Against Celsus 4.61
Summary: If nothing born of matter is immortal, then the world is either not born of matter or not immortal; either way Celsus's position leads to contradictions he cannot resolve.
Greek text · Koetschau 1:332–333
Φησὶ δʼ ὅτι καὶ ὕλης ἔκγονον οὐδὲν ἀθάνατον. καὶ πρὸς τοῦτο λελέξεται ὅτι, εἴπερ ὕλης οὐδὲν ἔκγονον ἀθάνατον, ἤτοι ἀθάνατος ὅλος ὁ κόσμος καὶ οὐχ ὡς ὕλης ἐστὶν ἔκγονον ἢ οὐδʼ αὐτὸς χρῆμά ἐστιν ἀθάνατον. εἰ μὲν οὖν ἀθάνατος ὁ κόσμος, ὅπερ ἀρέσκει καὶ τοῖς θεοῦ ἔργον εἰποῦσι μόνην τὴν ψυχὴν καὶ ἀπό τινος αὐτὴν κρατῆρος γεγονέναι λέγουσι. δεικνύτω ὁ Κέλσος οὐκ ἐξ ὕλης ἀποίου αὐτὸν γεγονέναι, τηρῶν τὸ ὕλης ἔκγονον οὐδὲν ἀθάνατον· εἰ δʼ, ἐπεὶ ὕλης ἔκγονόν ἐστιν ὁ κόσμος, οὐκ ἔστιν ἀθάνατον ὁ κόσμος· θνητὸν ὁ κόσμος ἆρʼ οὖν καὶ φθειρόμενον ἢ μή; εἰ μὲν γὰρ φθειρόμενον, ὡς θεοῦ ἔργον ἔσται φθειρόμενον· εἶτʼ ἐν τῇ φθορᾷ τοῦ κόσμου τὸ ἔργον τοῦ θεοῦ ἡ ψυχὴ τί ποιήσει. λεγέτω ὁ Κέλσος· εἰ δὲ διαστρέφων τὴν ἔννοιαν τοῦ ἀθανάτου φήσει τῷ φθαρτῷ μὲν οὐ φθειρομένῳ δὲ ἀθάνατον αὐτὸν εἶναι, ὡς δεκτικὸν μὲν θανάτου οὐ μὴν δὲ καὶ ἀποθνῄσκοντα. δῆλον ὅτι ἔσται τι κατʼ ἐκεῖνον θνητὸν ἅμα καὶ ἀθάνατον τῷ ἀμφοτέρων εἶναι δεκτικὸν, καὶ ἔσται θνητὸν οὐκ ἀποθνῇσκον, καὶ τὸ οὐ τῇ φύσει ἀθάνατον παρὰ τὸ μὴ ἀποθνῄσκειν ἰδίως λεγόμενον ἀθάνατον. κατὰ ποῖον οὖν σημαινόμενον διαστελλόμενος φήσει ὕλης ἔκγονον οὐδὲν ἀθάνατον; καὶ ὁρᾷς ὅτι πιεζόμενα αὐτὰ καὶ βασανιζόμενα τὰ ἐν τοῖς γράμμασι νοήματα διελέγχεται οὐκ ἐπιδεχόμενα τὸ γενναῖον καὶ ἀναντίῤῥητον. εἰπὼν δὲ ταῦτʼ ἐπιφέρει ὅτι τοῦδε μὲν πέρι ἀπόχρη τοσαῦτα· καὶ εἴ τις ἐπὶ πλεῖον ἀκούειν δύναιτο καὶ ζητεῖν. εἴσεται. ἴδωμεν οὖν ἡμεῖς οἱ κατʼ αὐτὸν ἀνόητοι, τί ἠκολούθησε τῷ κἂν ἐπʼ ὀλίγον ἡμᾶς αὐτοῦ ἀκούειν δυνηθῆναι καὶ ζητεῖν.
English · Claude translation
He says also: “Nothing born of matter is immortal.” To this it will be said that if nothing born of matter is immortal, either the whole world is immortal and not as born of matter, or it too is not an immortal thing. If, then, the world is immortal, as is held even by those who said that only the soul is the work of God and say that it came from a certain mixing bowl, let Celsus show that it did not come from matter without qualities, if he keeps to “nothing born of matter is immortal.” But if, since the world is born of matter, it is not immortal, the world is mortal: is it then also perishing, or not? If perishing, it will perish as the work of God; then, in the perishing of the world, what will the soul, the work of God, do? Let Celsus say. But if, twisting the notion of the immortal, he says that it is immortal in the sense of being perishable but not perishing, as capable of death but not actually dying, clearly there will be something, according to him, both mortal and immortal at once, by being capable of both; and it will be a mortal thing that does not die, and what is not immortal by nature will be called immortal in a special sense because it does not die. In what distinct sense, then, will he say, “Nothing born of matter is immortal”? You see that the thoughts in his writings, when pressed and examined, are refuted, not admitting what is noble and incontestable. Having said these things, he adds: “On this subject so much is enough; and if anyone is able to hear and inquire further, he will know.” Let us then, whom he considers foolish, see what has followed from our being able to hear him and inquire even a little.
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- The “mixing bowl” is Plato, Timaeus 41d; Timaeus 41a–b says the created gods are not immortal by nature but will not be dissolved, which Origen presses here.
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Origen, Cels. 4.61 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/61/).
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Origen, Cels. 4.61 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/61/).
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