Against Celsus 6.62

Summary: God has no literal mouth or voice; his “voice” is perceived spiritually, and none of our categories fit him, for, as the prophets say, God does not change.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:132–133

Πάλιν τε αὖ ὁ Κέλσος τάχα μὲν παρακούσας τοῦ „τὸ γὰρ στόμα κυρίου ἐλάλησε ταῦτα“ τάχα δὲ καὶ τῶν ἰδιωτῶν προπετευσαμένων περὶ τῆς τῶν τοιούτων διηγήσεως, μὴ νοήσας τε, ἐπὶ τίνων τάσσεται τὰ ὀνόμασι σωματικῶν μελῶν ἐπὶ τῶν δυνάμεων τοῦ θεοῦ λεγόμενα, φησίν· οὐδὲ στόμα αὐτῷ ἐστιν οὐδὲ φωνή. ἀληθῶς γὰρ οὐκ ἔσται τῷ θεῷ φωνὴ, εἴπερ ἐστὶν ἡ φωνὴ ἀὴρ πεπληγμένος ἢ πληγὴ ἀέρος ἢ εἶδος ἀέρος ἢ ὅ τι δήποτε ὁρίζονται εἶναι τὴν φωνὴν οἱ περὶ ταῦτα δεινοί· ἀλλʼ ἡ λεγομένη φωνὴ θεοῦ ὡς θεοῦ φωνὴ ὁρᾶσθαι λέγεται ὑπὸ τοῦ λαοῦ ἐν τῷ „πᾶς ὁ λαὸς ἑώρα τὴν φωνὴν τοῦ θεοῦ, “ τοῦ ὁρᾶσθαι λαμβανομένου, ἵνα κατὰ τὴν συνήθειαν ὀνομάσω τῆς γραφῆς, πνευματικῶς. ἀλλʼ οὐδʼ ἄλλο φησὶν εἶναι τῷ θεῷ ὧν ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν· τίνων δʼ ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν, οὐ σαφηνίζει. εἰ μὲν γὰρ μελῶν, σύμφαμεν αὐτῷ προσυπακούοντες ὧν ἴσμεν σωματικῶς καὶ κοινότερον ὀνομαζομένων· εἰ δὲ καθόλου ἀκούοιμεν· τοῦ ὧν ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν, πολλῶν ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν ἐξακουομένου· ἔστι γὰρ αὐτῷ ἀρετὴ καὶ μακαριότης καὶ θειότης. εἰ δέ τις ἀκούοι ὑψηλότερον τοῦ ὧν ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν, ἐπεὶ πάντα ἃ ἴσμεν ἐλάττονά ἐστι τοῦ θεοῦ· οὐδὲν ἄτοπον καὶ ἡμᾶς παραδέξασθαι ὅτι οὐδέν ἐστι τῷ θεῷ ὧν ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν. κρείττονα γάρ ἐστι πάντων ὧν οἶδεν οὐ μόνη ἡ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου φύσις ἀλλὰ καὶ τῶν ὑπεραναβεβηκότων αὐτὴν τὰ προσόντα τῷ θεῷ. εἰ δʼ ἀνεγνώκει τὰς τῶν προφητῶν λέξεις, τοῦ μὲν Δαυῒδ λέγοντος· „σὺ δὲ ὁ αὐτὸς εἶ, “ τοῦ δὲ Μαλαχίου οἶμαι· „καὶ οὐκ ἠλλοίωμαι, “ ἑώρα ἂν ὅτι οὐδεὶς ἡμῶν φησιν εἶναι μεταβολὴν ἐν τῷ θεῷ οὔτʼ ἔργῳ οὔτʼ ἐπινοίᾳ. μένων γὰρ „ὁ αὐτὸς“ διοικεῖ τὰ μεταβλητὰ, ὡς πέφυκε, καὶ λόγος αὐτοῦ αἱρεῖ διοικεῖσθαι αὐτά.

English · Claude translation

And again Celsus, perhaps having misunderstood “For the mouth of the Lord has spoken these things,” or perhaps because unlearned people have been rash in explaining such things, and not understanding to what the terms for bodily members applied to the powers of God refer, says: Neither has he a mouth nor a voice. Truly God will have no voice, if voice is air that has been struck, or a striking of air, or a form of air, or whatever those skilled in these matters define voice to be. But what is called the voice of God is said, as the voice of God, to be seen by the people in the words “All the people saw the voice of God,” the seeing being understood, to use the customary language of Scripture, spiritually. He says also that God has nothing else of what we know; but he does not make clear of what things we know. If he means members, we agree with him, understanding “of what we know” as the things named in a bodily and more common sense. But if we take “of what we know” in general, since we know many things, then he has virtue, blessedness, and divinity. And if one takes “of what we know” in a loftier sense, since all that we know is less than God, there is nothing absurd in our too accepting that God has nothing of what we know. For the attributes of God are greater than everything known not only to human nature but also to the beings that have risen above it. If he had read the words of the prophets, David saying, “But you are the same,” and, I think, Malachi, “and I have not changed,” he would have seen that none of us says there is any change in God, either in act or in thought. For remaining “the same” he governs changeable things according to their nature, and his reason chooses to govern them so.

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Source
Koetschau 2:132–133 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Scripture
Topics
Scripture and canon

Notes

Translation notes

  • The passages are Isa 1:20, Exod 20:18 LXX (the people “saw the voice”), Ps 102:27 (101:28 LXX), and Mal 3:6.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing accent in the digital text): ἑώρα αν ὅτι → ἑώρα ἂν ὅτι.

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Origen, Cels. 6.62 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/62/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 6.62 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/62/).

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