Against Celsus 8.28

Summary: Celsus says Christians should either abstain from all meat like Pythagoras, or admit that all food, drink, and air come from demons; Origen notes that Scripture itself commends abstaining from meat for a brother's sake.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:243–244

Ἐκθέμενοι δὲ καὶ τὴν ἑξῆς λέξιν φέρε πάλιν κατὰ δύναμιν αὐτὴν ἐξετάσωμεν οὕτως ἔχουσαν· εἰ μὲν δὴ κατά τι πάτριον ἱερείων τινῶν ἀπέχονται τῶν τοιῶνδε, πάντως ἀφεκτέον καὶ ζῴων ἁπάντων βρώσεως· ᾗ περ καὶ Πυθαγόρᾳ δοκεῖ, ψυχὴν τιμῶντι καὶ τὰ ταύτης ὄργανα. εἰ δʼ. ὅπερ φασὶν, ὅπως μὴ συνεστιῶνται δαίμοσι. μακαρίζω τῆς σοφίας αὐτοὺς. ὅτι βραδέως συνιᾶσιν ὄντες ἀεὶ συνέστιοι δαιμόνων· καὶ τότε δὴ μόνον φυλάσσονται τοῦτο, ὁπόταν ἱερεῖον θυόμενον βλέπωσιν· ὅταν δὲ σῖτον ἐσθίωσι καὶ οἶνον πίνωσι καὶ ἀκροδρύων γεύωνται καὶ αὐτὸ ὕδωρ καὶ αὐτὸν ἀέρα ἀναπνέωσιν, οὐκ ἄρα παρά τινων δαιμόνων ἕκαστα τούτων λαμβάνουσιν, οἷς κατὰ μέρη τὸ ἐπιμελὲς ἑκάστῳ προστέτακται; οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως ἐν τούτοις ἔδοξεν αὐτῷ ἀκολουθεῖν δεῖν ἀπέχεσθαι πάντων ζῴων βρώσεως τοὺς, οὓς ὠνόμασε κατά τι πάτριον ἔθος ἱερείων τινῶν ἀπεχομένους. καὶ οὐ τοῦτό φαμεν, ὡς καὶ μὴ τοιαῦτα ὑποβάλλοντος τοῦ θείου λόγου, καὶ τοῦ ἀσφαλεστέρου βίου καὶ καθαρωτέρου ἕνεκεν εἰπόντος· „καλὸν τὸ μὴ φαγεῖν κρέα μηδὲ πιεῖν οἶνον μηδὲ ἐν ᾧ ὁ ἀδελφός σου προσκόπτει“ καὶ πάλιν· „μὴ τῷ βρώματί σου ἐκεῖνον ἀπόλλυε, ὑπὲρ οὗ Χριστὸς ἀπέθανε, “ καὶ πάλιν· „εἰ σκανδαλίζει τὸν ἀδελφόν μου κρέα, οὐ μὴ φάγω κρέα εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα, ἵνα μὴ τὸν ἀδελφόν μου σκανδαλίσω.“

English · Claude translation

Having set out his next statement too, come, let us again examine it as well as we can. It runs thus: “If in keeping with some ancestral custom they abstain from certain such sacrificial victims, then they must abstain entirely from eating all animals, as Pythagoras too thought, honouring the soul and its organs. But if, as they say, it is so as not to feast with demons, I congratulate them on their wisdom, that they are slow to understand that they are always table-companions of demons. And they guard against this only when they see a victim being sacrificed; but when they eat bread and drink wine and taste fruits, and drink water itself and breathe the air itself, do they not receive each of these from certain demons, to each of whom the care of each part has been assigned?” I do not know how it seemed to him to follow from this that those whom he described as abstaining from certain victims in keeping with some ancestral custom must abstain from eating all animals. We do not say this, as though the divine Word did not also suggest such things, saying, for the sake of a safer and purer life, “It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything by which your brother stumbles,” and again, “Do not by your food destroy him for whom Christ died,” and again, “If meat makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, so that I may not make my brother stumble.”

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Source
Koetschau 2:243–244 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Scripture
Topics
Ethics, Fasting

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are Rom 14:21, Rom 14:15, and 1 Cor 8:13.

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Origen, Cels. 8.28 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/28/).

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Origen, Cels. 8.28 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/28/).

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