lord and as good, so as to use what was good and not what was evil. But because he was good but not lord, he used such matter as he had, and so showed his necessity yielding to the condition of matter, which he would have corrected if he had been its lord. For this is how Hermogenes must be answered when he maintains that God used matter by right of lordship, and yet over a thing not his own, that is, not made by him. So evil now comes from him who, if not its author, since he did not make it, is certainly its permitter, since he is its master. But if matter is not his, since then the evil will not be God's, he used what belonged to another: either on sufferance, as needing it, or even by wrong, as overpowering it. For in these three ways the things of another are taken: by right, by kindness, by assault; that is, by lordship, by sufferance, by force. Since lordship is not available, let Hermogenes choose which befits God: to have made all things from matter on sufferance or by force. Would God not have judged it better that nothing at all be made than that it be made on sufferance or by force, and out of evil at that? Even if matter had been the best, would he not equally have thought it unbecoming to himself to make from what was another's, however good? … Was it for his own glory, then, that he built the world, to show himself a debtor to another's substance, and that not a good one?
Chapter 10
10CSEL 47:136–137
Ergo, inquit, ex nihilo faceret, ut mala quoque arbitrio eius imputarentur? magna, bona fide, caecitas haereticorum pro huiusmodi argumentatione, cum ideo aut alium deum bonum et optimum uolunt credi, quia mali auctorem existiment creatorem, aut materiam cum creatore proponunt, ut malum a materia, non a creatore deducant, quando nullus omnino deus liberetur ista quaestione, ut non auctor mali uideri proinde possit quisquis ille est, qui malum, etsi non ipse fecit. tamen a quocumque et undeunde passus est fieri. audiat igitur et Hermogenes, dum alibi de mali ratione distinguemus, interim quoque se nihil egisse hac sua iniectione. ecce enim, etsi non auctor, sed adsentator mali inuenitur deus, qui malum materiae tanto sustinuit aeone ante mundi constitutionem, quam ut bonus et mali aemulus emendasse debuerat. aut enim potuit emendare, sed noluit, aut noluit quidem. uerum non potuit. infirmus deus, *«* si potuit et noluit, malus et ipse, quia malo fauit, et sic iam habetur (auctor) eius, quod licet non instituerit, quia tamen, si noluisset illud esse, non esset, ipse iam fecit esse, quod non noluit esse. quod quidem turpius: si id uoluit esse, quod ipse noluit fecisse, aduersum semetipsum egit, cum et uoluit esse quod noluit fecisse et noluit fecisse quod uoluit esse. quasi bonum uoluit esse et quasi malum noluit fecisse. quod non faciendo malum iudicauit, id sustinendo bonum pronuntiauit. malum pro bono sustinendo et non potius eradicando adsertor eius inuentus est, male, si per uoluntatem, turpiter, si per necessitatem. aut famulus erit mali deus aut amicus, cum materiae malo conuersatus, nedum etiam de malo eius operatus.
“Then,” he says, “should he have made them from nothing, so that the evils too would be charged to his will?” Great indeed, in good faith, is the blindness of the heretics in arguing this way. For either they want another god, good and most good, to be believed in because they think the Creator the author of evil, or they set matter beside the Creator in order to derive evil from matter and not from the Creator; yet no god at all is freed by this from the question, so as not to seem just as much the author of evil, whoever he is who, even if he did not make evil himself, still allowed it to be made by someone and from somewhere. Let Hermogenes hear, then, while we treat the account of evil elsewhere, that meanwhile he has gained nothing by this objection of his. For see: God is found, if not the author, then the approver of evil, since he endured the evil of matter through so long an age before the world was established, when, being good and the rival of evil, he ought to have corrected it. For either he could correct it but would not, or he would but could not. God is weak … If he could and would not, he too is evil, because he favoured evil; and so he is now held to be its (author), for although he did not institute it, still, since it would not exist had he been unwilling for it to exist, he himself has made to exist what he was not unwilling should exist. This is even more shameful: if he willed that to exist which he was unwilling to have made, he acted against himself, since he both willed to exist what he was unwilling to have made and was unwilling to have made what he willed to exist. As though it were good, he willed it to exist; as though it were evil, he was unwilling to have made it. What by not making it he judged evil, by enduring it he pronounced good. By enduring evil as if it were good, rather than rooting it out, he is found to be its champion: wickedly, if by will; shamefully, if by necessity. God will be either the servant of evil or its friend, having kept company with the evil of matter, not to mention having worked from its evil.
Chapter 11
11CSEL 47:137–138
Et tamen unde nobis persuadet Hermogenes malam esse materiam? non enim poterit non malum dicere cui malum adscribit. nam definiuimus diminutionem et subiectionem capere non posse quod sit aeternum, ut alii coaeterno inferius deputetur. ita et nunc nec malum dicimus competere illi, quia nec ex hoc subici possit, quod nullo modo potest subici, quia aeternum est. sed cum alias summum bonum constet esse quod sit aeternum, - ut deus, per quod solus est deus, [dum] aeternus est, ita et bonus, dum deus, — quomodo materiae inerit malum, quam ut aeternam summum bonum credi necesse est? aut si quod aeternum est poterit et mali capax esse. poterit hoc et in deo credi, et sine causa gestiuit malum a deo transferre, si competit et aeterno, competendo materiae. iam uero si quod aeternum est malum potest credi, inuincibile et insuperabile erit malum, ut aeternum. et tamen — nos frustra laboramus de auferendo malo ex nobis ipsis? tum et deus frustra hoc mandat et praecipit; immo et iudicium frustra constituit deus, iniustitia utique puniturus quibus contra malum **« finis, cum praeses eius, diabolus, abierit in ignem, quem praeparauit illi deus et angelis eius, prius in puteum abyssi relegatus, cum reuelatio filiorum dei redemerit conditionem a malo, utique uanitati subiectam, cum restituta innocentia et integritate conditionis pecora condixerint bestiis et paruuli de serpentibus luserint, cum pater filio posuerit inimicos sub pedes, utique operarios mali. itaque si finis malo competit, necesse est competierit (et) initium. erit ** materia habens initium, habendo et finem mali. quae enim. malo deputantur, secundum mali statum computantur (materiae.)
And yet how does Hermogenes persuade us that matter is evil? For he cannot avoid calling evil that to which he ascribes evil. Now we have defined that what is eternal cannot admit diminution and subjection, so as to be counted inferior to another co-eternal being. So now too we say that evil does not befit it either, since for the same reason it cannot be made subject, for what is eternal can in no way be made subject. But since it is otherwise agreed that what is eternal is the highest good (as God, by that very thing by which he alone is God, is eternal, so he is also good, being God), how will evil be in matter, which, being eternal, must be believed to be the highest good? Or if what is eternal can also be capable of evil, this could be believed of God too, and Hermogenes has been eager without cause to shift evil away from God, if it befits even what is eternal by befitting matter. Now if what is eternal can be believed evil, evil will be invincible and insuperable, as being eternal. And then, do we labour in vain to remove evil from ourselves? Then God too commands and prescribes this in vain; indeed God has appointed judgement in vain, meaning to punish with injustice those whom … the end, when its ruler, the devil, has gone away into the fire which God prepared for him and his angels, having first been banished into the pit of the abyss; when the revealing of the sons of God has redeemed creation from evil, creation which was subjected to futility; when, the innocence and wholeness of creation restored, cattle have made peace with wild beasts and little children have played with serpents; when the Father has put the Son's enemies under his feet, that is, the workers of evil. So if an end befits evil, a beginning must (also) have befitted it. Matter will be … having a beginning, by having an end of its evil. For whatever is counted to evil is reckoned according to the condition of evil (and so of matter).
Chapter 12
12CSEL 47:138–140
Age nunc malam ac pessimam credamus esse materiam, utique natura, sicut deum bonum et optimum credimus, proinde natura. porro naturam certam et fixam haberi oportebit, tam in malo perseuerantem apud materiam quam et in bono apud deum, inconuertibilem et indemutabilem scilicet, quia, si demutabitur natura in materia de malo in bonum, demutari poterit et in deo de bono in malum. hoc loco dicet aliquis: ergo de lapidibus filii Abrahae non suscitabuntur, et genimina uiperarum non facient paenitentiae fructum, et filii irae non fient filii pacis, si natura mutabilis non erit? temere ad ista exempla respicies, o homo. non enim competunt ad causam materiae, quae innata est, ea quae nata sunt, lapides et uiperae et homines; horum enim natura habendo institutionem habere poterit et cessationem. materiam uero tene semel aeternam determinatam, ut infectam, ut innatam, et ideo indemutabilis et incorrectibilis naturae credendam, ex ipsius etiam sententia Hermogenis, quam opponit, cum deum negat ex semetipso facere potuisse, quia non demutetur quod sit aeternum. amissurum scilicet quod fuerat, dum fiat ex demutatione quod non erat, sic non esse aeternum. deum ergo aeternum aliud esse non posse quam quod est semper. hanc et ego definitionem merito in illum repercutiam. materiam aeque reprehendo, cum ex illa mala, pessima etiam, bona atque optima a deo fiunt: et uidit deus quia bona, et benedixit ea deus, utique qua optima, non certe qua mala ac pessima. demutationem igitur admisit materia, et si ita est, statum aeternitatis amisit; mortua est denique sua forma. sed aeternitas amitti non potest, quia nisi amitti non possit, aeternitas non est. ergo nec demutationem potuit admisisse, quia si aeternitas est, demutari nullo modo potest;
Come now, let us believe matter to be evil, indeed the worst, and that by nature, just as we believe God to be good, indeed the best, likewise by nature. Then nature will have to be held certain and fixed, as persevering in evil in matter as in good in God, unchangeable, that is, and unalterable; because if nature in matter can be changed from evil to good, in God too it could be changed from good to evil. At this point someone will say: “Then will sons of Abraham not be raised up from stones, and will the brood of vipers not bear the fruit of repentance, and will the sons of wrath not become sons of peace, if nature is not changeable?” You look to these examples rashly, O man. Things that were born, stones and vipers and human beings, do not bear on the case of matter, which is unborn; for their nature, by having a beginning, can also have a cessation. But hold matter to be once for all defined as eternal, as unmade, as unborn, and therefore to be believed of an unchangeable and uncorrectable nature, even by the verdict of Hermogenes himself, which he puts forward when he denies that God could have made things from himself, since what is eternal is not changed: it would, he says, lose what it had been while becoming by change what it was not, and so would not be eternal; therefore God, being eternal, cannot be anything other than what he always is. This definition I in turn will rightly throw back at him. I reproach matter in the same way, since from it, evil and even worst as it is, good and even best things are made by God: “And God saw that they were good, and God blessed them,” as best, certainly, not as evil and worst. So matter admitted change, and if so, it lost the state of eternity; in short, its own form has died. But eternity cannot be lost, because unless it cannot be lost it is not eternity. Therefore matter cannot have admitted change either, because if it is eternity it can in no way be changed;
Chapter 13
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et quaeretur, quando ex ea bona facta sint, quae ex demutatione nullo modo facta sunt, unde in mala ac pessima boni atque optimi semen. certe nec bona arbor fructus malos edit, quia nec deus nisi bonus, nec mala arbor bonos, quia nec materia est (nisi) pessima. aut si dabimus illi aliquid etiam boni germinis, iam non erit uniformis naturae, id est malae in totum et tantum, sed duplex, id est malae et bonae naturae, et quaeretur iterum, an in (eadem) bono et malo potuerit conuenire, luci et tenebris, dulci et amaro.. aut si potuit utriusque diuersitas, boni et mali, concurrisse et duplex natura fuisse materiae, amborum ferax fructuum, iam nec bona ipsa deo deputabuntur, ut nec mala illi imputentur, sed utraque species de materiae proprietate sumpta ad materiam pertinebit. quo pacto neque gratiam bonorum deo debebimus nec inuidiam malorum, quia nihil de suo operatus ingenio. per quod probabitur manifeste materiae deseruisse.
and it will be asked how good things were made from it, when they were in no way made by change: whence came the seed of good and best into what is evil and worst? Certainly a good tree does not bear bad fruit, since there is no God who is not good, nor a bad tree good fruit, since matter too is nothing (but) the worst. Or if we grant it some seed of good as well, its nature will no longer be uniform, that is, evil wholly and only, but double, that is, of an evil and a good nature; and it will be asked again whether good and evil, light and darkness, sweet and bitter, could come together in (the same thing). Or if the opposites, good and evil, could meet, and the nature of matter was double, bearing the fruits of both, then neither will the good things themselves be credited to God, just as the evil things are not charged to him; both kinds, being taken from the property of matter, will belong to matter. On these terms we shall owe God neither thanks for good things nor blame for evil, since he worked nothing from his own ability. And by this it will be plainly proved that he was a servant to matter.
Chapter 14
14CSEL 47:140–141
Nam et si dicatur, licet ex occasione materiae, suo tamen arbitrio bona protulisse, quasi nactus bonum materiae, quamquam et hoc turpe sit, certe cum ex eadem etiam mala profert, uel haec utique non de suo arbitrio proferendo seruit materiae, aliud non habens facere quam ex malo proferre. inuitus utique. qua bonus, (et) ex necessitate, ut inuitus, et ex seruitute, ut ex necessitate. quid ergo dignius, ex necessitate eum condidisse mala an ex uoluntate? siquidem ex necessitate condidit, si ex materia, ex uoluntate, si ex nihilo. iam enim sine causa laboras, ne malorum auctor constituatur deus, quia et si de materia fecit, ipsi deputabuntur qui fecit, quatenus proinde fecit, acsi de nihilo fecisset, nec interest unde fecerit. plane sic interest, unde fecerit, ut inde fecerit, unde eum magis decuit. magis autem eum decuit ex uoluntate fecisse quam ex necessitate, id est ex nihilo potius quam ex materia. dignius est deum etiam malorum auctorem liberum credere quam seruum. quaecumque potestas ei quam pusillitas competit. sic et, si condicemus materiam quidem nihil boni habuisse, deum uero, si quid boni edidit, sua uirtute edidisse, aliae aeque aborientur quaestiones. primo, si bonum in materia omnino non fuit, non ex materia bonum factum, quod materia scilicet non habuit. dehinc, si non ex materia, iam ergo ex deo factum. si nec ex deo, iam ergo ex nihilo factum. hoc enim superest secundum Hermogenis dispositionem.
For even if it is said that, although he took the occasion from matter, he brought forth good things by his own will, as if he had found the good in matter (though even this would be shameful), certainly when he brings forth evil things from the same matter, in these at least he serves matter by not bringing them forth of his own will, having no other course than to bring forth from evil: unwillingly, surely, since he is good; (and) from necessity, as being unwilling; and from servitude, as acting from necessity. Which then is worthier, that he created evil things from necessity or from will? For he created from necessity if from matter, from will if from nothing. You now labour without cause to keep God from being made the author of evils; for even if he made them from matter they will be charged to him who made them, inasmuch as he made them just as though he had made them from nothing, and it makes no difference from what he made them. Rather, it does make a difference from what he made them, in this sense: that he made them from that source which most befitted him. And it befitted him more to have made from will than from necessity, that is, from nothing rather than from matter. It is worthier to believe God free, even as the author of evils, than a slave. Power of any kind befits him rather than pettiness. So too, if we agree that matter indeed had nothing good, but that God, if he produced anything good, produced it by his own power, other questions will arise just the same. First, if there was no good at all in matter, the good was not made from matter, since matter evidently did not have it. Next, if not from matter, then it was made from God. If not from God either, then it was made from nothing. For this is what remains according to Hermogenes' arrangement.
Chapter 15
15CSEL 47:141–143
porro si bonum neque ex materia factum est, quia non erat in illa, ut in mala, neque ex deo, quia nihil potuit ex deo fieri, sicut definit Hermogenes, inuenitur bonum iam ex nihilo factum, ut ex nullo factum, ut neque ex materia neque ex deo. et si bonum ex nihilo, cur non et malum? immo cur non omnia ex nihilo, si aliquid ex nihilo? nisi si insufficiens fuit diuina uirtus omnibus producendis, quae aliquid protulerit ex nihilo. aut si ex materia mala bonum processit, quia neque ex nihilo neque ex deo, sequetur, ut ex conuersione processerit materiae contra denegatam aeterni conuersionem. ita undeunde bonum constitit, iam negabit Hermogenes inde illud constare potuisse. necesse est autem ex aliquo eorum processerit, ex quibus negauit procedere potuisse. ceterum si ideo malum non ex nihilo, ne dei fiat, de cuius arbitrio uidebitur factum, sed ex materia, ut ipsius sit, de cuius substantia erit factum, et hic. ut dixi, auctor mali habebitur deus, qui, cum eadem uirtute et uoluntate debuisset omnia bona ex materia protulisse aut tantum bona, non omnia tamen bona protulit sed etiam mala, utique aut uolens esse mala, si poterat efficere, ne essent. aut non ualens efficere omnia bona, si uoluit et non fecit, ** n dum nihil intersit per infirmitatem dominus auctor mali extiterit an per uoluntatem. aut quae fuit ratio, ut cum bona fecisset quasi bonus, etiam mala protulisset quasi non bonus? cur non congruentia sibi solummodo edidit? quid necesse erat suo opere prolato etiam materiae negotium curare proinde et malum proferendo? solus ut cognosceretur bonus de bono, materia autem ne cognosceretur mala de malo? plus bonum floruisset sine mali afflatu. nam et Hermogenes expugnat quorundam argumentationes, dicentium mala necessaria fuisse ad inluminationem bonorum ei contrariis intellegendorum. ergo aut nec propterea locus mali proferendi fuit, aut si qua alia ratio exegit illud induci, cur non et ex nihilo potuerit induci, ipsa ratione excusatura dominum, ne mali auctor existimaretur, quae nunc, cum de materia operatur mala, excusat, si excusat? adeo ubique et undique illuc compellitur quaestio, quo nolunt qui ipsam mali rationem non examinando nec dinoscendo, quomodo illud aut deo tribuant aut a deo separent, pluribus et indignioribus destructionibus deum obiciunt.
Further, if the good was made neither from matter, since it was not in matter, evil as matter is, nor from God, since nothing could be made from God, as Hermogenes defines, then the good is found to have been made from nothing, as made from no source, neither from matter nor from God. And if the good came from nothing, why not the evil too? Indeed, why not all things from nothing, if anything from nothing? Unless the divine power was insufficient to produce all things, although it produced something from nothing. Or if the good came forth from evil matter, since not from nothing nor from God, it will follow that it came from a conversion of matter, contrary to the denial that what is eternal can be converted. So wherever the good came from, Hermogenes will deny that it could have come from there; and yet it must have come from one of the sources from which he denied it could come. Further, if evil did not come from nothing, lest it become God's, by whose will it would then seem to have been made, but from matter, so that it may be matter's, from whose substance it will have been made, here too, as I said, God will be held the author of evil. For with the same power and will he ought to have produced all things good from matter, or only good things; yet he did not produce all things good, but evil things too: either because he willed evils to exist, if he was able to prevent their existing, or because he was unable to make all things good, if he willed it and did not do it … since it makes no difference whether the Lord became the author of evil through weakness or through will. Or what reason was there that, having made good things as being good, he should also have produced evil things as though not good? Why did he not issue only what befitted himself? What need was there, after producing his own work, to attend to matter's business too, by producing evil as well? So that he alone might be known as good from the good, but matter might not be known as evil from the evil? The good would have flourished more without the breath of evil upon it. For Hermogenes too attacks the arguments of some who say that evils were necessary to shed light on good things, which are understood from their opposites. Therefore either there was no reason for producing evil on that account, or, if some other reason required it to be brought in, why could it not also have been brought in from nothing, that same reason excusing the Lord from being thought the author of evil which now, when he works evil things from matter, excuses him, if it does excuse him? So everywhere and from every side the question is driven to the point where these men do not want it to go, who, by not examining and not distinguishing the very account of evil, how they are to ascribe it to God or to separate it from God, expose God to more and more unworthy demolitions.
Chapter 16
16CSEL 47:143–144
Igitur in praestructione huius articuli, et alibi forsitan retractandi, equidem definio aut deo adscribendum et bonum et malum, quae ex materia fecit, aut materiae ipsi, ex qua fecit, aut utrumque utrique, quia ambo sibi obligantur, qui fecit et de qua fecit, aut alterum alteri; tertius enim praeter materiam et deum non est. porro si dei erit utrumque, uidebitur deus etiam mali auctor; deus autem, ut bonus, auctor mali non erit: si materiae utrumque, uidebitur materia etiam boni matrix; mala autem in totum materia boni non erit matrix: si utriusque erit utrumque, in hoc quoque comparabitur deo materia et pares erunt ambo, ex aequo mali ac boni adfines; aequari autem deo materia non debet, ne duos deos efficiat: si alterum alterius, utique dei bonum et materiae malum, neque malum deo neque materiae bonum adscribetur; et bona autem et mala deus de materia faciendo cum ea facit. haec si ita sunt, nescio, qua possit euadere sententia Hermogenes, qui deum, quoquo modo de materia malum condidit, siue uoluntate, siue necessitate, siue ratione, non putet mali auctorem. porro si mali auctor est ipse qui fecit, plane socia materia per substantiae suggestum, exclusa iam causa materiae introducendae. nihilominus enim et per materiam deus auctor mali ostenditur, si ideo materia praesumpta est, ne deus mali auctor uideretur. exclusa itaque materia, dum excluditur causa eius. superest, uti deum omnia ex nihilo fecisse constet. uidebimus an et mala, cum apparuerit quae mala, et an mala interim ea, quae putas. dignius enim de suo arbitrio produxit, haec quoque producendo de nihilo, quam de praeiudicio alieno, si de materia produxisset. libertas, non necessitas, deo competit. malo, uoluerit mala a semetipso condidisse quam non potuerit non condidisse.
Therefore, laying down this head in advance (it may perhaps be treated again elsewhere), I define that either both the good and the evil which he made from matter must be ascribed to God; or both to matter itself, from which he made them; or both to both, since both are bound up with them, he who made and that from which he made; or one to each; for there is no third besides matter and God. Now if both are God's, God will seem to be the author of evil too; but God, being good, will not be the author of evil. If both are matter's, matter will seem to be the mother even of good; but matter, being wholly evil, will not be the mother of good. If both belong to both, in this too matter will be compared with God and the two will be equal, alike akin to evil and to good; but matter must not be made equal to God, lest it make two gods. If one belongs to each, namely the good to God and the evil to matter, then neither will evil be ascribed to God nor good to matter; and yet God, in making both good and evil from matter, makes them together with it. If these things are so, I do not know by what judgement Hermogenes can escape, who does not think God the author of evil in whatever way he created evil from matter, whether by will, by necessity, or by reason. Further, if he who made it is himself the author of evil, matter being plainly his partner by supplying the substance, then the reason for introducing matter is already excluded. For God is shown to be the author of evil through matter none the less, even though matter was assumed precisely so that God might not seem to be the author of evil. Matter, then, is excluded, since the reason for it is excluded. It remains that God is agreed to have made all things from nothing. We shall see whether he made evil things too, when it has become clear which things are evil, and whether meanwhile the things you think evil are so. For he produced more worthily from his own will, producing even these from nothing, than from another's prior condition, had he produced them from matter. Freedom, not necessity, befits God. I would rather he had willed to create evils of his own accord than that he had been unable not to create them.
Chapter 17
17CSEL 47:144
Unici dei status hanc regulam uindicat, non aliter unici, nisi quia solius. non aliter solius, nisi quia nihil cum illo. sic et primus erit, quia omnia post illum: sic omnia post illum, quia omnia ab illo: sic ab illo, quia ex nihilo, ut illi quoque scripturae ratio constet: quis cognouit sensum domini? aut quis illi consiliarius fuit? aut quem consultatus est? aut uiam intellegentiae et scientiae quis demonstrauit illi? quis tradidit et retribuetur ei? nemo utique; quia nulla uis, nulla materia, nulla natura substantiae alterius aderat illi. porro si de aliqua operatus est, necesse est, ab ea ipsa acceperit et consilium et tractatum dispositionis, ut uiam intellegentiae et scientiae. pro qualitate enim rei operari habuit et secundum ingenium materiae, non secundum suum arbitrium, adeo ut et mala pro natura non sua sed substantiae fecerit.
The condition of the one God claims this rule: he is not one otherwise than by being alone, and not alone otherwise than by there being nothing with him. So he will also be first, because all things are after him; all things are after him, because all things are from him; they are from him, because from nothing; so that the account of that Scripture too may stand: “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counsellor? Or whom did he consult? Or who showed him the way of understanding and knowledge? Who has given to him, and shall be repaid?” No one, surely; because no power, no matter, no nature of another substance was present with him. Further, if he worked from some matter, he must have received from it both counsel and the plan of his arrangement, as the way of understanding and knowledge. For he would have had to work according to the quality of the thing and according to the bent of the matter, not according to his own will, so that even the evil things he made would be according to the nature, not of himself, but of the substance.
Chapter 18
18CSEL 47:144–146
Si necessaria est deo materia ad opera mundi, ut Hermogenes existimauit, habuit deus materiam longe digniorem et idoniorem, non apud philosophos aestimandam, sed apud prophetas intellegendam, sophiam suam scilicet. haec denique sola cognouit sensum domini. quis enim scit quae sunt dei et quae in ipso, nisi spiritus, qui in ipso? sophia autem spiritus. haec illi consiliarius fuit, uia intellegentiae et scientiae ipsa est; ex hac fecit, faciendo per illam et faciendo cum illa. cum pararet caelum, inquit, aderam illi, et cum fortia faciebat super uentos quae sursum nubila et quomodo firmos ponebat fontes eius quae sub caelo est, ego eram compingens cum ipso. ego eram, ad quem gaudebat; cotidie autem oblectabar in persona eius, quando oblectabatur, cum perfecisset orbem, et inoblectabatur in filiis hominum. quis non hanc potius omnium fontem et originem commendet, materiam uere materiarum, non situ subditam, non statu diuersam, non motu inquietam, non habitu informem, sed insitam et propriam et compositam et decoram, quali deus potuit eguisse, sui magis quam alieni egens? denique ut necessariam sensit ad opera mundi, statim eam condit et generat in semetipso: dominus, inquit, condidit me initium uiarum suarum in opera sua: ante saecula fundauit me, priusquam faceret terram, priusquam montes collocarentur; ante omnes autem colles generauit me, prior autem abysso genita sum. agnoscat ergo Hermogenes idcirco etiam sophiam dei natam et conditam praedicari, ne quid innatum et inconditum praeter solum deum crederemus. si enim (quod) intra dominum, quod ex ipso et in ipso fuit, sine initio non fuit, sophia scilicet eius, exinde nata et condita, ex quo in sensu dei ad opera mundi disponenda coepit agitari, multo magis non capit sine initio quicquam fuisse, quod extra dominum fuerit. si uero sophia eadem dei sermo est, t sensu sophia et sine quo factum est nihil, sicut et dispositum sine sophia, quale est, ut filio dei, sermone unigenito et primogenito, aliquid fuerit praeter patrem antiquius et hoc modo utique generosius, nedum, quod innatum, fortius et, quod infectum, [factum] ualidius? quia quod, ut esset. nullius eguit auctoris, multo sublimius erit eo, quod, ut esset. aliquem habuit auctorem. proinde, si malum quidem (quod) innatum est, id est *** sermo dei, — eructauit enim, inquit, (cor meum) sermonem optimum, — non scio. an a bono malum possit abduci, ualidius ab infirmo, ut innatum a nato. ita et hoc nomine materiam deo praeponit Hermogenes, praeponendo eam filio, — filius enim sermo, et deus sermo, et: ego et pater unum sumus — nisi quod sustinebit aequo animo filius eam praeponi sibi, quae patri adaequatur.
If God needed matter for the works of the world, as Hermogenes thought, God had a matter far worthier and more fitting, one not to be valued by the philosophers but to be understood from the prophets: namely his own Wisdom. She alone, indeed, knew the mind of the Lord. For who knows the things of God and what is in him, except the Spirit who is in him? And Wisdom is spirit. She was his counsellor; she is herself the way of understanding and knowledge. From her he made, making through her and making with her. “When he was preparing the heaven,” she says, “I was present with him; and when he made strong the clouds above over the winds, and when he set firm the fountains of what is under heaven, I was fitting things together with him. I was the one in whom he rejoiced; and daily I delighted in his presence, when he delighted, having completed the world, and he delighted in the sons of men.” Who would not rather commend her as the fountain and origin of all things, the true matter of matters, not subject in place, not different in state, not restless in motion, not shapeless in form, but inborn, his own, ordered and comely, such as God could have needed, needing what was his own rather than what was another's? Indeed, as soon as he perceived her to be necessary for the works of the world, he at once creates and begets her in himself: “The Lord,” she says, “created me as the beginning of his ways for his works; before the ages he founded me, before he made the earth, before the mountains were set in place; and before all the hills he begot me, and I was begotten before the abyss.” Let Hermogenes acknowledge, then, that the Wisdom of God too is proclaimed born and created for this very reason, that we should not believe anything to be unborn and uncreated except God alone. For if (that which was) within the Lord, which was from him and in him, was not without beginning, namely his Wisdom, born and created from the moment when she began to be stirred in God's mind for arranging the works of the world, much less does it allow that anything was without beginning which was outside the Lord. And if this same Wisdom is the Word of God … Wisdom in thought, without whom nothing was made, just as nothing was arranged without Wisdom, how can it be that anything besides the Father was older than the Son of God, the only-begotten and firstborn Word, and in this way certainly nobler, not to say stronger, as unborn, and more powerful, as unmade? For that which needed no author in order to exist will be far loftier than that which had an author in order to exist. So too, if what is evil is (that which) is unborn, … the Word of God (“My heart,” he says, “has uttered a most good Word”), I do not know whether evil can be derived from good, the stronger from the weak, as the unborn from the born. So on this score too Hermogenes puts matter before God, by putting it before the Son; for the Son is the Word, and the Word is God, and “I and the Father are one”; unless the Son is to bear calmly that matter be set above himself, since it is made equal to the Father.
Chapter 19
19CSEL 47:146–148
Sed et ad originale instrumentum Moysei prouocabo, unde et diuersa pars (prae)sumptiones suas ingratis fulcire conatur, ne scilicet non inde instrui uideatur, unde oportet. itaque occasiones sibi sumpsit quorundam uerborum, ut haereticis fere mos est simplicia quaeque torquere. nam et ipsum principium, in quo deus fecit caelum et terram, aliquid uolunt fuisse quasi substantiuum et corpulentum, quod in materiam interpretari possit. nos autem unicuique uocabulo proprietatem cum uindicamus,« principium initium esse et competisse ita poni rebus incipientibus fieri. nihil enim, quod fieri habet, sine initio esse, quod initium sit illi ipsum, dum incipit fieri. ita principium siue initium inceptionis esse uerbum, non alicuius substantiae nomen. iam nunc, si principalia dei opera caelum et terra sunt, quae ante omnia deus.. fecit suorum esse proprie principium, qua priora sunt facta, merito sic praefatur scriptura: in principio fecit deus caelum et terram, quemadmodum dixisset: in fine deus fecit caelum et terram, si post uniuersa fecisset. aut si principium aliqua substantia est, erit et finis aliqua materia. plane licebit etiam substantiuum aliquid principium esse alii rei, quae ex ipso sit futura, ut argilla principium testae, ut semen principium herbae. sed cum ita utimur uocabulo principii, quasi originis, non quasi ordinis nomine, adicimus et mentionem ipsius rei specialiter, quam uolumus principium alterius rei. de cetero si sic ponamus uerbi gratia: (in principio fecit figulus peluim uel urnam, iam non materiam significabit principium, — non enim argillam nominaui principium, — sed ordinem operis, quia figulus ante cetera primum peluim et urnam fecit, exinde facturus et cetera. [ad ordinationem operum principii uocabulum pertinebit, non ad originem substantiarum.] possum et aliter principium interpretari, non ab re tamen; nam et in Graeco principii uocabulum, quod est ἀρχή, non tantum ordinatiuum sed et potestatiuum capit principatum, unde et archontes dicunt principes et magistratus. ergo secundum hanc quoque significationem principium pro principatu et potestate sumetur. in principatu enim et in potestate deus fecit caelum et terram.
But I shall also appeal to the original document of Moses, from which the other side too tries, against the grain, to prop up its presumptions, so as not to seem to take its instruction from anywhere other than where it ought. So it has seized its opportunities from certain words, as heretics are generally in the habit of twisting everything simple. For they want even the “beginning” itself, in which God made heaven and earth, to have been something substantial and bodily, which could be interpreted as matter. We, however, claiming for each word its proper sense, say that “beginning” means the start, and that it is properly applied to things that begin to be made. For nothing that is to be made is without a start, and its beginning is precisely the moment when it begins to be made. So “beginning” or “start” is a word for commencing, not the name of some substance. Now then, if heaven and earth are the principal works of God, which God made before all things, so as to be properly the beginning of his works, since they were made first, Scripture rightly opens thus: “In the beginning God made heaven and earth,” just as it would have said, “At the end God made heaven and earth,” if he had made them after everything else. Or if “beginning” is some substance, “end” too will be some matter. Of course something substantial may be the beginning of another thing that is to come from it, as clay is the beginning of a pot, or seed the beginning of a plant. But when we use the word “beginning” in that way, as a term of origin and not of order, we add specific mention of the very thing that we mean to be the beginning of the other. Otherwise, if we put it this way, for example, “In the beginning the potter made a basin or a jar,” “beginning” will no longer signify matter (for I have not named the clay as the beginning) but the order of the work, since the potter made the basin and the jar first before the rest, and was going to make the rest afterwards. I can also interpret “beginning” another way, yet not beside the point; for in Greek too the word for beginning, which is archē, admits not only the sense of order but also that of power and principality, which is why they call princes and magistrates archontes. So in this sense also “beginning” will be taken as principality and power. For in principality and power God made heaven and earth.
Chapter 20
20CSEL 47:148–149
Sed ut nihil aliud significet Graeca uox quam principium et principium nihil aliud capiat quam initium, habemus etiam illam initium agnoscere quae dicit: dominus condidit me (initium uiarum suarum) in opera sua. si enim per sophiam dei omnia facta sunt, et caelum ergo et terram deus faciens in principio, id est initio, in sophia sua fecit. denique si principium materiam significaret, non ita scriptura instruxisset: in principio deus fecit, sed ex principio; non enim in materia, sed ex materia fecisset. de sophia autem potuit dici: in principio. in sophia enim primo fecit, in qua cogitando et disponendo iam fecerat, quoniam, et si ex materia facturus fuisset, ante in sophia [cogitando et disponendo iam fecerat. quoniam et si] erat initium uiarum, quia cogitatio et dispositio prima sophiae sit operatio, de cogitatu uiam operibus instituentis. hanc et inde auctoritatem scripturae mihi uindico, quod et deum. qui fecit, et ea, quae fecit, ostendens, unde fecerit non proinde testatur. nam cum in omni operatione tria sint principalia. qui facit et quod fit et ex quo fit, tria nomina sunt edenda in legitima operis enarratione, persona factoris, species facti, forma materiae. si materia non edetur, ubi et opera et operae operator eduntur, apparet ex nihilo eum operatum. proinde enim ederetur ex quo, si ex aliquo fuisset operatus. denique euangelium ut supplementum instrumenti ueteris adhibebo, in quo uel eo magis debuerat ostendi deus ex aliqua materia uniuersa fecisse, quo illic etiam, per quem omnia fecerit, reuelatur. in principio erat sermo, – in quo principio scilicet deus fecit caelum et terram – et sermo erat apud deum, et deus erat sermo. omnia per illum facta sunt, et sine illo factum est nihil. cum igitur et hic manifestetur et factor, id est deus, et facta, id est omnia, et per quem, id est sermo, nonne et unde omnia facta essent a deo per sermonem exegisset ordo profiteri, si ex aliquo facta essent? ita quod non fuit, non potuit scriptura profiteri, et non profitendo satis probauit non fuisse, quia profiteretur, si fuisset.
But even supposing the Greek word means nothing other than “beginning,” and “beginning” allows nothing other than “start,” we have also to recognize as a start her who says: “The Lord created me (as the start of his ways) for his works.” For if all things were made through the Wisdom of God, then God, when he made heaven and earth in the beginning, that is, in the start, made them in his Wisdom. Indeed, if “beginning” signified matter, Scripture would not have taught us thus, “In the beginning God made,” but “From the beginning”; for he would have made not in matter but from matter. But of Wisdom it could be said, “In the beginning.” For it was in Wisdom that he first made, in whom, by thinking and arranging, he had already made; since, even if he had been going to make from matter, she was beforehand the start of his ways, because thinking and arranging is the first operation of Wisdom, which from thought lays out the way for the works. I also claim the authority of Scripture for myself from this: that while it shows both God who made and the things he made, it does not in the same way testify from what he made. For since in every making there are three principal things, who makes, what is made, and from what it is made, three names must be given in a proper account of a work: the person of the maker, the kind of thing made, and the form of the material. If the material is not stated, where both the works and the worker of the work are stated, it is plain that he worked from nothing. For the “from what” would be stated likewise, if he had worked from something. Finally, I shall bring in the gospel as a supplement to the old document; in it it ought all the more to have been shown that God made all things from some matter, since there even the one through whom he made all things is revealed. “In the beginning was the Word” (in which beginning, that is, God made heaven and earth) “and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” Since, then, here too are shown the maker, that is, God, and the things made, that is, all things, and the one through whom, that is, the Word, would not the order of the account have required it also to declare from what all things were made by God through the Word, if they had been made from something? So what did not exist, Scripture could not declare; and by not declaring it, it proved well enough that it did not exist, since it would have declared it if it had existed.
Chapter 21
21CSEL 47:149–150
Ergo, inquis, si tu ideo praeiudicas ex nihilo facta omnia, quia non sit manifeste relatum de materia praecedenti factum quid, uide ne diuersa pars ideo contendat ex materia omnia facta, quia proinde non aperte significatum sit ex nihilo quid factum. plane retorqueri quaedam facile possunt, non statim et ex aequo admitti, ubi diuersitas causae est. dico enim, etsi non aperte scriptura pronuntiauit ex nihilo facta omnia, sicut nec ex materia, non tantam fuisse necessitatem aperte significandi de nihilo facta omnia, quanta esset, si ex materia facta fuissent, quoniam, quod fit ex nihilo, eo ipso, dum non ostenditur ex aliquo factum, manifestatur ex nihilo factum, et non periclitatur, ne ex aliquo factum existimetur, quando non demonstretur, ex quo sit factum. quod autem ex aliquo fit. nisi hoc ipsum aperte declaratur ex aliquo factum illud, dum ex quo factum sit ostenditur, periclitabitur primo uideri ex nihilo factum, quia non editur, ex quo sit factum, dehinc etsi ea sit condicione, ut non possit (non factum) uideri ex aliquo, proinde periclitabitur ex alio longe factum uideri quam ex quo factum est, dum non proponitur, unde sit factum. ita si ex nihilo deus cuncta fecit, potuit scriptura non adiecisse illum ex nihilo fecisse. ex materia eum fecisse omni modo debuit edixisse, (si sci)licet ex materia fecisset; quia illud in totum habebat intellegi, et si non significaretur, at istud in dubio, nisi significaretur.
“Then,” you say, “if you prejudge that all things were made from nothing because it is not plainly stated that anything was made from pre-existing matter, beware lest the other side contend that all things were made from matter because it is likewise not openly signified that anything was made from nothing.” Some arguments can indeed easily be turned back, but they are not at once admitted on equal terms where the cases differ. For I say that, even if Scripture has not openly declared that all things were made from nothing, just as it has not declared that they were made from matter, there was not so great a need to signify openly that all things were made from nothing as there would have been if they had been made from matter. For what is made from nothing is, by the very fact that it is not shown to have been made from something, made plain as made from nothing; and it runs no risk of being thought made from something, since there is no showing from what it was made. But what is made from something, unless this very fact is openly declared, that it was made from something, by showing from what it was made, will run the risk, first, of seeming to have been made from nothing, since it is not stated from what it was made; and then, even if it is of such a kind that it cannot seem (not to have been made) from something, it will likewise run the risk of seeming to have been made from something far different from that from which it was made, so long as its source is not set out. So if God made all things from nothing, Scripture could have left out the statement that he made them from nothing; but it was bound by every means to declare that he made them from matter, (if, that is,) he had made them from matter; because the former was to be understood entirely even if it were not signified, whereas the latter would be in doubt unless it were signified.
Chapter 22
22CSEL 47:150–151
Atque adeo spiritus sanctus hanc scripturae suae rationem constituit, ut, cum quid ex aliquo fit, et quod fit et unde fit referat. fruticet, inquit, terra herbam foeni, seminantem semen secundum genus et secundum similitudinem, et lignum fructuosum faciens fructum, cuius semen in ipso in similitudinem. et factum est sic. et produxit terra herbam foeni seminantem semen secundum genus, et lignum fructuosum faciens fructum, cuius semen in ipso in similitudinem. et rursus: et dixit deus: producant aquae repentia animarum uiuarum et uolatilia uolantia super terram per firmamentum caeli. et factum est sic. et fecit deus cetos magnos et omnem animam animalium repentium, quae produxerunt aquae secundum genus ipsorum. item post: et dixit deus: producat terra animam uiuam secundum genus, quadrupedia et repentia et bestias terrae secundum genus ipsorum. si ergo ex iam factis rebus alias res deus proferens ostendit per prophetam et dicit, quid unde protulerit, — quamquam possimus (unde)unde illas prolatas aestimare, dumne ex nihilo; iam enim facta erant quaedam, ex quibus prolatae uideri possent —, si tantam curam instructioni nostrae insumpsit spiritus sanctus, ut sciremus quid unde processerit, nonne proinde nos et de caelo et de terra compotes reddidisset significando, unde ea esset operatus, si de aliqua materia origo constaret illorum, ne tanto magis ex nihilo ea uideretur operatus, quanto nihil adhuc erat factum, ex quo operatus uideretur? itaque sicut ea, quae de aliquo prolata sunt, ostendit, unde prolata sint, ita quae non ostendit, unde prolata sint, ex nihilo prolata confirmat. »igitur: in principio deus fecit caelum et terram, adoro scripturae plenitudinem, qua mihi et factorem manifestat et facta; in euangelio uero amplius et ministrum atque arbitrum factoris inuenio, sermonem. an autem de aliqua subiacenti materia facta sint omnia, nusquam adhuc legi. scriptum esse doceat Hermogenis officina. si non est scriptum, timeat uae illud adicientibus aut detrahentibus destinatum.
And so the Holy Spirit has established this rule for his Scripture: when something is made from something, it reports both what is made and from what it is made. “Let the earth,” he says, “sprout the grass of the field, yielding seed according to its kind and according to its likeness, and the fruit-bearing tree yielding fruit whose seed is in itself according to its likeness. And it was so. And the earth brought forth the grass of the field yielding seed according to its kind, and the fruit-bearing tree yielding fruit whose seed is in itself according to its likeness.” And again: “And God said, Let the waters bring forth creeping things with living souls, and birds flying above the earth across the firmament of heaven. And it was so. And God made great sea monsters and every soul of creeping animals, which the waters brought forth according to their kind.” Likewise later: “And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living soul according to its kind, four-footed beasts and creeping things and wild beasts of the earth according to their kind.” If, then, when God brings forth other things from things already made, he shows through the prophet and says what he brought forth from what (although we could have supposed that they were brought forth from anywhere at all, provided not from nothing, since some things had already been made from which they might seem to have been brought forth); if the Holy Spirit took such care over our instruction that we should know what came from what, would he not likewise have informed us about heaven and earth too, by signifying from what he had made them, if their origin had been from some matter, so that he should not seem to have made them from nothing, all the more since nothing had yet been made from which he might seem to have made them? So, just as for things brought forth from something he shows from what they were brought forth, so for things of which he does not show from what they were brought forth, he confirms that they were brought forth from nothing. So then: “In the beginning God made heaven and earth.” I adore the fullness of Scripture, in which it makes known to me both the maker and the things made; and in the gospel I find besides the minister and arbiter of the maker, the Word. But that all things were made from some underlying matter I have nowhere yet read. Let Hermogenes' workshop show that it is written. If it is not written, let him fear the woe appointed for those who add or take away.
Chapter 23
23CSEL 47:151–152
Sed (et) ex sequentibus argumentatur, quia scriptum sit: terra autem erat inuisibilis et incomposita, nam et terrae nomen redigit (in) materiam, quia terra sit, quae facta est ex illa, et erat') in hoc dirigit, quasi quae semper retro fuerit, innata et infecta, inuisibilis autem et rudis, quia informem et confusam et inconditam uult fuisse materiam. has quidem opiniones eius singillatim reuincam; sed interim uolo sic ei respondere: putemus his articulis materiam demonstrari: numquid tamen, quia erat ante omnia et talis, et ex ea factum aliquid scriptura significat? atquin nihil tale significat. fuerit licet materia, quantum sibi libet uel potius Hermogeni: potuit et fuisse et tamen nihil deus ex illa fecisse, uel quia non decebat deum alicuius eguisse, certe quia nec ostenditur quicquam ex materia fecisse. sine causa ergo esset, inquis. non plane adeo sine causa. nam etsi mundus non est factus ex illa, sed haeresis facta est, et quidem hoc impudentior, quod non ex materia facta est haeresis, sed materiam ipsam potius haeresis fecit.
But he (also) argues from what follows, since it is written: “But the earth was invisible and unformed.” For he reduces the name “earth” (to) matter, on the ground that the earth which was made came from it; and he refers “was” to this, as though it had always existed in the past, unborn and unmade; and “invisible and unformed”, because he wants matter to have been shapeless and confused and disordered. These opinions of his I shall refute one by one; but meanwhile I want to answer him thus. Let us suppose that matter is indicated by these phrases: does Scripture for all that signify, because it existed before all things and was of such a kind, that anything was also made from it? Yet it signifies nothing of the kind. Let matter have existed as much as it likes, or rather as much as Hermogenes likes: it could both have existed and yet God have made nothing from it, whether because it was not fitting for God to have needed anything, or certainly because he is not shown to have made anything from matter. “Then it would have existed for no purpose,” you say. Not wholly for no purpose. For even if the world was not made from it, a heresy was; and a heresy all the more shameless in that the heresy was not made from matter, but rather the heresy made matter itself.
Chapter 24
24CSEL 47:152
Reuertor nunc ad singulos articulos, per quos putauit significatam esse materiam, et primo de nominibus expostulabo. horum enim alterum legimus, quod est terrae, alterum non inuenimus, quod est materiae. quaero ergo, cum materiae nominatio non extet in scriptura, quomodo ei etiam terrae appellatio adcommodetur in alio iam genere substantiae nota. quo magis materiae quoque nominatio extitisse debuerat consecuta etiam terrae appellationem, ut scirem terram commune cum materia esse nomen, ne illud ei soli substantiae uindicarem, cuius et proprium (et) in qua magis notum est, uel ne illud in quamcumque aliam speciem t nec utique omni s> materia communicare possem, si uellem. cum enim non extat proprium uocabulum eius rei, cui commune uocabulum adscribitur, quando non comparet cui adscribatur, cuicumque alii poterit adscribi. ita Hermogenes, et si materiam ostenderet nominatam, deberet eandem probare terram quoque cognominatam, ut ita utrumque illi uocabulum uindicaret.
I return now to the individual phrases in which he thought matter was signified, and first I shall raise a complaint about the names. Of these we read the one, “earth”, but do not find the other, “matter”. I ask, then, since the name “matter” does not appear in Scripture, how the designation “earth” can be fitted to it, a designation already known for another kind of substance. All the more should the name “matter” also have appeared, accompanied by the designation “earth”, so that I might know that “earth” is a name common to it and to matter, and might not claim the word for that substance alone to which it properly belongs (and) in which it is better known; or so that I might not be able … to share it with any other kind of thing, if I wished. For when the proper term does not appear for the thing to which a common term is ascribed, since it is not clear to what it is ascribed, it can be ascribed to anything else. So Hermogenes, even if he showed that matter was named, would have to prove that it was also called “earth”, in order to claim both terms for it.
Chapter 25
25CSEL 47:152–154
Vult igitur duas proponi terras in ista scriptura. unam, quam in principio deus fecit, aliam [materiam] ex qua fecit, de qua dictum sit: terra autem erat inuisibilis et rudis. utique si quaeram, ex duabus quae cui nomen terrae accommodare debeat, dicetur hanc, quae facta sit, ex illa. ex qua facta est, uocabulum deriuasse, quia ueri similius sit ab origine sobolem potius quam originem a sobole uocitari. hoc si ita est, alia nobis obuoluitur quaestio, an competat terram hanc. quam deus fecit, ex illa, ex qua fecit, cognomentum deriuasse. audio enim apud Hermogenem ceterosque materiarios haereticos terram quidem illam informem et inuisibilem et rudem fuisse, hanc uero nostram uideo et formam et conspectum et cultum a deo consecutam, aliud ergo factam quam erat ea, ex qua facta est. porro aliud facta non potuit cum ea de nomine sociari, a cuius condicione desciuerat. si nomen proprium materiae illius fuit terra, haec, quae non est materia, aliud scilicet facta, terrae quoque non capit nomen, alienum et statu suo extraneum. sed materia facta, id est haec terra, habuit cum sua origine consortium nominis sicut et generis. non adeo. nam et testam, licet ex argilla confectam, iam non argillam uocabo sed testam, et electrum, licet ex auro et argento foederatum, nec argentum tamen nec aurum appellabo sed electrum. a cuius habitu quid diuertit, pariter et a uocatu eius recedit, appellationis sicut et condicionis proprietate. quam autem transierit de statu terrae illius [id est materiae ista terra, uel eo palam est, quod haec apud Genesim testimonium boni accepit: et uidit deus quia bonum, illa autem apud Hermogenem in originem et causam malorum deputatur. postremo si ideo haec terra, quia et illa, cur non et materia haec quoque. quia et illa? immo et caelum et omnia, si ex materia constant, et terrae et materiae uocari debuerunt. satis ista de terrae nomine, in quo materiam intellegi uoluit. quod nomen unius elementi omnes sciunt, natura primum, dehinc scriptura docente, nisi si et Sileno illi apud Midam regem adseueranti de alio orbe credendum est, auctore Theopompo. sed et deos multos idem refert.
He wants, then, two earths to be set forth in this Scripture: one which God made in the beginning, the other from which he made it, of which it was said, “But the earth was invisible and unformed.” Of course, if I ask which of the two ought to have given the name “earth” to the other, it will be said that this one, which was made, derived its name from that one from which it was made, since it is likelier that offspring are named from their origin than the origin from its offspring. If so, another question is wrapped up for us: whether it is fitting that this earth which God made derived its name from that from which he made it. For I hear from Hermogenes and the other matter-heretics that that earth was shapeless and invisible and unformed; but I see that this earth of ours has received from God form and visibility and cultivation, and so was made something other than that from which it was made. And having been made something other, it could not share a name with that from whose condition it had departed. If “earth” was the proper name of that matter, then this earth, which is not matter, having been made something other, does not admit the name “earth” either, since the name is foreign to it and alien to its state. “But matter once made, that is, this earth, shared its name with its origin, as it shared its kind.” Not so. For a pot, though made of clay, I shall no longer call clay but a pot; and electrum, though alloyed from gold and silver, I shall call neither silver nor gold but electrum. Whatever departs from the character of a thing departs likewise from its name, in the propriety of naming as in condition. How far this earth has passed from the state of that earth is plain from this alone: this earth received in Genesis the testimony of goodness, “And God saw that it was good,” while that one is reckoned by Hermogenes as the origin and cause of evils. Finally, if this is “earth” because that was, why is this not also “matter”, because that was? Indeed heaven too and all things, if they consist of matter, ought to have been called both “earth” and “matter”. Enough on the name “earth”, in which he wanted matter to be understood. Everyone knows it as the name of a single element, taught first by nature and then by Scripture; unless we are also to believe the Silenus who, on the authority of Theopompus, insisted to King Midas that there was another world. But the same writer also reports many gods.
Chapter 26
26CSEL 47:154–155
Nobis autem unus deus et una est terra, quam in principio deus fecit. cuius ordinem incipiens scriptura decurrere primo factam eam edicit, dehinc qualitatem ipsius edisserit; sicut et caelum primo factum professa: in principio deus fecit caelum, dehinc dispositionem eius superducit et separauit inter aquam, quae erat infra firmamentum et quae erat super firmamentum, et uocauit deus firmamentum caelum, ipsum, quod in primordio fecerat. proinde et de homine...: et fecit deus hominem, ad imaginem dei fecit illum, dehinc qualiter fecerit reddit: et finxit deus hominem de limo terrae et adflauit in faciem eius flatum uitae, et factus est homo in animam uiuam. et utique sic decet narrationem inire: praefari primo, postea prosequi; nominare, deinde describere. alioquin uanum, si eius rei, cuius nullam praemiserat mentionem. id est materiae, ne ipsum quidem nomen, subito formam et habitum promulgauit, ante enarrauit, qualis esset, quam an esset ostendit, figuram deformauit, nomen abscondit. at quanto credibilius secundum nos eius rei dispositionem scriptura subiunxit, cuius institutionem simulque nominationem praemisit? quam denique integer sensus est: in principio deus fecit caelum et terram, terra autem erat inuisibilis et rudis; quam deus scilicet fecit, de qua scriptura cum maxime dixerat? nam et autem ipsum uelut fibula coniunctiuae particulae ad conexum narrationi adpositum est: terra autem. hoc enim uerbo reuertitur ad eam, de qua supra dixerat, et alligat sensum. adeo aufer hinc autem, et soluta compago est, ut tunc possit de alia terra dictum uideri: terra erat inuisibilis et rudis.
But for us there is one God and one earth, which God made in the beginning. Scripture, beginning to run through its order, first declares that it was made, then sets out its quality; just as, having first declared that heaven was made, “In the beginning God made heaven,” it then adds its arrangement: “and he separated the water which was below the firmament from that which was above the firmament, and God called the firmament heaven,” that very heaven which he had made at the beginning. So too with man: “And God made man; in the image of God he made him”; then it relates how he made him: “And God formed man from the clay of the earth and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” And surely this is the fitting way to begin a narrative: first to announce, then to proceed; to name, then to describe. Otherwise it would be absurd if, of a thing of which it had made no previous mention, that is, matter, not even of its name, it suddenly proclaimed its form and condition, related what it was like before it showed that it existed, sketched its figure and hid its name. But how much more credible it is, on our view, that Scripture added the arrangement of the thing whose making and naming it had set down first! In short, how complete the sense is: “In the beginning God made heaven and earth; but the earth was invisible and unformed,” the earth, that is, which God made, of which Scripture had only just spoken. For the very word “but” is set there like a clasp, a connecting particle, to link the narrative: “but the earth.” By this word it returns to the earth of which it had spoken above, and binds the sense together. Take “but” away, and the joint is loosened, so that “the earth was invisible and unformed” might then seem to be said of another earth.
Chapter 27
27CSEL 47:155
Sed tu supercilia, capitis nutu digiti adcommodato, altius tollens et quasi retro iactans: erat inquis; quasi semper fuerit, scilicet innata et infecta, et idcirco materia credenda. at ego sine ullo lenocinio pronuntiationis simpliciter respondebo de omni re posse dici erat, etiam de ea, quae facta, quae nata sit, quae aliquando non fuerit et quae materia non sit. omne enim, quod habet esse. (unde) unde habet, siue per initium siue sine initio, hoc ipso, quod est, etiam erat dicetur. cui competit prima uerbi positio in definitionem, eidem etiam declinatio uerbi decurret in relationem. est definitionis caput. erat relationis facit. haec sunt argutiae et subtilitates haereticorum, simplicitatem communium uerborum torquentes in quaestionem. magna scilicet quaestio est, si erat terra, quae facta est. sane discutiendum, an ei competat inuisibilem et rudem fuisse, quae facta est, an ei, ex qua facta est, ut eiusdem sit erat, cuius et quod erat.
But you, raising your eyebrows high, with a nod of the head and a finger to match, and as it were tossing them back, say: “Was”, as though it had always existed, that is, unborn and unmade, and must therefore be believed to be matter. But I, without any flourish of delivery, shall simply answer that “was” can be said of anything, even of what has been made, what has been born, what once did not exist, and what is not matter. For everything that has being, from wherever it has it, whether with a beginning or without one, will by the very fact that it is also be said to have been. The first form of the verb serves for definition; its inflection runs on into narrative. “Is” is the head of a definition; “was” makes a narrative. These are the quibbles and subtleties of heretics, twisting the simplicity of common words into a question. A great question indeed, whether the earth that was made “was”! What must certainly be discussed is whether being invisible and unformed belongs to the earth that was made or to that from which it was made, so that the “was” belongs to the same thing as what it was.
Chapter 28
28CSEL 47:155–156
Atquin non tantum probabimus istum habitum huic terrae competisse, sed et illi alii non competisse. nam si nuda materia deo subiacebat, nullo scilicet elemento obstruente, siquidem nondum quicquam erat praeter ipsam et deum, utique inuisibilis esse non poterat, quia etsi tenebras uolet in substantia fuisse materiae, cui articulo respondere debebimus suo ordine, etiam homini tenebrae uisibiles sunt, — hoc enim ipsum, quod sunt tenebrae, uidetur — nedum deo. et utique, si inuisibilis esset, nullo modo cognosceretur qualitas eius. unde ergo compertus est Hermogenes informem et confusam et inquietam illam fuisse, quae ut inuisibilis latebat? aut si hoc a deo reuelatum est, probare debet. sic et an rudis dici potuerit, expostulo. certe enim rude illud est, quod imperfectum est. certe imperfectum non potest esse nisi quod factum est; quod enim minus factum est, imperfectum (est.) certe, inquis. ergo materia, quae facta non erat in totum, imperfecta esse non potuit; quae imperfecta non fuit. etiam rudis non fuit. initium non habens. quia facta non fuit, caruit et rudimento. initii enim accidens est rudimentum. terra uero, quae facta est, meruit et rudis dici. statim enim ut facta st, habuit imperfectae locum, ante perfectionem,
Yet we shall prove not only that this condition belonged to this earth, but also that it did not belong to that other. For if bare matter lay before God, with no element obstructing it, since there was as yet nothing besides itself and God, it certainly could not have been invisible. For even if he wants darkness to have been in the substance of matter (a point we shall have to answer in its place), darkness is visible even to a human being (for the very fact that it is darkness is seen), much more to God. And certainly, if it were invisible, its quality could in no way be known. How then did Hermogenes discover that it was shapeless and confused and restless, when as invisible it lay hidden? Or if this was revealed by God, he must prove it. So too I demand whether it could be called unformed. For certainly what is unformed is imperfect. Certainly nothing can be imperfect except what has been made; for what has been made incompletely (is) imperfect. “Certainly,” you say. Then matter, which had not been made at all, could not be imperfect; and what was not imperfect was not unformed either. Having no beginning, since it was not made, it also lacked a rudimentary state; for being rudimentary is an accident of a beginning. But the earth, which was made, deserved to be called unformed too. For as soon as it was made, it held the place of the imperfect, before its perfection,
Chapter 29
29CSEL 47:156–158
siquidem omnia opera sua deus consummauit, incultis primo elementis depalans quodammodo mundum. dehinc exornatis uelut dedicans. nam et lumen non statim splendore solis impleuit, et tenebras non statim solatio lunae temperauit, et caelum non statim sideribus stellisque signauit, et maria non statim beluis frequentauit, et ipsam terram non statim uaria fecunditate dotauit; sed primo esse ei contulit, dehinc non in uacuum esse suppleuit. sic enim et Esaias: non in uacuum, ait, fecit illam, sed inhabitari. postea ergo quam facta est, futura etiam perfecta, interim erat inuisibilis et rudis, rudis quidem hoc quoque ipso, quod inuisibilis, ut nec uisui perfecta, simul et ut de reliquo nondum instructa, inuisibilis uero, ut adhuc aquis tamquam munimento genitalis humoris obducta, qua forma etiam adfinis eius, caro nostra, producitur. nam et Dauid ita canit: domini est terra et plenitudo eius, orbis terrae, et omnes qui habitant in illo; ipse super maria fundauit eum et super flumina praeparauit eum. segregatis enim aquis in cauatiorem sinum emicantior facta est arida, quae antehac aquis tegebatur. exinde itaque et uisibilis efficitur dicente deo: congregetur aqua in congregatione una, et uideatur arida. (uideatur,) inquit, non fiat. iam enim facta erat, sed, inuisibilis usque tunc, uideri sustinebat. arida autem, quod erat futura ei diuortio humoris, iam terra: et uocauit deus aridam terram, non materiam. sic et perfectionem postea consecuta desinit rudis haberi, cum pronuntiat deus: fruticet terra herbam foeni seminantem semen secundum genus et secundum similitudinem, et lignum fructuosum faciens fructum, cuius semen in ipso in similitudinem. item: producat terra animam uiuam secundum genus, et quadrupedia et repentia et bestias terrae secundum genus. impleuit igitur ordinem suum scriptura diuina. quam enim praedixerat inuisibilem et rudem, ei et uisionem reddidit et perfectionem. non alias autem materia erat inuisibilis et rudis. ergo (et) materia erit postea uisibilis et perfecta. uolo itaque uidere materiam; uisibilis enim facta est. uolo et perfectam eam recognoscere, ut ex illa etiam foeni herbam et ex illa decerpam lignum fructuosum et ex illa animalia usui meo famulem. sed materia quidem nusquam, terra uero id est haec, coram. hanc uideo, hanc perfruor, ex quo inuisibilis et rudis esse desiit. de qua manifestissime Esaias: haec dicit dominus, qui fecit caelum, iste deus, qui demonstrauit terram et fecit illam. certe eandem demonstrauit quam et fecit. quomodo demonstrauit? utique dicendo: uideatur arida. quare uideri iubet, nisi quia retro non uidebatur, ut sic quoque eam non in uacuum fecisset faciendo uisibilem, et ita habitabilem? et sic per omnia probatur nobis hanc, quam incolimus, eandem et factam esse a deo et ostensam, nec aliam fuisse rudem et inuisibilem quam quae et facta et ostensa est. atque ita: terra autem erat inuisibilis et rudis ad eam pertinet, quam deus cum caelo parauit.
since God brought all his works to completion by first, as it were, staking out the world with raw elements and then, as it were, dedicating it once adorned. For he did not at once fill the light with the splendour of the sun, nor at once temper the darkness with the comfort of the moon, nor at once mark the heaven with constellations and stars, nor at once people the seas with monsters, nor at once endow the earth itself with varied fruitfulness; but first he gave it being, then he filled it so that it should not exist in vain. For so Isaiah too says: “He did not make it in vain, but to be inhabited.” So after it was made, destined also to be perfected, it was meanwhile invisible and unformed: unformed in this very respect, that it was invisible, as not yet perfected to sight, and also as not yet furnished with the rest; and invisible, as still covered by the waters, as by a protective wrapping of generative moisture, the form in which our flesh too, its kin, is brought forth. For David too sings thus: “The earth is the Lord's and its fullness, the world and all who dwell in it; he founded it upon the seas and prepared it upon the rivers.” For when the waters were separated into a deeper hollow, the dry land, which until then had been covered by the waters, stood out more clearly. Thereafter it is made visible too, as God says: “Let the water be gathered into one gathering, and let the dry land be seen.” (“Let it be seen,”) he says, not “let it be made.” For it had already been made, but, invisible until then, it waited to be seen. “Dry”, because it was to become so by the separation of the moisture; but already “earth”: “And God called the dry land earth,” not matter. So too, having afterwards attained perfection, it ceases to be regarded as unformed, when God pronounces: “Let the earth sprout the grass of the field, yielding seed according to its kind and according to its likeness, and the fruit-bearing tree yielding fruit whose seed is in itself according to its likeness.” Likewise: “Let the earth bring forth the living soul according to its kind, and four-footed beasts and creeping things and wild beasts of the earth according to their kind.” So divine Scripture completed its order. To the earth it had first called invisible and unformed it gave both visibility and perfection. And matter was not invisible and unformed in any other sense; therefore matter (too) will afterwards be visible and perfect. So I want to see matter, for it has been made visible. I want also to recognize it perfected, so that from it I may pluck the grass of the field, and from it the fruit-bearing tree, and from it make animals serve my use. But matter is nowhere, whereas the earth, this earth, is before my eyes. This I see, this I enjoy, ever since it ceased to be invisible and unformed. Of it Isaiah speaks most plainly: “Thus says the Lord who made heaven, he is God, who showed the earth and made it.” Certainly he showed the same earth that he made. How did he show it? By saying, of course, “Let the dry land be seen.” Why does he command it to be seen, unless it was not seen before, so that in this way too he might have made it not in vain, by making it visible and so habitable? And so it is proved to us at every point that this earth which we inhabit is the same that was both made and shown by God, and that no other earth was unformed and invisible than that which was both made and shown. And so “But the earth was invisible and unformed” refers to the earth which God prepared together with heaven.
Chapter 30
30CSEL 47:158–159
Sic et sequentia coniecturam Hermogenis instruere uidebuntur: et tenebrae super abyssum et spiritus dei super aquas ferebatur, quasi et haec confusae substantiae massalis illius molis argumenta portendant. atquin singillatim definiens tenebras abyssum spiritum dei aquas, nihil confusum nec in confusione incertum aestimari facit tam diuisa relatio certorum et distinctorum elementorum. hoc quidem amplius: cum situs proprios eis adscribit, tenebris super abyssum, spiritui super aquas, negauit confusionem substantiarum, quarum demonstrando dispositionem demonstrauit etiam distinctionem. uanissimum denique, ut materia, quae informis inducitur, de tot formarum uocabulis informis adseueretur. non edito, quid sit illud corpus confusionis, [quod] unicum utique credendum est, si informe est. uniforme etenim. quod informe. et informe autem, quod ex uarietate confusum est, unam habeat necesse est speciem, quod non habet, [speciem] dum (nihil) ex multis unam habet speciem. ceterum aut habebat in se species istas materia, de quarum uocabulis intellegenda esset, tenebras dico et abyssum et spiritum et aquas, aut non habebat: si [enim] habebat, quomodo inducitur non habens formas? si non habebat, (unde) agnoscitur?
So too what follows will seem to support Hermogenes' conjecture: “And darkness was over the abyss, and the Spirit of God was borne over the waters,” as though these too pointed to that lumpy mass of confused substance. Yet by defining one by one darkness, abyss, Spirit of God, and waters, so divided an account of definite and distinct elements does not allow anything to be thought confused, or uncertain through confusion. More than that: when it assigns them their proper places, darkness over the abyss, the Spirit over the waters, it denied any confusion of the substances, and by showing their arrangement it showed their distinction as well. It is utterly absurd, in short, that matter, which is presented as shapeless, should be asserted to be shapeless on the strength of the names of so many forms, without stating what that body of confusion is, which must surely be believed to be single, if it is shapeless. For what is shapeless is uniform; and what is shapeless through being confused out of variety must necessarily have a single appearance, since it lacks a distinct appearance so long as out of many it has (only) one. Besides, either matter had in itself these forms from whose names it was to be understood, I mean darkness and abyss and spirit and waters, or it did not. If it had them, how is it presented as having no forms? If it did not, (from what) is it recognized?
Chapter 31
31CSEL 47:159–160
Sed et illud utique captabitur, de caelo solo et de terra ista scripturam significasse, quod ea in principio deus fecerit, de speciebus autem supra dictis nihil tale, et ideo eas, quae factae non significentur, ad infectam materiam pertinere. respondebimus huic quoque scrupulo. scriptura diuina satis dissereret, si summas ipsas rerum a deo factas commendasset, caelum et terram, habentes utique suggestus suos proprios, qui in ipsis summis intellegi possent. suggestus autem caeli et terrae primo tunc fuerunt tenebrae et abyssus, [et] spiritus et aquae. nam terrae quidem suberant abyssus et tenebrae. si enim abyssus infra terram, tenebrae autem super abyssum, sine dubio et tenebrae et abyssus infra terram. caelo uero spiritus et aquae subiacebant. nam si aquae super terram. quae eam texerant, spiritus autem super aquas, pariter et spiritus et aquae super terram. quae uero super terram, ea utique infra caelum. et sicut terra abysso et tenebris, ita et caelum spiritui et aquis incubabat et complectebatur. et ita nouum non est, ut id solum, quod continet, nominetur. qua summale, in isto autem intellegatur et quod continetur, qua portionale. ecce, si dicam: ciuitas extruxit theatrum et circum; scaena autem erat talis et talis, et statuae super euripum, et oboliscus super omnia ferebatur: quia non et has species edixerim factas a ciuitate, non erunt ab ea cum circo et theatro? an ideo non adieci factas has quoque species. quia inerant eis, quae facta praedixeram, et inesse quibus inerant intellegi poterant? sed uacet hoc exemplum, ut humanum: aliud de auctoritate scripturae ipsius arripiam. fecit, inquit, deus hominem de terra et adflauit in faciem eius flatum uitae, et factus est homo in animam uiuam. faciem quidem eius hic nominat, sed nec ipsam factam a deo dixit, cutem uero et ossa et carnem et oculos et sudorem et sanguinem postea loquitur, quae nec tunc facta a deo significauit. quid respondebit Hermogenes? numquid et membra hominis ad materiam pertinebunt, quia non nominatim facta referuntur? an et haec in hominis factitatione censentur? proinde membra erant caeli et terrae abyssus et tenebrae, spiritus et aquae. in corporibus enim membra sunt facta, in corporibus et membra sunt nominata. nullum elementum non membrum est eius elementi, quo continetur. omnia autem elementa caelo aut terra continentur.
But this too will surely be seized on: that Scripture signified only of heaven and of this earth that God made them in the beginning, but said nothing of the kind about the forms named above, and that therefore these, not being signified as made, belong to unmade matter. We shall answer this scruple as well. Divine Scripture would have said enough if it commended the sum totals of things as made by God, heaven and earth, which of course had their own furnishings, which could be understood within those totals. Now the furnishings of heaven and earth at that first time were darkness and abyss, spirit and waters. For the abyss and the darkness lay under the earth: if the abyss was below the earth, and darkness over the abyss, then without doubt both darkness and abyss were below the earth. But the spirit and the waters lay beneath heaven: if the waters that had covered the earth were over the earth, and the spirit over the waters, then spirit and waters alike were over the earth; and what is over the earth is surely below heaven. And as the earth lay upon the abyss and darkness, so heaven brooded over the spirit and the waters and embraced them. So it is nothing new that only what contains should be named, as the whole, and that in it what is contained should also be understood, as the part. See, if I say: “The city built a theatre and a circus; but the stage was of such and such a kind, and statues stood over the channel, and an obelisk towered over all”; because I have not declared that these features too were made by the city, will they not have been made by it together with the circus and the theatre? Did I not leave out that these features too were made precisely because they were part of the things I had said were made, and could be understood to be in the things of which they were part? But let this example go, as merely human; I shall seize another from the authority of Scripture itself. “God,” it says, “made man from the earth and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” Here it names his face, yet it did not say that even this was made by God; and it speaks later of skin and bones and flesh and eyes and sweat and blood, which it did not signify were made by God at that time. What will Hermogenes answer? Will the members of man also belong to matter, because they are not reported by name as made? Or are they too counted in the making of man? In the same way, the abyss and darkness, spirit and waters were members of heaven and earth. For in bodies the members were made; in bodies the members are also named. There is no element that is not a member of the element by which it is contained; and all elements are contained by heaven or by earth.
Chapter 32
32CSEL 47:160–162
Haec responderim pro scriptura praesenti, quatenus hic solorum corporum factitationem commendare uidetur caeli et terrae. sciit esse, qui ultro in corporibus et membra cognoscerent, et ideo compendio usa est prouidit tamen et hebetes et insidiosos, qui dissimulato tacito intellectu ipsis quoque membris uerbum factitationis significatorium exigerent. itaque et propter istos singulas species factas docet aliis in locis. habes Sophiam prior autem abysso genita sum dicentem. ut credas abyssum quoque genitam, id est factam, quia et filios facimus, licet generemus. nihil interest facta an nata sit abyssus, dum initium detur illi,. quod non daretur, si materiae [subiciatur] esset. de tenebris uero ipse dominus per Esaiam: ego, qui struxi lucem et feci tenebras. de spiritu aeque Amos: qui solidat tonitruum et condit spiritum et adnuntiat in homines Christum suum, eum spiritum conditum ostendens, qui in terras conditas deputabatur, qui super aquas ferebatur, librator et adflator et animator uniuersitatis. non.. ut quidam putant, ipsum deum significari spiritum, quia deus spiritus; neque enim aquae dominum sustinere sufficerent. sed eum spiritum dicit, de quo etiam uenti constiterunt, ut ait per Esaiam: quia spiritus a me exiuit, et flatum omnem ego feci. item de aquis eadem Sophia: et quomodo firmos ponebat fontes quae sub caelo. ego eram modulans cum ipso. cum uero et eas species probamus a deo factas, etsi in Genesi tantummodo nominantur sine factitationis mentione, respondebitur fortasse ex diuerso plane factas eas. sed ex materia. ut stilus, quidem Moysei: et tenebrae super abyssum et spiritus dei super aquas ferebatur materiam (ipsam)sonet. ceterae uero scripturae quae ex materia factae sunt species in disperso demonstrent. ergo sicut terra de terra, ita et abyssus ex abysso, et tenebrae ex tenebris, et spiritus et aquae ex spiritu et aquis constiterunt? at, sicut supra diximus, non potuit informis fuisse materia, (si) species habebat; *** ut et aliae ex eis sint confectae; nisi quod non aliae, sed ipsae ex semetipsis, - siquidem non capit diuersas fuisse quae iisdem nominibus eduntur — quo iam et operatio diuina otiosa uideri possit, si quae erant fecit, cum generosior esset, quae non erant [facta quam si fierent. igitur ut concludam: aut materiam tunc significauit Moyses scribens: et tenebrae super abyssum et spiritus dei super aquas ferebatur, - at cum hae species alibi postea demonstrantur factae a deo, debuerunt aeque demonstrari ex materia, quam Moyses praemiserat, factae — aut si species istas et non materiam significauit Moyses, ubi materia demonstrata sit quaero.
This is my answer as regards the present Scripture, insofar as it seems here to commend the making only of the bodies of heaven and earth. It knew there would be those who would readily recognize the members within the bodies, and so it used brevity; yet it also foresaw the dull and the insidious, who, disregarding the tacit understanding, would demand for the members themselves as well a word signifying their making. So, because of these people too, it teaches in other places that the individual forms were made. You have Wisdom saying, “I was begotten before the abyss,” so that you may believe that the abyss too was begotten, that is, made, since we too “make” sons, though we beget them. It makes no difference whether the abyss was made or born, provided a beginning is granted to it, which would not be granted if it were of matter. Of darkness the Lord himself says through Isaiah: “I who built the light and made the darkness.” Of the spirit likewise Amos: “who strengthens the thunder and creates the spirit, and announces to men his Christ,” showing that the spirit was created which was reckoned together with the created earth, which was borne over the waters, the balancer and breather and animator of the universe; not, as some think, that God himself is signified by “spirit” because God is spirit; for the waters would not have been able to bear their Lord. But he means that spirit of which the winds too consist, as he says through Isaiah: “For the spirit went forth from me, and every breath I made.” Likewise of the waters the same Wisdom says: “And when he set firm the fountains of what is under heaven, I was keeping measure with him.” But when we prove that these forms too were made by God, even though in Genesis they are only named, without mention of their making, the other side will perhaps answer that they were indeed made, but from matter; so that Moses' wording, “And darkness was over the abyss and the Spirit of God was borne over the waters,” speaks of matter (itself), while the other Scriptures show here and there the forms that were made from matter. So then, just as earth came from earth, did the abyss likewise consist of abyss, darkness of darkness, and spirit and waters of spirit and waters? But, as we said above, matter could not have been shapeless (if) it had forms; … so that other things should also be made from them; unless they were not other things but the same things made from themselves, since things given the same names cannot have been different; in which case the divine work might now seem idle, if he made things that already existed, when it would be nobler (to make) things that did not exist. So, to conclude: either Moses signified matter when he wrote, “And darkness was over the abyss and the Spirit of God was borne over the waters”; but then, since these forms are afterwards shown elsewhere to have been made by God, they ought equally to have been shown to be made from the matter which Moses had set down first; or, if Moses signified these forms and not matter, I ask where matter has been shown.
Chapter 33
33CSEL 47:162–163
Sed dum illam Hermogenes inter colores suos inuenit, — inter scripturas enim dei inuenire non potuerit — satis est, quod omnia et facta a deo constat et ex materia facta non constat. quae etiam si fuisset, ipsam quoque a deo factam credidissemus, quia nihil innatum praeter deum praescribentes obtineremus. in hunc usque articulum locus est retractatui, donec ad scripturas prouocata deficiat exhibitio materiae. expedita summa est: nihil inuenio factum nisi ex nihilo, quia quod factum inuenio non fuisse cognosco. etiamsi quid ex aliquo factum est, ex facto habet censum, ut ex terra herba et fructus et pecudes et figuratio hominis ipsius, ut ex aquis natatiles et uolatiles animae. huiusmodi origines [rerum ex his prolatarum] potero materias appellare, sed factas a deo et ipsas.
But since Hermogenes found matter among his own paints (for he could not have found it among the Scriptures of God), it is enough that all things are agreed to have been made by God and are not agreed to have been made from matter. Even if matter had existed, we would have believed that it too was made by God, since we would hold to our rule that nothing is unborn except God. Up to this point there is room for discussion, until the production of matter, when challenged to appeal to the Scriptures, fails. The sum is settled: I find nothing made except from nothing, because what I find made I know did not exist before. Even when something is made from something, it takes its rating from a thing that was made, as from the earth come grass and fruit and cattle and the form of man himself, and from the waters the swimming and flying creatures. Such origins I may call “matters”, but they too were made by God.
Chapter 34
34CSEL 47:163–164
Ceterum omne ex nihilo constitisse illa postremo diuina dispositio suadebit, quae omnia in nihilum redactura est. siquidem et caelum conuoluetur ut liber, immo nusquam fiet cum ipsa terra, cum qua primordio factum est: caelum et terra praeteribunt, inquit; caelum primum et terra prima abierunt, et locus non est inuentus illis, quia scilicet quod finit et locum amittit. sic et Dauid: opera manuum tuarum caeli; et ipsi peribunt. sed et si mutabit illos uelut opertorium, et mutabuntur, et mutari perire est pristino statui, quem, dum mutantur, amittunt. et stellae quidem de caelo ruent, sicut fici arbor cum ualido commota uento acerba sua amittit, montes uero tamquam cera liquescent a conspectu domini, cum surrexerit scilicet confringere terram. sed et paludes, inquit, arefaciam, et quaerent aquam nec inuenient; etiam mare hactenus. quae omnia et si aliter putauerit [spiritaliter] interpretanda, non tamen poterit auferre ueritatem ita futurorum, quomodo scripta sunt. si quae enim figurae sunt, ex rebus consistentibus fiant necesse est, non ex uacantibus, quia nihil potest ad similitudinem de suo praestare, nisi sit ipsum, quod tali similitudini praestet. reuertor igitur ad causam, definiens omnia ex nihilo edita (ut) in nihilum peruentura. ex aeterno enim, id est ex materia, nihil deus interibile fecisset. nec ex maioribus minora condidisset cui magis congruat ex minoribus maiora producere, id est ex interibili aeternum, quod et carni nostrae pollicetur, cuius uirtutis et potestatis suae hunc iam arrabonem uoluit in nobis collocasse, ut credamus illum etiam uniuersitatem ex nihilo, uelut emortuam, quae scilicet non erat, in hoc, ut esset, suscitasse.
Besides, that final dispensation of God, which will bring all things back to nothing, will persuade us that everything came into being from nothing. For heaven too will be rolled up like a book; indeed it will be nowhere, together with the earth itself, with which it was made in the beginning. “Heaven and earth will pass away,” he says; “the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and no place was found for them,” because, evidently, what ends also loses its place. So David too: “The heavens are the works of your hands, and they will perish.” And though he will change them like a covering, and they will be changed, to be changed is to perish from their former state, which they lose in being changed. And the stars will fall from heaven, as a fig tree shaken by a strong wind loses its unripe figs; and the mountains will melt like wax before the face of the Lord, when he rises, that is, to shatter the earth. “And I will dry up the pools,” he says, “and they will seek water and not find it”; and the sea too will be no more. Although someone may think all these things are to be interpreted otherwise, he will not be able to take away the truth of their coming to pass just as they are written. For if there are figures here, they must be made from things that exist, not from empty ones, because nothing can furnish a likeness from itself unless it is itself something that can furnish such a likeness. I return, then, to the case, and define that all things brought forth from nothing (are) to come to nothing. For from what is eternal, that is, from matter, God would have made nothing perishable. Nor would he have created lesser things from greater, he to whom it is more fitting to produce greater things from lesser, that is, the eternal from the perishable. This he also promises to our flesh; and he has willed to place in us already this pledge of his power and might, so that we may believe that he also raised up the universe from nothing, as though from death, since it did not exist, in order that it might exist.
Chapter 35
35CSEL 47:164–165
De cetero uero statu materiae etsi non est retractandum, — prius enim erat, ut eam esse constaret - tamen acsi constiterit, persequendus est ordo, quo magis eam non esse constet, cuius nec reliquus status consistat, simul ut contrarietates suas agnoscat Hermogenes. prima, inquit, facie uidetur nobis corporalis esse materia; exquisita autem ratione recta inuenitur neque corporalis neque incorporalis. quae est ista ratio recta, quae nihil recti renuntiat, id est nihil certi? nisi fallor enim, omnis res aut corporalis sit necesse est aut incorporalis, ut concedam interim esse aliquid incorporale, de substantiis dumtaxat, cum ipsa substantia corpus sit rei cuiusque. certe post corporale et incorporale nihil tertium. age nunc sit et tertium, quod illa recta ratio Hermogeniana compererit, quae neque corporalem neque incorporalem materiam facit: ubi est? quale est? quid uocatur? quid describitur? quid intellegitur? (an) tantum hoc ratio renuntiauit, nec corporalem materiam nec incorporalem?
As to the further condition of matter, although it need not be discussed (for the first thing was to establish that it exists), nevertheless, as though that had been established, the sequence must be followed, so that it may be all the more established that matter does not exist, since even its further condition does not hold together, and at the same time so that Hermogenes may recognize his own contradictions. “At first sight,” he says, “matter seems to us to be bodily; but when examined by right reason it is found to be neither bodily nor incorporeal.” What is this right reason that reports nothing right, that is, nothing certain? For unless I am mistaken, every thing must be either bodily or incorporeal, granting for the moment that something incorporeal exists, at least among substances, since substance itself is the body of each thing. Certainly after bodily and incorporeal there is no third. Come now, let there be a third, which that right reason of Hermogenes has discovered, which makes matter neither bodily nor incorporeal: where is it? what is it like? what is it called? how is it described? how is it understood? (Or) has reason reported only this, that matter is neither bodily nor incorporeal?
Chapter 36
36CSEL 47:165–166
Sed ecce contrarium subicit, aut alia fortasse ratio ei occurrit, ex parte corporalem renuntians materiam et ex parte incorporalem. iam ergo ne neutrum sit, utrumque materia censenda est? erit enim corporalis et incorporalis, aduersus renuntiationem rectae rationis illius, plane rationem non reddentis sententiae suae, sicut nec alia reddit. corporale enim materiae uult esse, de quo corpora edantur, incorporale uero inconditum motum eius. si enim, ait, corpus tantummodo esset, nihil ei incorporale appareret, id est motus; si uero in totum incorporalis fuisset, nullum corpus ex ea fieret). quanto haec rectior ratio! nisi quod, si tam rectas lineas ducis, Hermogenes, quam ratiocinaris, pictor te bardior non est. quis enim tibi concedit motum in secundam partem substantiae deputare, cum substantiua res non sit, quia nec corporalis, sed accidens, si forte, substantiae et corpori, ut actus et pulsus, ut lapsus et casus, ita et motus. nam siue (ab alio siue) a semetipso quid mouetur, actus eius est motus, certe pars substantiae non est, sicut tu motum substantiam facis materiae incorporalem. omnia denique mouentur aut a semetipsis, ut animalia, aut ab aliis, ut inanimalia; tamen nec hominem nec lapidem et corporalem et incorporalem dicemus. quia et corpus habeat et motum, sed unam omnibus formam solius corporalitatis, quae substantiae res est. si qua incorporalia eis adsunt, aut actus aut passiones aut officia aut libidines eorum, non portiones deputamus. quo ergo facit portionem materiae in motum disponere. qui non ad substantiam pertinet, sed ad substantiae habitum? quid enim, si immobilem placuisset tibi inducere materiam, numquid immobilitas secunda pars formae uideretur? sic itaque nec motus. sed de motu et alibi licebit.
But see, he puts forward the contrary, or perhaps another reason occurred to him, reporting matter to be partly bodily and partly incorporeal. So then, lest it be neither, must matter be reckoned both? It will be bodily and incorporeal, against the report of that right reason, which plainly gives no reason for its opinion, as it gives none for anything else. For he wants the bodily element of matter to be that from which bodies are produced, and the incorporeal element its disordered motion. “For if,” he says, “it were only body, nothing incorporeal would appear in it, that is, motion; but if it had been wholly incorporeal, no body would be made from it.” How much straighter this reason is! Except that, Hermogenes, if you draw lines as straight as you reason, no painter is duller than you. For who grants you to count motion as a second part of the substance, when it is not a substantial thing, since it is not bodily either, but an accident, if anything, of substance and body? Like action and impulse, like slipping and falling, so also motion. For whether a thing is moved (by another or) by itself, its motion is its action, certainly not a part of its substance, as you make motion the incorporeal substance of matter. In short, all things are moved either by themselves, like living creatures, or by others, like lifeless things; yet we shall not call a man or a stone both bodily and incorporeal because it has both body and motion, but we give to all one form, of bodiliness alone, which is the property of substance. If any incorporeal things belong to them, their actions or passions or functions or desires, we count them not as portions. How then does he come to assign a portion of matter to motion, which belongs not to substance but to the condition of substance? What if you had chosen to present matter as motionless? Would immobility seem a second part of its form? No more, then, is motion. But of motion there will be room to speak elsewhere too.
Chapter 37
37CSEL 47:166–168
Nunc enim uideo te ad illam rursus rationem reuerti, quae tibi nihil certi renuntiare consueuit. nam sicut nec corporalem nec incorporalem infers materiam, ita nec bonam nec malam adlegas et proinde superargumentans: si enim, inquis, esset bona, quae semper hoc fuerat non desideraret compositionem dei: si esset natura mala, non accepisset translationem in melius, nec quicquam compositionis suae adplicuisset illi deus, tali natura; in uacuum enim laborasset. uerba haec tua sunt, quorum te et alibi meminisse oportuerat, ne quid his contrarium inferres. sed quoniam de mali et boni ambiguitate super materiam in praeteritis aliquid retractauimus, nunc ad praesentem et solam propositionem et argumentationem tuam respondebo. nec dicam et hic te certum aliquid debuisse pronuntiasse, aut bonam aut malam aut tertium aliquid, sed nec hic quod tibi libuit pronuntiasse custodisse. rescindis enim quod pronuntiasti, nec bonam nec malam, quia, cum dicis: (si esset bona, non desideraret componi a deo, malam portendis, et cum adponis: (si esset mala natura, non admitteret in melius translationem, bonam subostendis. atque ita et boni et mali adfinem constituisti quam nec bonam nec malam pronuntiasti. ut autem et argumentationem, qua putasti te propositionem tuam confirmaturum, retundam, oppono etiam illud: si bona fuisset materia semper, quare non desiderasset in melius reformari? bonum non desiderat quod aut non optat aut non capit profectum, ut fiat de bono melius. aeque si mala natura fuisset, quare non potuerit a deo conuerti, ut a potentiore, ut ab eo, qui lapidum quoque naturam conuertere ualeat in filios Abrahae? nempe ergo non tantum comparas deum materiae sed et subicis, a quo natura materiae deuinci et edomari (in) melius potuisset. sed et quam hic non uis natura malam alibi te confessum negabis.
For now I see you returning to that reason which usually reports nothing certain to you. For just as you bring in matter as neither bodily nor incorporeal, so you allege it to be neither good nor evil, and you argue further in the same way: “For if it were good,” you say, “being what it always was, it would not desire God's ordering; if it were evil by nature, it would not have admitted a change for the better, nor would God have applied any of his ordering to it, since it was of such a nature; for he would have laboured in vain.” These are your words, which you ought to have remembered elsewhere too, so as not to put forward anything contrary to them. But since we have already discussed the ambiguity of evil and good in matter, I shall now answer only your present proposition and argument. I shall not say here too that you ought to have pronounced something certain, whether good or evil or some third thing, but that here you did not even keep to what you chose to pronounce. For you rescind what you pronounced, “neither good nor evil”: when you say, “If it were good, it would not desire to be ordered by God,” you suggest that it is evil; and when you add, “If it were evil by nature, it would not admit a change for the better,” you hint that it is good. And so you have made akin both to good and to evil the matter which you pronounced neither good nor evil. And to blunt the argument by which you thought you would confirm your proposition, I set this too against it: if matter had always been good, why would it not have desired to be reformed for the better? What is good does not desire progress only if it either does not wish for it or cannot receive it, so as to become better from good. Likewise, if it had been evil by nature, why could it not have been converted by God, as by one more powerful, by one able to convert even the nature of stones into sons of Abraham? Surely, then, you not only compare God with matter but even subject him to it, if by him the nature of matter could not be overcome and tamed (into) something better. And you will have to deny that elsewhere you confessed to be evil by nature the matter that here you will not have so.
Chapter 38
38CSEL 47:168–169
De situ materiae id tracto, quod et de modo peruersitatem tuam traducat. subiacentem facis deo materiam et utique locum. illi, qui sit infra deum. in loco ergo materia. si in loco, ergo intra locum: si intra locum, ergo determinatur a loco, intra quem est: si determinatur, habet lineam extremam, quam tu, quantum proprie pictor. agnoscis finem esse omni rei, cuius linea extrema est. non ergo erit infinita materia, quae, dum in loco est, a loco determinatur. et dum determinatur ab illo, extremam eum lineam patitur. at tu infinitam facis dicens: (infinita est autem eo, quod semper est. et si qui discipulorum tuorum uoluerit argumentari, quasi infinitam aeuo, non modo corporis intellegi uelis. atquin corporaliter infinitam, ut corporaliter immensam et incircumscriptam, sequentia ostendunt. unde, inquis, (nec tota fabricatur, sed partes eius. adeo corpore infinita, non tempore est, et obduceris corpore eam infinitam faciens, cum locum ei adscribens intra locum et extremam loci lineam includis. sed tamen cur non totam eam formauerit deus non scio, nisi qua aut inualidus aut inuidus. itaque dimidium eius, quae non tota formata sit, quaero. ut qualis tota fuerit agnoscam. debuerat enim deus ut exemplarium antiquitatis ad gloriam operis palam fecisse.
On the position of matter I raise this point, which will also expose your perversity about its extent. You make matter lie beneath God, and so you give it a place, one below God. Matter, then, is in a place. If in a place, then within a place; if within a place, then bounded by the place within which it is; if bounded, it has an outermost line, and you, being a painter by trade, recognize that every thing that has an outermost line has an end. Matter, then, will not be infinite, since, being in a place, it is bounded by the place, and being bounded by it, it receives from it an outermost line. But you make it infinite, saying: “But it is infinite in that it always exists.” And if any of your disciples wants to argue that you mean it to be understood as infinite in time, not in the measure of its body, yet what follows shows that you mean it to be infinite bodily, as bodily immeasurable and uncircumscribed. “Hence,” you say, “it is not wrought as a whole, but parts of it.” So it is infinite in body, not in time, and you are convicted of making it infinite in body, when, by ascribing a place to it, you shut it within a place and the outermost line of that place. Yet why God did not form the whole of it I do not know, unless because he was either weak or envious. So I look for the remainder of it, which was not formed, so that I may learn what the whole was like. For God ought to have displayed it openly, as a specimen of antiquity, to the glory of his work.
Chapter 39
39CSEL 47:169
Sit nunc definitiua, sicut rectius tibi uidetur, per demutationes suas et translationes, sit et comprehensibilis, 'ut quae fabricatur, inquis, a deo, et dispartibilis, quia et conuertibilis et demutabilis, - (demutationes enim eius, inquis, dispartibilem eam ostendunt: et hic a lineis tuis excidisti, quibus circa personam dei usus es, praescribens deum illam non ex semetipso fecisse, quia in partes uenire non posset qui sit aeternus et manens in aeuum ac per hoc immutabilis et indiuisibilis. si et materia eadem aeternitate censetur, neque initium habens neque finem, eadem ratione non poterit pati dispertitionem et demutationem, qua nec deus. in aeternitatis consortio posita participet cum illo necesse est et uires et leges et condiciones aeternitatis. aeque cum dicis: partes autem eius omnia simul ex omnibus habent, ut ex partibus totum dinoscatur, utique eas partes intellegi uis, quae ex illa prolatae sunt, quae hodie uidentur a nobis. quomodo ergo omnia ex omnibus habent, utique ex pristinis, quando quae hodie uidentur aliter habeant quam pristina fuerunt?.
Let matter now be definable, as seems more correct to you, through its changes and transformations; let it also be comprehensible, “as being wrought,” you say, “by God”; and divisible, since it is also convertible and changeable (“for its changes,” you say, “show it to be divisible”). Here too you have fallen away from the lines you drew concerning the person of God, when you laid down that God did not make matter from himself because he who is eternal and abides for ever, and is therefore immutable and indivisible, could not come into parts. If matter is rated by the same eternity, having neither beginning nor end, by the same reasoning it cannot undergo division and change, any more than God can. Placed in partnership with him in eternity, it must share with him the powers and laws and conditions of eternity. Likewise, when you say, “But its parts have all things together from all, so that the whole may be discerned from the parts,” surely you want us to understand those parts which were brought forth from it, which are seen by us today. How then do they have all things from all, from the original things, that is, when the things seen today are otherwise than the original ones were?
Chapter 40
40CSEL 47:169–170
Dicis in melius reformatam materiam, utique (de) deterioribus, et uis meliora deteriorum exemplarium ferre? confusa res erat, nunc uero composita est, et uis ex compositis incomposita praeberi? nulla res speculum est rei alterius, id est non coaequalis; nemo se apud tonsorem pro homine mulum inspexit, nisi si qui putat in hac extructione mundi dispositae iam et comptae informem et incultam materiam respondere. quid hodie informe in mundo, quid retro speciatum in materia, ut speculum sit mundus materiae? cum ornamenti nomine sit penes Graecos mundus, quomodo inornatae materiae imaginem praefert, ut dicas totum eius ex partibus cognosci? certe ex illo toto erit etiam hoc, quod non uenit in deformationem; et supra edidisti non totam eam fabricatam. igitur uel hoc rude et confusum et incompositum non potest in expolitis et distinctis et compositis recognosci, quae nec partes materiae appellari conuenit, cum a forma eius. ex mutatione diuisa, recesserunt.
You say that matter was reformed for the better, from (the) worse, surely; and do you want the better to reproduce the pattern of the worse? It was a confused thing, but now it is ordered; and do you want the unordered to be displayed by the ordered? Nothing is a mirror of another thing, that is, of a thing not its equal; no one at the barber's has seen himself in the glass as a mule instead of a man; unless someone thinks that in this construction of the world, now arranged and trimmed, the shapeless and unkempt matter is reflected. What is shapeless in the world today, what beauty was once seen in matter, that the world should be a mirror of matter? Since among the Greeks the world is named from ornament, how does it show the image of unadorned matter, so that you can say its whole is known from its parts? Certainly to that whole will belong also the part which did not come to be formed; and above you stated that it was not wrought as a whole. So this raw, confused, and disordered matter cannot be recognized in things polished, distinct, and ordered, which it is not even fitting to call parts of matter, since, divided from it by change, they have withdrawn from its form.
Chapter 41
41CSEL 47:170–172
Reuertor ad motum, ut ubique te lubricum ostendam: inconditus et confusus et turbulentus fuit materiae motus. sic enim et ollae undique ebullientis similitudinem opponis. et quomodo alibi alius a te adfirmatur? cum enim uis materiam nec bonam nec malam inducere: igitur.) inquis, subiacens materia, aequalis momenti habens motum neque ad bonum neque ad malum plurimum uertit. si aequalis momenti, iam non turbulentus (motus) nec caccabacius, sed compositus et temperatus, scilicet qui inter bonum et malum suo arbitrio agitatus, in neutram tamen partem pronus et praeceps, mediam, quod aiunt, aginam tenens aequilibrato impetu ferebatur. haec inquies non est, haec turbulentia et passiuitas non est, sed moderatio et modestia et iustitia motationis neutram (in) partem inclinantis. plane si huc et illuc aut in alterum magis proclinaret, tunc inconcinnitatis et inaequalitatis et turbulentiae denotari mereretur. porro si neque ad bonum neque ad malum pronior erat motus, utique inter bonum et malum agebatur, ut ex hoc quoque materiam determinabilem adpareat, cuius motus nec malo nec bono pronus, eo, quod in neutrum uertebat, inter utrumque ab utroque censebatur et hoc nomine ab utroque determinabatur. sed et bonum et malum in loco facis, cum dicis motum materiae in neutrum eorum fuisse propensum. materia enim, quae in loco erat, neque huc neque illuc deuergens in loca non deuergebat, in quibus erat bonum et malum. dans autem locum bono et malo corporalia ea facis, faciendo localia, quia quae locum habent prius est, ut corporalia sint. denique incorporalia proprium locum non habent, nisi in corpore cum corpori accidunt. (ad) bonum autem et malum non t deuergent materia ut aut corporalia aut localia non deuergebat. bonum ergo et malum erras si (non) substantias esse uis. substantias enim facis quibus loca adsignas; loca autem adsignas, cum materiae motum ab utraque regione suspendis.
I return to motion, to show you slippery everywhere. The motion of matter was disordered and confused and turbulent; for so you set against it the likeness of a pot boiling over on every side. And how is a different motion affirmed by you elsewhere? For when you want to present matter as neither good nor evil, you say: “So the underlying matter, having a motion of equal balance, did not turn much either toward good or toward evil.” If of equal balance, then the (motion) is no longer turbulent nor pot-like, but ordered and tempered: a motion that, moved by its own choice between good and evil, yet leaning and rushing toward neither side, was borne with balanced impulse, keeping, as they say, to the middle of the beam. This is not restlessness, this is not turbulence and passivity, but the moderation and modesty and justice of a movement inclining (to) neither side. Plainly, if it inclined this way and that, or more to one side, then it would deserve to be branded as awkward and unequal and turbulent. Further, if the motion was inclined neither to good nor to evil, it was surely moved between good and evil; so that from this too matter appears to be bounded, since its motion, inclined neither to evil nor to good, was, by turning toward neither, placed between both and measured by both, and on this score bounded by both. But you also put good and evil in a place, when you say the motion of matter was inclined toward neither of them. For matter, which was in a place, by inclining neither this way nor that, did not incline toward the places in which good and evil were. And by giving a place to good and evil you make them bodily by making them local, since what has a place must first be bodily. In short, incorporeal things have no place of their own, except in a body, when they befall a body. … So you are wrong if you do (not) want good and evil to be substances. For you make those things substances to which you assign places; and you assign places when you hold the motion of matter suspended between the two regions.
Chapter 42
42CSEL 47:172
Dispersisti omnia, ne de proximo quam contraria sibi sint relucerent. at ego colligam singula et conferam. inconditum adseueras motum materiae eamque adicis sectari informitatem; dehinc alibi, desiderare componi a deo. desiderat formationem quae sectatur informitatem? aut sectatur informitatem quae desiderat formationem? non uis uideri deum aequare materiae, et subicis habere illam cum deo communionem. (impossibile enim, inquis, non habentem illam commune aliquid cum deo ornari eam ab ipso. atquin, si commune aliquid habebat cum deo, non desiderabat exornari ab ipso. pars scilicet dei per communionem. aut et deus poterat ornari a materia, habendo cum illa aliquid et ipse commune. etiam in hoc necessitati subicis deum, si fuit aliquid in materia. propter quod eam formaret. commune autem inter illos facis, quod a semetipsis moueantur et semper moueantur. quid minus materiae quam deo adscribis? totum consortium diuinitatis hoc erit: libertas et aeternitas motus. sed deus composite, materia incondite mouetur. tamen diuinum proinde (utrumque), motu proinde libero et aeterno. atquin plus materiae das. cui licuit sic moueri, quomodo deo non licuit.
You have scattered everything, so that its self-contradiction might not shine out at close quarters. But I shall collect the pieces one by one and compare them. You assert that the motion of matter is disordered, and you add that it pursues shapelessness; then elsewhere, that it desires to be ordered by God. Does what pursues shapelessness desire formation? Or does what desires formation pursue shapelessness? You do not want to seem to make God equal to matter, and yet you add that it has communion with God: “For it is impossible,” you say, “that it should be adorned by him if it had nothing in common with God.” Yet if it had something in common with God, it did not need to be adorned by him, being, of course, a part of God through that communion; or else God too could be adorned by matter, since he too had something in common with it. In this too you subject God to necessity, if there was something in matter on account of which he formed it. And what you make common to them is that they are moved by themselves and are always moved. What less do you ascribe to matter than to God? This will be the whole partnership in divinity: freedom and eternity of motion. “But God moves in an ordered way, matter in a disordered way.” Yet (both) are equally divine, with motion equally free and eternal. Indeed you give more to matter, which was permitted to move in a way that God was not.
Chapter 43
43CSEL 47:172–173
De motu et illud notauerim. nam secundum ollae similitudinem: sic erat, inquis, materiae motus antequam disponeretur: concretus, inquietus, inadprehensibilis prae nimietate certaminis. dehinc subicis: (stetit autem in dei compositionem et adprehensibilem habuit inconditum motum pro tarditate inconditi motus. supra certamen motui adscribis hic tarditatem. iam de natura materiae quotiens cadas accipe. supra dicis: *si autem esset materia natura mala, non accepisset translationem in melius, nec deus aliquid compositionis accommodasset illi; in uacuum enim laborasset. finisti igitur duas sententias: nec materiam natura malam nec naturam eius a deo potuisse conuerti. horum immemor postea infers: at ubi accepit compositionem a deo et ornata est, cessauit a natura. si in bonum reformata est, utique de malo reformata est, et si per compositionem dei cessauit a natura, mali natura cessauit. ergo et mala fuit natura ante compositionem et desinere potuit a natura post reformationem.
About motion I would note this too. Following the likeness of the pot, you say: “Such was the motion of matter before it was arranged: thick, restless, ungraspable through the excess of its struggle.” Then you add: “But it stood still for God's ordering, and had its disordered motion graspable because of the slowness of the disordered motion.” Above you ascribe struggle to the motion, here slowness. Now hear how often you fall over the nature of matter. Above you say: “But if matter were evil by nature, it would not have admitted a change for the better, nor would God have fitted any ordering to it; for he would have laboured in vain.” You laid down, then, two propositions: that matter was not evil by nature, and that its nature could not have been converted by God. Forgetting these, you afterwards bring in: “But when it received ordering from God and was adorned, it ceased from its nature.” If it was reformed into good, it was certainly reformed from evil; and if through God's ordering it ceased from its nature, it ceased from a nature of evil. Therefore it was both evil by nature before its ordering, and could depart from its nature after its reformation.
Chapter 44
44CSEL 47:173–174
Sed et qualiter operatum facias deum, sequitur ut ostendam. plane a philosophis recedis; sed tamen et a prophetis. Stoici enim uolunt deum sic per materiam decucurrisse, quomodo mel per fauos. at tu non, inquis, (pertransiens illam facit mundum, sed solummodo apparens et adpropinquans ei, sicut facit quid decor solummodo apparens et magnes lapis solummodo adpropinquans. quid simile deus fabricans mundum et decor uulnerans animum aut magnes attrahens ferrum? nam etsi apparuit deus materiae, sed non uulnerauit illam, quod decor animum, etsi adpropinquauit, sed non cohaesit illi, quod magnes ferro. puta nunc exempla tua competere: certe si apparendo et adpropinquando materiae fecit ex illa deus mundum, utique ex quo apparuit fecit et ex quo adpropinquauit. ergo quando non fecerat retro, nec apparuerat illi nec appropinquauerat. et cui credibile est deum non apparuisse materiae, uel qua consubstantiali suae per aeternitatem? ab ea longe fuisse quem credimus ubique esse et ubique apparere, cui etiam inanimalia et incorporalia laudes canunt apud Danihelem? quantus hic locus, in quo deus a materia tantum distabat, ut neque appareret neque adpropinquaret ante mundi molitionem? credo, peregrinatus est ad illam de longinquo, cum primum ei uoluit apparere et adpropinquare.
But it follows that I should also show how you make God work. Plainly you part company with the philosophers, but with the prophets as well. For the Stoics want God to have run through matter as honey runs through the combs. But you say: “He makes the world not by passing through matter, but only by appearing and drawing near to it, as beauty does something merely by appearing, and the magnet stone merely by drawing near.” What likeness is there between God fashioning the world and beauty wounding the mind, or a magnet attracting iron? For even if God appeared to matter, he did not wound it as beauty wounds the mind; even if he drew near, he did not cling to it as the magnet to iron. Suppose now that your examples fit: surely, if God made the world from matter by appearing and drawing near to it, he made it from the moment he appeared and drew near. So before, when he had not yet made it, he had neither appeared to it nor drawn near to it. And who can believe that God had not appeared to matter, even as a thing consubstantial with himself through eternity? That he was far from it, he whom we believe to be everywhere and to appear everywhere, to whom even lifeless and incorporeal things sing praises in Daniel? How great was this space, in which God was so far from matter that he neither appeared to it nor drew near before the building of the world? I suppose he travelled to it from afar when he first chose to appear and draw near to it.
Chapter 45
45CSEL 47:174–177
At enim prophetae et apostoli non ita tradunt mundum a deo factum, apparente solummodo et adpropinquante materiae, quia nec materiam ullam nominauerunt, sed primo sophiam conditam, initium uiarum in opera ipsius, dehinc et sermonem prolatum, per quem omnia facta sunt et sine quo factum est nihil. denique sermone eius caeli confirmati sunt et spiritu ipsius uniuersae uirtutes eorum. haec est dei dextra et manus ambae, per quas operatus est atque molitus est: opera enim manuum tuarum, inquit, caeli, per quas et mensus est: mensus est ** caelum et palmo terram. noli ita deo adulari, ut uelis illum solo uisu et solo accessu tot ac tantas substantias protulisse et non propriis uiribus instituisse. sic enim et Hieremias commendat: deus, faciens terram in ualentia sua, parans orbem in intellegentia sua, et suo sensu extendit caelos. haec sunt uires eius, quibus enixus totum hoc condidit. maior est gloria eius, si laborauit. denique septima die requieuit ab operibus. utrumque suo more. aut si apparens solummodo et adpropinquans fecit hunc mundum, numquid, cum fecerat, desiit rursus apparere et adpropinquare cessauit? atquin magis apparere coepit et ubique conueniri deus, ex quo factus est mundus. uides ergo, quemadmodum operatione dei uniuersa consistunt, ualentia facientis terram, intellegentia parantis orbem et sensu extendentis caelum, non apparentis solummodo nec adpropinquantis sed adhibentis tantos animi sui nisus, sophiam ualentiam sensum sermonem spiritum uirtutem, quae illi non erant necessaria, ut adparendo tantummodo et adpropinquando praefectus fuisset. haec autem, non materiae nescio quae sensualia sed ipsius, sunt inuisibilia eius. quae secundum apostolum ab institutione mundi factis eius conspiciuntur. quis enim cognouit sensum domini? de quo exclamat: (o) profundum diuitiarum et sophiae, ut (in)inuentibilia iudicia eius et (in)inuestigabiles uiae eius! quid haec magis sapiunt quam: ut ex nihilo omnia facta sunt! quo nec inueniri nec inuestigari nisi soli deo possunt, alioquin inuestigabilia, si ex materia. [sunt inuestigata et non inuenta.] igitur in quantum constitit materiam nullam fuisse, ex hoc etiam, quod nec talem competat fuisse, qualis inducitur, in tantum probatur omnia a deo ex nihilo facta.... nisi quod Hermogenes eundem statum describendo materiae, quo est ipse, inconditum, confusum, turbulentum, ancipitis et praecipitis et feruidi motus, documentum artis suae dum ostendit, ipse (se) pinxit.
But the prophets and apostles do not teach that the world was made by God in this way, by his merely appearing and drawing near to matter, for they named no matter at all; but that first Wisdom was created, the beginning of his ways for his works, and then the Word was brought forth, through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. Indeed, “By his Word the heavens were made firm, and by his Spirit all their powers.” This is God's right hand, and both his hands, through which he worked and built: “For the heavens,” it says, “are the works of your hands”; with them he also measured: “he measured … the heaven, and the earth with his span.” Do not flatter God by wanting him to have brought forth so many and such great substances by mere sight and mere approach, and not to have established them by his own powers. For so Jeremiah too commends him: “God, making the earth in his strength, preparing the world in his understanding; and by his mind he stretched out the heavens.” These are his powers, by exerting which he founded this whole. His glory is the greater if he laboured. At last on the seventh day he rested from his works: both after his own fashion. Or if he made this world merely by appearing and drawing near, did he, once he had made it, cease again to appear, and stop drawing near? On the contrary, from the time the world was made God began all the more to appear and to be met everywhere. You see, then, how all things consist by the working of God: by the strength of him who makes the earth, the understanding of him who prepares the world, and the mind of him who stretches out heaven; of one not merely appearing or drawing near, but applying such great exertions of his mind, wisdom, strength, mind, Word, spirit, power, which would not have been necessary for him if he had accomplished it merely by appearing and drawing near. These things, not some sensible properties of matter but his own, are his invisible things, which, according to the apostle, are seen from the creation of the world through the things he made. For “who has known the mind of the Lord?” Of which he exclaims: “O the depth of the riches and of the wisdom! How unsearchable are his judgements and inscrutable his ways!” What do these words savour of more than that all things were made from nothing? These things cannot be found or searched out except by God alone; otherwise, if they were from matter, they would be searchable. So, to the extent that it has been established that no matter existed (from this too, that it could not have been such as it is presented), to that extent it is proved that all things were made by God from nothing. … Except that Hermogenes, in describing a condition of matter just like his own, disordered, confused, turbulent, of uncertain, headlong, and feverish motion, has, while displaying a specimen of his art, painted (his own) portrait.