A Plea for the Christians 19

Summary: Gods that came into being must perish; neither water nor matter can be the origin of all things, for the Maker must precede what is made.

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Greek text · Otto 7:88–90

Αὕτη ἀρχὴ γενέσεως περὶ τοὺς κατʼ αὐτοὺς θεούς τε καὶ τὸ πᾶν. Τί ἐκεῖνο τοίνυν; Ἕκαστον γὰρ τῶν τεθεολογημένων ὡς τὴν ἀρχὴν ὂν νοεῖται. Εἰ γὰρ γεγόνασιν οὐκ ὄντες, ὡς οἱ περὶ αὐτῶν θεολογοῦντες λέγουσιν, οὐκ εἰσίν. Ἢ γὰρ ἀγένητόν τι καὶ ἔστιν ἀΐδιον, ἢ γενητὸν καὶ φθαρτόν ἐστι. Καὶ οὐκ ἐγὼ μὲν οὕτως, ἑτέρως δὲ οἱ φιλόσοφοι. Τί τὸ ὂν ἀεί, γένεσίν τε οὐκ ἔχον, ἢ τί τὸ γενόμενον μέν, ὂν δὲ οὐδέποτε; Περὶ νοητοῦ καὶ αἰσθητοῦ διαλεγόμενος ὁ Πλάτων τὸ μὲν ἀεὶ ὄν, τὸ νοητόν, ἀγένητον εἶναι διδάσκει, τὸ δὲ οὐκ ὄν, τὸ αἰσθητόν, γενητόν, ἀρχόμενον εἶναι καὶ παυόμενον. Τούτῳ καὶ οἱ ἀπὸ τῆς στοᾶς τῷ λόγῳ ἐκπυρωθήσεσθαι τὰ πάντα καὶ πάλιν ἔσεσθαί φασιν, ἑτέραν ἀρχὴν τοῦ κόσμου λαβόντος. Εἰ δέ, καίτοι δισσοῦ αἰτίου κατʼ αὐτοὺς ὄντος, τοῦ μὲν δραστηρίου καὶ καταρχομένου, καθὸ ἡ πρόνοια, τοῦ δὲ πάσχοντος καὶ τρεπομένου, καθὸ ἡ ὕλη, ἀδύνατον δέ ἐστι καὶ προνοούμενον ἐπὶ ταὐτοῦ μεῖναι τὸν κόσμον γενόμενον, πῶς ἡ τούτων μένει σύστασις, οὐ φύσει ὄντων ἀλλὰ γενομένων; Τί δὲ τῆς ὕλης κρείττους οἱ θεοί, τὴν σύστασιν ἐξ ὕδατος ἔχοντες; Ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ κατʼ αὐτοὺς ὕδωρ τοῖς πᾶσιν ἀρχή. Ἔκ τε ἁπλῶν καὶ μονοειδῶν τί ἂν συστῆναι στοιχείων δύναιτο; Δεῖ δὲ καὶ τῇ ὕλῃ τεχνίτου καὶ ὕλης τῷ τεχνίτῃ. Ἢ πῶς ἂν γένοιτο τὰ ἐκτυπώματα χωρὶς τῆς ὕλης ἢ τοῦ τεχνίτου; Οὔτε πρεσβυτέραν λόγον ἔχει εἶναι τὴν ὕλην τοῦ θεοῦ· τὸ γὰρ ποιητικὸν αἴτιον προκατάρχειν τῶν γινομένων ἀνάγκη.

English · Claude translation

This is how, according to them, the generation of their gods and of the universe began. What follows, then? Each of the beings they have made into gods is thought of as having a beginning. And if they came into being, not having existed before, as those who tell of the gods say, then they are not gods. For a thing is either uncreated and eternal, or created and perishable. And this is not just my view, while the philosophers think otherwise: “What is it that always is and has no becoming, and what is it that comes to be but never is?” Plato, discussing the intelligible and the perceptible, teaches that what always is, the intelligible, is uncreated, while what is not, the perceptible, is created, beginning to be and ceasing to be. In line with this reasoning the Stoics too say that all things will be consumed by fire and will exist again, the world taking another beginning. But according to them there is a twofold cause: one active and initiating, namely providence, the other passive and changeable, namely matter; and it is impossible for the world, even under providence, to remain as it is, since it came into being. If so, how can the constitution of these gods remain, when they do not exist by nature but came into being? And how are the gods better than matter, when they derive their constitution from water? Yet not even according to them is water the beginning of all things. For what could be constituted from simple elements of a single kind? Matter needs a craftsman, and the craftsman needs matter. Or how could figures be shaped without matter or without a craftsman? Nor is it reasonable that matter should be older than God; for the efficient cause must come before the things that come into being.

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Otto 7:88–90 · Johann Carl Theodor Otto, ed., Athenagorae philosophi Atheniensis opera, Corpus apologetarum Christianorum saeculi secundi 7 (Jena: Mauke, 1857) · Greek text: J. C. T. Otto, Athenagorae philosophi Atheniensis opera (Corpus apologetarum Christianorum saeculi secundi 7, 1857), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Otto, CorpApol 7. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-26 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Otto (1857); made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Tim. 27d (Plato (works)) · quotation, high confidence

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotation is Plato, Timaeus 27d–28a.
  • “Is thought of as having a beginning” renders a phrase that is awkward in the Greek (ὡς τὴν ἀρχὴν ὂν νοεῖται).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (accent: grave on ἂν before a following word; accent: grave on ὂν before a following word; misprint: φθατόν for φθαρτόν (“perishable”)): ὡς τὴν ἀρχὴν ὄν νοεῖται → ὡς τὴν ἀρχὴν ὂν νοεῖται; γενητὸν καὶ φθατόν → γενητὸν καὶ φθαρτόν; τί ἄν συστῆναι → τί ἂν συστῆναι.

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Athenagoras, Leg. 19 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athenagoras-legatio/19/).

Plain text
Athenagoras, Leg. 19 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athenagoras-legatio/19/).

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